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Wasps billing CCFC for pitch repairs after Wycombe game (1 Viewer)

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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #351
Captain Dart said:
Q: Which headline is more accurate?
Reid : REVEALED: Wasps' Ricoh Arena charges Coventry City for pitch repairs due to fans' Wembley celebration
Gilbert: Coventry City asked to help pay Ricoh Arena repair costs after semi-final pitch invasion
A: The 2nd one.


Either way there is no way additional charges make sense, Rugby games do 80%+ of the damage, far more than a footie game & that pitch invasion minimal damage.

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How do you know which is more accurate?

It's interesting you join the thread again too!
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #352
italiahorse said:
You probably missed this ....
Evidently no invoice has been sent although a conversation did take place.
Wasps did comment on wanting us to stay and make it our home.
A position they say has not changed since we came back.
They also commented that our latest accounts say we are looking elsewhere.

The bigger issue here is TF/CCFC saying we are moving and Wasps taking it onboard.
We've been here before where we make a statement that we don't really mean but unfortunately decisions are made using this as the reasoning.
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Wasps refused to comment didn't they?
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #353
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I'm not sure why there are people on a Coventry City forum defending Wasps.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I'm not sure why there are people on a Coventry City forum defending Wasps.


Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I'm not sure why there are people on a Coventry City forum defending Wasps.

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It's more like putting reasoning into it so as SISU/CCFC/we don't cause a barrier with Wasps that they use to throw us out.
We 'need' to get a medium term deal with Wasps in the next 12 months so we can have somewhere to play, whether we really do build a new stadium or not.
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #354
Odd that its in the Telegraph when people on this thread have been suggesting it was something made up by Reid.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #355
Nick said:
Wasps refused to comment didn't they?
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Evidently they did. But so have CCFC as I see it.
The Observer says we have been charged and the CET say we have not been invoiced.
Have we been charged or not ?
Storm in a teacup that Les Reid is using for his own political gain.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #356
italiahorse said:
Evidently no invoice has been sent although a conversation did take place.
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Hang on, you've repeatedly stated on this thread it was all made up by Reid, now you're saying a conversation did take place.
italiahorse said:
Wasps did comment on wanting us to stay and make it our home.
A position they say has not changed since we came back.
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What the article actually says is "In relation to a possible extension of the Ricoh Arena deal, Wasps said earlier this month: “Our position remains unchanged and we have not been approached to re-open discussions since they stalled last year."". Their position at that point was that they were refusing to talk to the club.
italiahorse said:
The bigger issue here is TF/CCFC saying we are moving and Wasps taking it onboard.
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Rubbish. Even if they do genuinely believe Fisher is working on a new stadium they will now perfectly well we'd be looking at a timeframe of 5 - 10 years so why the refusal to engage in talks?
 
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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #357
chiefdave said:
Odd that its in the Telegraph when people on this thread have been suggesting it was something made up by Reid.
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The devil is in the detail which we don't have.
Have we been charged or not ?
Observer says 'Charged' and Telegraph says 'Not Billed'.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #358
italiahorse said:
The devil is in the detail which we don't have.
Have we been charged or not ?
Observer says 'Charged' and Telegraph says 'Not Billed'.
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Observer said:
The Coventry Observer has learned Ricoh Arena managing director Andy Gibb contacted the football club after the Sky Blues’ Checkatrade Trophy semi-final against Wycombe Wanderers on February 7.
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Telegraph said:
Coventry City have been asked about covering some of the cost of Ricoh Arena pitch repairs after supporters invaded the playing surface when the club secured its first trip to Wembley in 30 years.
Hundreds of Sky Blues fans ran onto the Ricoh Arena pitch after CCFC defeated Wycombe Wanderers 2-1 in the semi-final of the Checkatrade Trophy.
Following the incident, in February, it is understood Ricoh Arena bosses claimed damage had been caused to the playing surface as a result of fans’ celebrations.
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Seem pretty similar to me.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #359
chiefdave said:
Hang on, you've repeatedly stated on this thread it was all made up by Reid, now you're saying a conversation did take place.

What the article actually says is "In relation to a possible extension of the Ricoh Arena deal, Wasps said earlier this month: “Our position remains unchanged and we have not been approached to re-open discussions since they stalled last year."". Their position at that point was that they were refusing to talk to the club.

