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Was our success due to Robins or was it actually Vivash? (1 Viewer)

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Evo1883

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #36
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
The solution to whether that may be correct is how Robins gets on in his next role (presumably without Viveash), hopefully with a patient Board. If he only ever achieves L1 mediocrity, we might have a better idea.
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How robins does elsewhere doesn't mean anything in relation to wether he was a good manager here .
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #37
skybluecam said:
From Robins interview with the CT a while ago.

If you’re Doug and reading that you’d be a bit worried when both Lawrence and Viveash left wouldn’t you.
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I'd be even more worried if Lawrence, Vivesh, Robins and Boddy left!! But at least we still have Alec Williams - we should build the team around him!
 

Nick

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #38
The watchmaker said:
I'd be even more worried if Lawrence, Vivesh, Robins and Boddy left!! But at least we still have Alec Williams - we should build the team around him!
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Who's that?
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #39
chiefdave said:
I would say a combination of everyone involved but that doesn't mean they were irreplaceable

Robins had a 51.5% win percentage in his first spell without Viveash or Lawrence.
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Yes, without wanting to disrespect the OP the idea that Robins was just the face of Vivesh was clearly one that has been pushed over the last couple of days but the first 3 posts comprehensively answered this question and at least one of them was Robins out.

The disagreements stem from whether you believe that Robins was capable of recreating what we had before in the absence of Vivesh. I do, Doug and Nick apparently don't; but we will never know.
 

stevefloyd

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #40
Otis said:
Yup. It's like trying to pick holes in a lump of cheese that's already very holey.
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Ahh but who made the biggest and most holes Adi or Mark or Dan?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #41
I’ll stand by my original thoughts on this - Robins was brilliant at dragging an extra 10% out of journeyman players.

there’s a reason Vivaesh was always a no2. They worked well together and it worked for Coventry City.

Robins has taken the flack because that’s what the manager does when it goes wrong. he also rightly takes the praise when it goes right. So for me I’m happy to pin all the success on him
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #42
The watchmaker said:
Yes, without wanting to disrespect the OP the idea that Robins was just the face of Vivesh was clearly one that has been pushed over the last couple of days but the first 3 posts comprehensively answered this question and at least one of them was Robins out.

The disagreements stem from whether you believe that Robins was capable of recreating what we had before in the absence of Vivesh. I do, Doug and Nick apparently don't; but we will never know.
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I've got to admit, afrer last night and some info I've received today I think letting Robins go was the correct decision.
I think it's been handled badly, think it's dragged on longer than necessary and think some of the bullshit which people have swallowed didn't need airing but ultimately its the correct desicion.

I hope the new man insists on a clear out and his own team coming in.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #43
Why you wowing cam?!
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #44
clint van damme said:
I've got to admit, afrer last night and some info I've received today I think letting Robins go was the correct decision.
I think it's been handled badly, think it's dragged on longer than necessary and think some of the bullshit which people have swallowed didn't need airing but ultimately its the correct desicion.

I hope the new man insists on a clear out and his own team coming in.
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Oooo what info
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #45
Sky Blue Pete said:
Oooo what info
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Just stuff that was going on. I'm not putting it on here and there's nothing overly exciting or stuff people couldn't guess but I just think the damage has gone to far and will be difficult to repair so I think that's best left to the new man and his team.

King made some huge errors as well but ultimately he's the owner and going nowhere.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #46
clint van damme said:
Why you wowing cam?!
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I am surprised you've changed your mind. Nothing more than that
 

standupforcity

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #47
I posed this question a few weeks back, and was shot down in flames for being disloyal.. it does seem to me that things began to unravel once he left. But then again the entire structure has changed since so who knows!
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #48
Robins first stint although shortish was extra ordinary. Adi wasnt his assistant then. Robins gave us an insight of what hes capable of during his first stint.
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #49
Adi got enough credit from the fan base and was appreciated equally imo.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #50
They were a team, Robins takes overall credit and rightly so. Viveash deserves credit too but MR didn’t become a bad manager without him and of course, his first spell without AV was going well.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #51
Let's not start tarnishing his legacy I say

They all contributed

But mark robins did the most and saved this club. Always remember him with utmost respect and nothing and I mean nothing else.
 
