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  • Start date Oct 9, 2014
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Otis

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #36
torchomatic said:
Maybe Nick can create a special 180 Club for them?
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180 for combined IQ?
 
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Houdi

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #37
Otis said:
We can't survive financially here. Certainly not on crowds of under 8,000.

Should Sisu adapt and change and move us?
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Well our crowds are down to under 8,000 ,because as most fans accept because of the awful mismanagement of the club by SISU. Even they have admitted making huge mistakes. Thousand of fans have voted with their feet already haven't they. As for moving us, well for the last 18 months isn't that what they have continually promised us.
It is SISU who have told us they have moved on, isn't it now Fisher's sole remit the new stadiumointlaugh:, they seemingly don't seem that concerned by Wasp's purchase of ACL. If sufficient people in Coventry back the Wasp's move, then they will survive, if they don't then their move will have proved to be a disaster on every level.
 

Neutral Fan

Member
  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #38
Otis said:
Wonder what happened way back when, when this MK Dons thing happened.

Were there any protests from within Milton Keynes to the proposal? Did MK already have local football teams that suffered as a result? I'm sure they must have.


Wonder if there was any opposition their end or whether they just embraced it.
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The Frannies embraced it. WFC fans were gutted but restarted their club from Division 9.

MK Dons fans still take the piss out of AFC supporters today. Not a club you should take 7000 away fans to IMO.
 

Otis

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #39
Neutral Fan said:
The Frannies embraced it. WFC fans were gutted but restarted their club from Division 9.

MK Dons fans still take the piss out of AFC supporters today. Not a club you should take 7000 away fans to IMO.
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Agree. I would never set foot in there.
 

Otis

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #40
Otis said:
Agree. I would never set foot in there.
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Though now we are a franchise city and have embraced Wasps, maybe we can all go to MK with a clear concience.
 

Hobo

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #41
Otis said:
Though now we are a franchise city and have embraced Wasps, maybe we can all go to MK with a clear concience.
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But isn't any gathering of Sky Blues fans away from home more than 2,000 or at home more than 10,000, classed as not genuine fans? Are these extra numbers franchise fans? Perhaps now the city is sucking up to franchising some of this occasional extra support will be more welcome?
 

Otis

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #42
Hobo said:
But isn't any gathering of Sky Blues fans away from home more than 2,000 or at home more than 10,000, classed as not genuine fans? Are these extra numbers franchise fans? Perhaps now the city is sucking up to franchising some of this occasional extra support will be more welcome?
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No blacks, no dogs, no Irish.

Everyone else welcome.
 

Otis

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #43
Or maybe that should read.. ..


No All Blacks No dogs No London Irish.
 

Hobo

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #44
Otis said:
Or maybe that should read.. ..


No All Blacks No dogs No London Irish.
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Dont forget Coventry Welsh...(unless they have Wasps Academy players)
 
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Houdi

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #45
lordsummerisle said:
Hey, that's business Otis.

Seems a huge groundswell of support for that concept from people who have been previously against such an idea.
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Not from me you haven't. My wish has always been for the Ricoh Arena Leasehold to be owned 100% by CCFC for the total benefit of just CCFC.My only connection to Wasps was when I travelled down to their ground earlier in the season to support CCFC against their landlords.
I can understand what Wasps have done from their point of view,doesn't mean I support it though. My only support has and always has been for CCFC. But if Wasps are losing huge sums of money year on year, with no likely prospect of that changing in the short to medium term, and they simply can't find any new ground in London, then I can understand why they have moved here. But to be absolutely clear the only Rugby club I care for are the one who play at the Butts Park arena.
 

Otis

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #46
Hobo said:
Dont forget Coventry Welsh...(unless they have Wasps Academy players)
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How come there's a Cov Welsh, a London Irish, London Scottish and all we have is Johnny English?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #47
Houdi said:
Not from me you haven't. My wish has always been for the Ricoh Arena Leasehold to be owned 100% by CCFC for the total benefit of just CCFC.My only connection to Wasps was when I travelled down to their ground earlier in the season to support CCFC against their landlords.
I can understand what Wasps have done from their point of view,doesn't mean I support it though. My only support has and always has been for CCFC. But if Wasps are losing huge sums of money year on year, with no likely prospect of that changing in the short to medium term, and they simply can't find any new ground in London, then I can understand why they have moved here. But to be absolutely clear the only Rugby club I care for are the one who play at the Butts Park arena.
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Ah ,you mean their Landlords Landlords.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #48
Houdi said:
I can understand what SISU have done from their point of view,doesn't mean I support it though. My only support has and always has been for ACL. But if SISU are losing huge sums of money year on year, with no likely prospect of that changing in the short to medium term, and they simply can't find any new ground in Coventry, then I can understand why they have moved to Northampton. .
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Just changing a few words puts a whole new perspective on it, the change of words shouldn't affect your sentiment or core arguments though.