Rubbish. Even if they do genuinely believe Fisher is working on a new stadium they will now perfectly well we'd be looking at a timeframe of 5 - 10 years so why the refusal to engage in talks?
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. Never denied the conversation had taken place. Just asked the question whether we had been charged or not.
. We know we need to do to resume talks. The problem comes if the court case is still going on this time next year.
. Everybody knows Fisher is not realistically working on a new stadium, but it gave CCC/Higgs and CSF the reasoning to 'move on'. If Wasps move on we are fckued.
. Agree with need a medium term deal (stadium or not).
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #360
Given the state of the pitch before hand then I think it a bit (lot) of a cheek. On the other side look at the pictures of the crowd on the pitch and lets not kid ourselves that having that many people on an already muddy damaged wet pitch will not cause additional damage

I just wonder the purpose of making an operational matter such as this public. In the scheme of things we are not talking big numbers, there must have been many things in the past where the parties did not agree and found a way to settle it without it being in the press. So why this and why now. Seems to reflect that the relationship is damaged not just at Board room level.

As for contributing, well if the contract says so don't have much choice if they want to stay a year or more yet, if it is not in the contract tough. Either way the relationship is strained even more than it seems to be already. Does it help create a circumstance to break the rental agreement?

Until there is a viable alternative CCFC have to work with not against the landlords - that doesn't mean that the landlord should be allowed to ride rough shod over CCFC. Question say this wasn't the pitch but that toilet areas or kiosks were damaged do the club have an obligation to pay for that?

Added costs like this do make you question if CCFC can afford to be at the Ricoh in L2 unless the team does very well from the off and people decide to go watch.

At this moment I would tell Wasps to do one, and would have kept it a private matter
 
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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #361
chiefdave said:
Seem pretty similar to me.
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A conversation has obviously taken place but have we been charged or is just normal process for pitch repair costs to be shared as part of the agreement?
Maybe ........
ACL to CCFC..... "Looks like we need to do more on the pitch, are you okay for 50% of the additional lighting costs, as we agreed initially ?"

Observer...... "CCFC charged for pitch invasion"
CET....... "No invoice but conversation did take place"
SBT ........ "World War 3 is imminent"
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #362
italiahorse said:
The devil is in the detail which we don't have.
Have we been charged or not ?
Observer says 'Charged' and Telegraph says 'Not Billed'.
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Bloody hell the lengths you go to defend Wasps, and to disparage Reid and yet defend Gilbert is laughable.

The Telegraph says no invoice has been sent, it didn't say not billed. For all we know the conversation went along the lines of pay up or we will invoice you. It may not have of course but then I can see that there may be a bigger picture.
 
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Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #363
italiahorse said:
A conversation has obviously taken place but have we been charged or is just normal process for pitch repair costs to be shared as part of the agreement?
Maybe ........
ACL to CCFC..... "Looks like we need to do more on the pitch, are you okay for 50% of the additional lighting costs, as we agreed initially ?"

Observer...... "CCFC charged for pitch invasion"
CET....... "No invoice but conversation did take place"
SBT ........ "World War 3 is imminent"
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Why don't you check with your mates at wasps who tipped you off two years ago about it becoming the JLR stadium. They seem to have their finger on the pulse and can supply up to date correct info :smuggrin:
 
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davebart

Active Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #364
Bloody Hell - a thread of 11 pages on some scuffed up turf.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #365
Moff said:
Bloody hell the lengths you go to defend Wasps, and to disparage Reid and yet defend Gilbert is laughable.

The Telegraph says no invoice has been sent, it didn't say not billed. For all we know the conversation went along the lines of pay up or we will invoice you. It may not have of course but then I can see that there may be a bigger picture.
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Doesn't it say "understands" nothing was sent.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #366
Moff said:
Bloody hell the lengths you go to defend Wasps, and to disparage Reid and yet defend Gilbert is laughable.

The Telegraph says no invoice has been sent, it didn't say not billed. For all we know the conversation went along the lines of pay up or we will invoice you. It may not have of course but then I can see that there may be a bigger picture.
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CET "No bill has been sent" ....... means ?
It's all playing with words from both papers but without quotes from Wasps or CCFC it's a storm in a teacup.
Prefer to try and build a relationship with Wasps rather than destroy it or fuel hatred towards them.
After all we need a deal with them within the next 12 Months.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #367
davebart said:
Bloody Hell - a thread of 11 pages on some scuffed up turf.
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It's not really about the turf. It gives everybody the opportunity to vent off against Wasps.
Nothing wrong with that, but we do at some point need to get an agreement with them.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #368
italiahorse said:
It's not really about the turf. It gives everybody the opportunity to vent off against Wasps.
Nothing wrong with that, but we do at some point need to get an agreement with them.
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If they kicked the club out would you still support them?
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #369
Nick said:
How do you know which is more accurate?

