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Was this Coventry City's worst ever transfer window? (2 Viewers)

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  • Start date Nov 21, 2018
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covcity4life

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #106
steve82 said:
I think that’s the point we all wanted a experienced manager in TM to adapt or be honest and walk away sooner.
He opted to stay but then not maximise the budget adapting, playing a way the type of players he sign can. And let’s be honest he had a blank canvas to try and shape something.

Managers generally have a favoured system and a back up system. So for me he I believe he could of adapted especially given the era he played as a player he could of mustered up a traditional set up side fit for the demands of a season


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well he didnt lose many games before he left, so like i said we would have been ok had he stayed. i am annoyed at him for leaving
 
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better days

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #107
Has anyone mentioned that they bought Jones during that window?
He was previously only on loan
 

steve82

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #108
covcity4life said:
well he didnt lose many games before he left, so like i said we would have been ok had he stayed. i am annoyed at him for leaving
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Problem was no wins in 10. Only 12 goals conceded at that point but only 6 scored, only 6 points on the board. I’m not so confident we’d of stayed up still.

After all TM said let’s see where we are after 10 games.
Bottom is the answer.

Some interesting quotes tho from his departure
"We knew what the budget was but we didn't get our targets”

"They're babies in a man's league”

“I probably let them down by not getting in the big 6ft 4in centre-half we were after, who could have been a man and help us keep clean sheets”


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covcity4life

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #109
steve82 said:
Problem was no wins in 10. Only 12 goals conceded at that point but only 6 scored, only 6 points on the board. I’m not so confident we’d of stayed up still.

After all TM said let’s see where we are after 10 games.
Bottom is the answer.

Some interesting quotes tho from his departure
"We knew what the budget was but we didn't get our targets”

"They're babies in a man's league”

“I probably let them down by not getting in the big 6ft 4in centre-half we were after, who could have been a man and help us keep clean sheets”


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yeah but we were not far from being out of bottom 3 pts wise, also his last game we scored injury time equaliser, he had not lost dressing room or anything

hes been honest about not getting his targets(1 of which was a big man defender?) but it seems apparent if he could go back and do it again he would do it differently no doubt.
 
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steve82

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #110
covcity4life said:
yeah but we were not far from being out of bottom 3 pts wise, also his last game we scored injury time equaliser, he had not lost dressing room or anything

hes been honest about not getting his targets(1 of which was a big man defender?) but it seems apparent if he could go back and do it again he would do it differently no doubt.
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Oh no without doubt he’d not lost the dressing room at all, it’s just that dressing room wasn’t up to the requirements of a season as we seen at charlton and Southend not long after.

My other issue is the belief that defender was Kelvin Wilson. A man with a worse appearance rate than that of the outgoing Reda Johnson.

Dice were rolled that summer.

I will say one thing tho as we could bang on about this forever and ever... You conducted a decent debate and spoke well for a change.
Fair play.


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covcity4life

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #111
steve82 said:
Oh no without doubt he’d not lost the dressing room at all, it’s just that dressing room wasn’t up to the requirements of a season as we seen at charlton and Southend not long after.

My other issue is the belief that defender was Kelvin Wilson. A man with a worse appearance rate than that of the outgoing Reda Johnson.

Dice were rolled that summer.

I will say one thing tho as we could bang on about this forever and ever... You conducted a decent debate and spoke well for a change.
Fair play.


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nice backhanded comment lol

and yeah i agree we going round in circles

to summarise i take your point that budget wasnt used as well as it could have been and no real plan b when targets were lost. my personal opinion is budget slashing through off plan a big time and thats a real shame for the football club as we could be where blackburn are now. i dont beleive it was a squad worthy of relegation either and think TM would have got us mid table personally,also annoyed he left the job early.

that said we had our own success since(and so has he which shuts down talk of him being a poor manager) and long may that continue. i will remember tm fondly however.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #112
covcity4life said:
agree, would love to see current cov team play like mowbrays!
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What losing and scoring no goals?
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #113
Grendel said:
What losing and scoring no goals?
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funnily enough no, more like the winning and scoring lots of goals that we got in his first full season
 

Joy Division

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #114
covcity4life said:
funnily enough no, more like the winning and scoring lots of goals that we got in his first full season
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I take it you didn't turn up for the second half of that season then.
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #115
sayoud was for development side. no different to dexter walters or westbrooke? tad harsh

Vladimir Gadzhev - now plays in bulgraia domestic league, agree a fail
Jodi Jones - yes agree mowbray helped us get promoted from league 2 as well as checkatrade trophy win
Kwame Thomas - unlucky with injury but now at solihool moors-agree a fail
Marvin Sordell - went to championship after us so noway a fail,slade the idiot got rid of him. but at least beavon did ok in checkatrade run
Jordan Ponticelli-the chosen one for many cov fans,mowbray still looking after us even now!
Kyel Reid - assist for g thomas in checkatrade final, an assist up there with dave bennetts
jordan Turnbull - acrobatic clearence in checkatrade cup final will live long in the memory. good times
Gaël Bigirimana - good player wrongly booed by uneducated fans. scored in final and went to motherwell in SPL which is not a step down. a good signing.
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #116
Joy Division said:
I take it you didn't turn up for the second half of that season then.
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oh i did, we won for 4 from final 5

final 5 tend to be in 2nd half of season

i win.......again

let me and steve debate,we only adults here
 

Joy Division

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #117
Fail Martin Lorentzson
Fail Andy Rose
Fail Peter Ramage
Fail Joe Cole
Fail Stephen Hunt
Fail Darius Henderson
Fail Kyle Spence
Fail Bilal Sayoud
Fail Vladimir Gadzhev
Success! Jodi Jones
Fail Kwame Thomas
okay Marvin Sordell
unknown Jordan Ponticelli
Fail Kyel Reid
Fail Jordan Turnbull
Fail Gaël Bigirimana