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blunted

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #52
Really you can only look at Robins record with and without Adi. Clearly, together they were magic. Robins record before Adi was not the best and not completely dreadful, although he did leave clubs by the dreaded mutual consent on at least a couple of occasions. Adi had an awesome record with Chelsea and with us. He said he only ever wanted to be a number two here.
Robins was a great man manager but needed a top tactician like Adi. I agree with King on that point.
Lawrence was obviously good too but was only with the club for a couple of seasons.
As King wont have Adi back, perhaps he should sound out Lawrence. Unsure if Lawrence was good with Trinidad.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #53
standupforcity said:
I posed this question a few weeks back, and was shot down in flames for being disloyal.. it does seem to me that things began to unravel once he left. But then again the entire structure has changed since so who knows!
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How did they unravel?
 

Lamps

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #54
If Robins only played a bit part as many are trying to say then the others will go to.clubs and be an instant success with their new clubs.

We had a great run considering many will tell you Robins was poor at tactics and had nothing to do with anything else good at the club.
 
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Diogenes

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #55
Not read through this thread but is this a scab that really needs picking at?

Is dismantling Robins ever did some kind of coping mechanism to deal with the fact that he's now gone?
 
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higgs

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #56
Time will answer that one when they both go into another football position

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk
 

Hiraeth

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #57
Robins had a win percentage over 50% in his first spell at our club without Adi Viveash.

Adi contributed to our success and I don't want to knock his accomplishments but which Coventry City managers have achieved a better win percentage since World War 2 than Robins achieved without Viveash?

Has anyone done better on that measurement of success?
 

standupforcity

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #58
Perennial Lurker said:
How did they unravel?
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Exactly why and where we've arrived at today... the former structure not being what it used to be .. a successful structure...
 
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sixfoursix

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #59
chiefdave said:
I would say a combination of everyone involved but that doesn't mean they were irreplaceable

Robins had a 51.5% win percentage in his first spell without Viveash or Lawrence.
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To be fair, we did have David McGoldrick in the team who scored 16 goals in 22 games, who I believe was signed by Thorn before MR arrived.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 13, 2024
  • #60
Evo1883 said:
How robins does elsewhere doesn't mean anything in relation to wether he was a good manager here .
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So many factors isn't there. It's not as simple as if you are a good manager, you are a good manager anywhere.
 
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Macca

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  • Nov 13, 2024
  • #61
MR missed the England job by weeks
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 13, 2024
  • #62
Hiraeth said:
Robins had a win percentage over 50% in his first spell at our club without Adi Viveash.

Adi contributed to our success and I don't want to knock his accomplishments but which Coventry City managers have achieved a better win percentage since World War 2 than Robins achieved without Viveash?

Has anyone done better on that measurement of success?
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We were in the top division for a good chunk of that time not lg2 and 1. Therefore using win% is pretty flawed as a comparative measure.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 13, 2024
  • #63
Even if they were responsible it was Robins who appointed them so on that basis it’s still all down to Robins.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 13, 2024
  • #64
Deity said:
We were in the top division for a good chunk of that time not lg2 and 1. Therefore using win% is pretty flawed as a comparative measure.
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Lol what?
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Nov 13, 2024
  • #65
Macca said:
MR missed the England job by weeks
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Very much doubt he was anywhere close to being in the running for England.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Nov 13, 2024
  • #66
shmmeee said:
Lol what?
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I think he is saying "small fish, big pond" for a lot of the time (top tier), then bigger fish, smaller pond during Robins' first tenure. Implying that the same management set-up would never have worked in the top league, therefore he wasn't the most successful post-war manager. At least, i think that's what he may mean!!!
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 13, 2024
  • #67
It's going to be Carr isn't it?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 13, 2024
  • #68
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
I think he is saying "small fish, big pond" for a lot of the time (top tier), then bigger fish, smaller pond during Robins' first tenure. Implying that the same management set-up would never have worked in the top league, therefore he wasn't the most successful post-war manager. At least, i think that's what he may mean!!!
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We were in L1 for ten years. We were a L1 fish in a L1 pond.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Nov 13, 2024
  • #69
clint van damme said:
It's going to be Carr isn't it?
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I very much doubt it.

King said we needed an elite tactician that we don’t currently have. He can hardly turn round and appoint Carr who was already on the coaching staff after that.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 13, 2024
  • #70
skybluecam said:
I very much doubt it.

King said we needed an elite tactician that we don’t currently have. He can hardly turn round and appoint Carr who was already on the coaching staff after that.
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I wasn't being serious
 
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