It's interesting you join the thread again too!
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Because I can read the 2nd line of Reid's article where he makes a statement that contradicts the implication of his headline & pretty much matches the 2nd headline.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #370
Grendel said:
If they kicked the club out would you still support them?
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Do you think it will ever be termed as "kicking the club out" though? Doubt that!

It will be "It was down to SISU, get a wasps season ticket on offer this year".
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #371
He will support Wasps through anything. He can't say "I know my choice is morally suspect but I like having top class rugby to watch" so he just argues semantics to try and make them look rosy in everything.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #372
Captain Dart said:
Because I can read the 2nd line of Reid's article where he makes a statement that contradicts the implication of the headline & pretty much matches the 2nd headline.
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Depends how you read it, are you reading it as they have charged them as in taken money from CCFC? See your point about the 2 lines though!
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #373
italiahorse said:
CET "No bill has been sent" ....... means ?
It's all playing with words from both papers but without quotes from Wasps or CCFC it's a storm in a teacup.
Prefer to try and build a relationship with Wasps rather than destroy it or fuel hatred towards them.
After all we need a deal with them within the next 12 Months.
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Neither of us know what it means? but then both papers and journalists play on words to suit differing agendas.

Yes I agree we do need to deal with wasps in the next twelve months. Whilst I think Wasps show a degree of arrogance, and certainly seem to have forgotten what it was like to have the shoe on the other foot like when they were the tenants at Wycombe, the JR2 will do no good and the club need to secure another short-term deal at least.
 
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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #374
Grendel said:
If they kicked the club out would you still support them?
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If they kick us out it will because off Sisu.
We need to start to build a relationship so that doesn't happen.

I'll support Wasps from now on regardless as I enjoy watching them.
I have learned that they are here to stay and I can keep the issues separate.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #375
italiahorse said:
If they kick us out it will because off Sisu.
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Sums it up really doesn't it.

That's their whole line. Exactly how they strolled in and took over the academy without an eyebrow raised in their direction.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #376
italiahorse said:
If they kick us out it will because off Sisu.
We need to start to build a relationship so that doesn't happen.

I'll support Wasps from now on regardless as I enjoy watching them.
I have learned that they are here to stay and I can keep the issues separate.
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No they pay you and you don't give a fuck about CCFC anymore
Thanks for the confirmation though
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #377
Liquid Gold said:
He will support Wasps through anything. He can't say "I know my choice is morally suspect but I like having top class rugby to watch" so he just argues semantics to try and make them look rosy in everything.
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Sometimes you have to just enjoy life and worry about things you have control of.
This is just a Sisu battle that I watch and have no say in.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #378
Nick said:
Sums it up really doesn't it.
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Likewise !!
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #379
italiahorse said:
Sometimes you have to just enjoy life and worry about things you have control of.
This is just a Sisu battle that I watch and have no say in.
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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #380
Grendel said:
No they pay you and you don't give a fuck about CCFC anymore
Thanks for the confirmation though
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... as I said I keep business and pleasure separately.
I assume you will be resigning from your position in the Jaguar canteen when the new stadium name comes out ?
When you have done 50 years supporting CCFC come back and talk to me !!
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #381
italiahorse said:
Sometimes you have to just enjoy life and worry about things you have control of.
This is just a Sisu battle that I watch and have no say in.
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Liquid Gold said:
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Are you saying Sisu are listening to me ?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #382
italiahorse said:
When you have done 50 years supporting CCFC come back and talk to me !!
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Why do people try and use that line? Why is it usually the older people who act like dicks about it?

You never see the "I've been supporting CCFC for 10 years".

50 years or 5 years, what does it change?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #383
Grendel said:
If they kicked the club out would you still support them?
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Nick said:
Do you think it will ever be termed as "kicking the club out" though? Doubt that!
It will be "It was down to SISU, get a wasps season ticket on offer this year".
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italiahorse said:
If they kick us out it will because off Sisu.
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:emoji_joy::emoji_joy::emoji_joy:
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #384
Nick said:
Why do people try and use that line? Why is it usually the older people who act like dicks about it?

You never see the "I've been supporting CCFC for 10 years".

50 years or 5 years, what does it change?
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50 years is a long time to support and I'm proud of it.
Your a Dick if you put it down like Grendel.



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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 9, 2017
  • #385
italiahorse said:
50 years is a long time to support and I'm proud of it.
Your a Dick if you put it down like Grendel.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I didn't put it down, I said why do people often try to bring that into it? See blueflint also trying that line the other week.
 
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