Should it?
 
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Houdi

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #49
lordsummerisle said:
Just changing a few words puts a whole new perspective on it, the change of words shouldn't affect your sentiment or core arguments though.

Should it?
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Yes if you ignore the fact SISU had many years to properly negotiate a deal to buy ACL at a fair price, or you totally disregard what a High Court Judge said about SISU in their failed JR case.
 

Hobo

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #50
Otis said:
How come there's a Cov Welsh, a London Irish, London Scottish and all we have is Johnny English?
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I am led to believe north of here there are, what is refered to as Sasanachs...a despicable bunch apparently.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #51
Houdi said:
Yes if you ignore the fact SISU had many years to properly negotiate a deal to buy ACL at a fair price, or you totally disregard what a High Court Judge said about SISU in their failed JR case.
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Wasps got shafted by previous owners and sold their own ground for housing, they then had to rent another ground unsuitable for them that has lead to heavy losses, and have had to now move miles from their fanbase.

Glad nothing like that could ever happen to us!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #52
It is amazing how franchising is so common and well taken now?
 
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Houdi

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #53
lordsummerisle said:
Wasps got shafted by previous owners and sold their own ground for housing, they then had to rent another ground unsuitable for them that has lead to heavy losses, and have had to now move miles from their fanbase.

Glad nothing like that could ever happen to us!
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Again conveniently ignoring what an independent High Court Judge said, after hearing evidence from both sides. Plus Wasps were originally called London Wasps, never the High Wycombe Wasps, they have already moved from their original London home. I presume Wasps would much prefer to be playing in London, as I presume so would London Irish and Saracens?.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #54
Houdi said:
Again conveniently ignoring what an independent High Court Judge said, after hearing evidence from both sides. Plus Wasps were originally called London Wasps, never the High Wycombe Wasps, they have already moved from their original London home. I presume Wasps would much prefer to be playing in London, as I presume so would London Irish and Saracens?.
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Conveniently forgetting we had been a professional football club for over a 100 years without going bust, but effectively gone bust twice since moving into the Ricoh Arena, the first time bringing the Sisu shysters in in the first place.

Surely in your "it's only business" case, Sisu would be justified taking Coventry City Football Club anywhere that we could make money as a business.

Sure, we were originally called Coventry City, never Coventry/Northampton City, we'd originally moved from our original Coventry home. I can assume that we'd much prefer playing Coventry, but the Sky Blue Dubliners much moree secure as a business.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #55
lordsummerisle said:
Conveniently forgetting we had been a professional football club for over a 100 years without going bust, but effectively gone bust twice since moving into the Ricoh Arena, the first time bringing the Sisu shysters in in the first place.

Surely in your "it's only business" case, Sisu would be justified taking Coventry City Football Club anywhere that we could make money as a business.

Sure, we were originally called Coventry City, never Coventry/Northampton City, we'd originally moved from our original Coventry home. I can assume that we'd much prefer playing Coventry, but the Sky Blue Dubliners much moree secure as a business.
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You forgot to use the latest "buzz" word of Ambition, you can do whatever you want now as long as you say ambition.
 
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Houdi

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #56
lordsummerisle said:
Conveniently forgetting we had been a professional football club for over a 100 years without going bust, but effectively gone bust twice since moving into the Ricoh Arena, the first time bringing the Sisu shysters in in the first place.

Surely in your "it's only business" case, Sisu would be justified taking Coventry City Football Club anywhere that we could make money as a business.