Yes, I'd agree it was a terrible transfer window.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #118
covcity4life said:
funnily enough no, more like the winning and scoring lots of goals that we got in his first full season
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From February to April after the Bury game we won 1 in 10 and other than the anomaly of April we had been in relegation form since December
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #119
yeah like i said we won 4 out of final 5,thats 2nd half of season

#facts
 

Joy Division

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #120
covcity4life said:
final 5 tend to be in 2nd half of season
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I think you forgot January to April, when the season was thrown away.
 

steve82

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #121
covcity4life said:
nice backhanded comment lol

and yeah i agree we going round in circles

to summarise i take your point that budget wasnt used as well as it could have been and no real plan b when targets were lost. my personal opinion is budget slashing through off plan a big time and thats a real shame for the football club as we could be where blackburn are now. i dont beleive it was a squad worthy of relegation either and think TM would have got us mid table personally,also annoyed he left the job early.

that said we had our own success since(and so has he which shuts down talk of him being a poor manager) and long may that continue. i will remember tm fondly however.
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No backhand comment, was serious. You was dignified in a subject you’ve nailed your support to over the years.

*edit in reply to me anyway


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Grendel

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #122
covcity4life said:
yeah like i said we won 4 out of final 5,thats 2nd half of season

#facts
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In the last 28 games of that season how many points do you think we accumulated - included the 12 in the last 15?
 

Joy Division

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #123
covcity4life said:
yeah like i said we won 4 out of final 5,thats 2nd half of season

#facts
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So in a 46 game season, the second half is only the last 5 games? #fakenews
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #124
no its not only, but i said winning and scoring goals like in his full season. you agree did did that right? you isolated it to 2nd half of season and i have given you an example of winning and scoring in that time

also season wasnt thrown away as we were chasing the playoff pack till penultimate game iirc

you need to stop lying, i know you are desperate to beat me in debate one day but come on. show some honour
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #125
steve82 said:
No backhand comment, was serious. You was dignified in a subject you’ve nailed your support to over the years.

*edit in reply to me anyway


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hehehe i am not perfect pal
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #126
covcity4life said:
no its not only, but i said winning and scoring goals like in his full season. you agree did did that right? you isolated it to 2nd half of season and i have given you an example of winning and scoring in that time

also season wasnt thrown away as we were chasing the playoff pack till penultimate game iirc

you need to stop lying, i know you are desperate to beat me in debate one day but come on. show some honour
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How many points in 28 games?
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #127
Grendel said:
How many points in 28 games?
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has nothing to do with what i said so no need to answer. you are trying to change the argument

lets clarify

i said i would like to see current team play like mowbrays
you said what not score and lose? i will accept it was a honest question
i gave you the answer that i had surprisingly chosen the goals and winning mowbray team
joy assumed i had not seen 2nd half of season that year
i advised him i had and pointed out a time period in 2nd half of season we scored and won

get it now? you guys asked questions relevant to my original statement and i have answered them in full. you have nowhere else to go now with this one.

 

Joy Division

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #128
covcity4life said:
no its not only, but i said winning and scoring goals like in his full season. you agree did did that right? you isolated it to 2nd half of season and i have given you an example of winning and scoring in that time

also season wasnt thrown away as we were chasing the playoff pack till penultimate game iirc

you need to stop lying, i know you are desperate to beat me in debate one day but come on. show some honour
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We finished 5 points outside the play-offs after being top of the league at the end of November, it may be for you but that is not success in my eyes. I'd rather promotion.

7 teams in the league scored more goals than us that season.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #128
covcity4life said:
has nothing to do with what i said so no need to answer. you are trying to change the argument

lets clarify

i said i would like to see current team play like mowbrays
you said what not score and lose? i will accept it was a honest question
i gave you the answer that i had surprisingly chosen the goals and winning mowbray team
joy assumed i had not seen 2nd half of season that year
i advised him i had and pointed out a time we scored and won

get it now? you guys asked questions relevant to my original statement and i have answered them in full. you have nowhere else to go now with this one.

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Well let me help you out.

Oh and its not the second half as its 28 games

We got 32 points in those 28 games.

If you add the next 10 games to the total its 34 points from 38 games - oddly the same points per game ratio as a certain Mr Slade

Your argument is stupid as it fails to show the steep decline in his tenure. Iain Dowie by your argument was a fantastic manager. He had a win ratio of 40% and at the start of his reign was over 60% with goals being scored for fun. It exploded and the end of his reign was diabolical as was Mowbrays. Over nearly a season of games he averaged less than one point a game

Is less than one point a game a sign of a good manager over 38 games?
 

steve82

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #129
covcity4life said:
hehehe i am not perfect pal
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Please can I keep this for the future, pretty please! ;-)


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covcity4life

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #130
steve82 said:
Please can I keep this for the future, pretty please! ;-)


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Lol never claimed to be perfect. Just smarter than posters on here that are desperate to out do me!
 

Covstu

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #131
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
There's no way you can say Mowbray wasn't responsible. He was the one that started the chain of events that led to our relegation.

I really don't understand why people blindly defend him for absolutely everything. Using your political analogy, it's like supporting one party and refusing to criticise them even when they make bonehead decisions, then attacking other parties for every move they make, regardless of what they actually are.
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I think you only need to read the EU thread to demonstrate your latter point but moving back to the topic, it was the man in charge ŵho was serving absolute drivel week in week out that sent us down. You win 3 in 16 games and you deserve to be sacked.

Not saying TM isn’t part of this problem (as previous post stated) but we brought in an inept manager who shouldn’t have been there in the first place
 
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