Sure, we were originally called Coventry City, never Coventry/Northampton City, we'd originally moved from our original Coventry home. I can assume that we'd much prefer playing Coventry, but the Sky Blue Dubliners much moree secure as a business.
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Except SISU moved us to Northampton for the sole intention of trying to distress ACL,and ending up having to come back with their tails between their legs. Sports other than football struggle to survive in London,that is why so many Rugby clubs have moved out, unless you now consider places like Watford and Reading as part of London.
There was an ice hockey teamt in the super league in the 1990's,it collapsed, when the Elite league was formed a new team emerged the London Racers, again it got poor gates, lost money and eventually folded. Perhaps you could have stepped in a subsidised its losses for the community benefit. Go back to the pre war years and there were loads of London speedway teams, Wembley ,Wimbledon ,West Ham ,New Cross,Hackney,White City that I've heard of. Now there is none left and there hasn't been for about 20 years, all those people all that money and yet non football sports all seem to struggle.
Its very easy to be all moralistic, when you don't have to write the cheques at the end of the month.
Joy has already told us she only cares for her family and investors, and cares very little for CCFC. Wasps seemingly were able to come an agreement with ACL/CCC pretty easily, why couldn't SISU,then we wouldn't need to be discussing this car crash situation.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #57
Houdi said:
Its very easy to be all moralistic, when you don't have to write the cheques at the end of the month.
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You show more and more sympathy for Sisu by the post.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #58
Houdi said:
Except SISU moved us to Northampton for the sole intention of trying to distress ACL
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Just business though wasn't it?
 

Hobo

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  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #59
Nick said:
You forgot to use the latest "buzz" word of Ambition, you can do whatever you want now as long as you say ambition.
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you mean like "state aid" was a buzz phrase?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #60
Hobo said:
you mean like "state aid" was a buzz phrase?
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lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #61
Hobo said:
you mean like "state aid" was a buzz phrase?
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Don't forget "Community Asset", "Local Childrens Charity", and "Respected High Court Judge".
 
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Houdi

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #62
lordsummerisle said:
You show more and more sympathy for Sisu by the post.
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The difference between Wasps and SIsu is clear.
Wasps were presumably making big losses year on year, and to survive long term had to move. From what has been said they have been trying to find a new ground for years and i would imagine in London was there preferred choice. For whatever reason they haven't been able to find anywhere that they believe would be viable,in the London area. Without knowing all the details,I presume they believe the Ricoh is their best option of keeping the club afloat long term.
Again whilst I don't want Wasps at the Ricoh, I can understand why they have done what they have done. Basically it came down to move or die.
Whereas SISU have had 7 years to buy at least a part in the Ricoh, but instead have wasted millions in pointless court battles, antagonised the entire fan base, lost thousands of fans many probably for good. If they had an ounce of common sense, they should be moving heaven and earth to even at this late stage try and buy the Higgs share, and at least salvage something out of this mess.
If they were to announce they wanted to buy the Higgs share for the agreed amount, I believe most fans despite their natural loathing of them, would support them, and that pressure may just 'persuade' Higgs to sell to the owners of the club for a part in the stadium whom it was built for.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #63
Houdi said:
The difference between Wasps and SIsu is clear.
Wasps were presumably making big losses year on year, and to survive long term had to move. From what has been said they have been trying to find a new ground for years and i would imagine in London was there preferred choice. For whatever reason they haven't been able to find anywhere that they believe would be viable,in the London area. Without knowing all the details,I presume they believe the Ricoh is their best option of keeping the club afloat long term.
Again whilst I don't want Wasps at the Ricoh, I can understand why they have done what they have done. Basically it came down to move or die.
Whereas SISU have had 7 years to buy at least a part in the Ricoh, but instead have wasted millions in pointless court battles, antagonised the entire fan base, lost thousands of fans many probably for good. If they had an ounce of common sense, they should be moving heaven and earth to even at this late stage try and buy the Higgs share, and at least salvage something out of this mess.
If they were to announce they wanted to buy the Higgs share for the agreed amount, I believe most fans despite their natural loathing of them, would support them, and that pressure may just 'persuade' Higgs to sell to the owners of the club for a part in the stadium whom it was built for.
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Aren't Higgs actually looking to get less money that Sisu offered them in the first place for their share?

To be honest, even if the the club got the Higgs share, would still not be happy with the Wasps franchising part of it anyway.
 
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Houdi

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 9, 2014
  • #64
lordsummerisle said:
Aren't Higgs actually looking to get less money that Sisu offered them in the first place for their share?

To be honest, even if the the club got the Higgs share, would still not be happy with the Wasps franchising part of it anyway.
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I doubt if many fans are happy with Wasps owning or even part owning what should be our club's ground. But what is done is done, I just pray they at least make an effort to buy what was always supposed to be the clubs. Wasps will need a lot of goodwill from the Coventry public if they want to attract new fans, not allowing the City's football club at least a half share of the ground, wouldn't be the best of starts.
SISU may not be popular but you would hope CCFC is far more popular than Wasps Rugby Club at least in this City.
 
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