Waggot - what's the point (1 Viewer)

Moff · Mar 16, 2015

dongonzalos said:
What a numpty you are.

So from someone who writes regular diatribes of complete bollocks, I am a numpty for saying waggott is a clown?

He is a clown, his recruitment record is appalling, the loans have been mostly terribl,e and the permanent signings not a great deal better, unless you think fifth from bottom is success and you want to see more of the turgid dross that we have seen this season.

I would rather be a numpty, than a blinkered arse, that thinks Waggott is blame free and an excellent recruiter of players. :facepalm:

chiefdave · Mar 16, 2015

mrtrench said:
I very much doubt he has said that. It would be highly unprofessional and hardly conducive to getting the best out of the side as he tries to avoid relegation.

To be fair he's wasn't too far off saying that in the CT. Something along the lines of he'd had a few days with the squad and he'd need to bring players in if we're going to stay up.

turlykerd · Mar 16, 2015

SISU what's the point

just thought id help you spell the title of the thread :s

ecky · Mar 16, 2015

Joy Division said:
What is Waggott's experience in Football, he's not an ex-player is he or a qualified coach? No idea. I've always wondered what attributes him to be able to go out and recruit players.

He spins a knife on his kitchen table and where ever it points he heads out in that direction looking for players..

dongonzalos · Mar 16, 2015

Moff said:
So from someone who writes regular diatribes of complete bollocks, I am a numpty for saying waggott is a clown?

He is a clown, his recruitment record is appalling, the loans have been mostly terribl,e and the permanent signings not a great deal better, unless you think fifth from bottom is success and you want to see more of the turgid dross that we have seen this season.

I would rather be a numpty, than a blinkered arse, that thinks Waggott is blame free and an excellent recruiter of players. :facepalm:

I thought you were calling me a clown suggesting I did not know that part of his role is recruitment.

I don't know what blame lies with him because no ever clarifies what his role is in the recruitment process.

If it is picking the players to go and get. Then he is having a shocker.

If the manager picks them and his job is to get them, then we don't know how he is doing.

rupert_bear · Mar 16, 2015

We need Waggott as far away from our club as possible....and quick

Moff · Mar 16, 2015

dongonzalos said:
I thought you were calling me a clown suggesting I did not know that part of his role is recruitment.

I don't know what blame lies with him because no ever clarifies what his role is in the recruitment process.

If it is picking the players to go and get. Then he is having a shocker.

If the manager picks them and his job is to get them, then we don't know how he is doing.

Oops sounds like we had crossed wires. Apologies, I think Waggott is a clown not you!

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 16, 2015

Moff said:
Oops sounds like we had crossed wires. Apologies, I think Waggott is a clown not you!

...or both?

Grendel · Mar 16, 2015

Moff said:
Oops sounds like we had crossed wires. Apologies, I think Waggott is a clown not you!

To be fair both assessments are spot on

dongonzalos · Mar 16, 2015

Moff said:
Oops sounds like we had crossed wires. Apologies, I think Waggott is a clown not you!

Ha ha hence the numpty comment
Apologies back

dongonzalos · Mar 16, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
...or both?

Numpty

dongonzalos · Mar 16, 2015

Grendel said:
To be fair both assessments are spot on

Cheers grendel
You do realise you just said you agree I am not a clown

Grendel · Mar 16, 2015

Astute said:
1, We don't know who has chosen the players.

2, Shall we see the players play for a decent manager before we call them a flop. How can so many players as you say flop and it not be anything to do with SP?

3, You hope that Fisher has influence? From what we have seen from Fisher he is as clueless as anyone else.

Waggot has always admitted to being heavily involved in the recruitment process. It's why he came here.

The point seems lost on you. In the thorn era it's understandable why waggot had a prominent role. Thorn would not have been capable of signing players on his own. Between them they contrived to bring such quality as Malaga Brown edjuingele Ball and even paid a fee for Barton.

Robins was a different era. He got his squad together though waggot "helped" with some early loans that were soon shipped back.

With Pressley again it was just get as many people in and see what happens. Even Pressley admitted afterwards that a lot of the players were not scrutinised enough before purchase.

Mowbray - like Robins - is a real football manager. Not a clueless dummy like thorn or a pseudo intellectual (but ultimately useless) like Pressley. He will want a far more active role than either of those two and doesn't need waggot playing his own version of football manager.

I mention fisher as I assume he is still paid and still has seppella's ear. He strikes me as someone who isn't stupid. He should stick his head above the parapet and tell her that we need to keep Mowbray and we don't need the Geordie who fancies himself as Jose Mournhio.

rupert_bear · Mar 16, 2015

I do get the feeling Fisher and Waggott are no longer bosom pals.

LB87ccfc · Mar 16, 2015

Grendel said:
Waggot's role in the recruitment strategy of players over the last few seasons has proved him unfit for purpose.

The fiasco of signing that idiot from Brentford shows him to be utterly clueless as has his shambolic strategy regarding goalkeepers.

He went for "names" like tudgay Jackson etc on God knows what wages which also flopped

In truth when he has dunderheads like Pressley and thorn it doesn't matter.

Now we have a real manager we need to keep. Will he stay when the strategy for recruitment is this hopeless clown?

I hope fisher has some influence still and fires this clueless chancer as we need Mowbray big time.

Didn't you quote me as talking out my backside when I said Waggott has been doing majority of the signings at the club for quite a while, now you have seen the penny drop have you.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 16, 2015

dongonzalos said:
I noticed you left your Messiah Robins out of the equation. Who was signing the players during his reign.

On that note I am a bit confused by Robins I don't understand how he left us and failed at Huddersfield and is now doing average at Scunthorpe after the initial bump that occurs when he first takes over.
I thought that having taken over the 'worst squad in history and turning it into promotion chasers' he would do the same at Huddersfield and Scunthorpe?

Your own messiah Thorn's next position turned out to be an even bigger success than his stint here.

Evo1883 · Mar 16, 2015

One thing i think we can somewhat agree on .is that tony mowbray wont be dictated to in terms of signings ..yes he understands the budget ..but he will very much want it his way .
Which is good

Astute · Mar 16, 2015

Grendel said:
Waggot has always admitted to being heavily involved in the recruitment process. It's why he came here.

The point seems lost on you. In the thorn era it's understandable why waggot had a prominent role. Thorn would not have been capable of signing players on his own. Between them they contrived to bring such quality as Malaga Brown edjuingele Ball and even paid a fee for Barton.

Robins was a different era. He got his squad together though waggot "helped" with some early loans that were soon shipped back.

With Pressley again it was just get as many people in and see what happens. Even Pressley admitted afterwards that a lot of the players were not scrutinised enough before purchase.

Mowbray - like Robins - is a real football manager. Not a clueless dummy like thorn or a pseudo intellectual (but ultimately useless) like Pressley. He will want a far more active role than either of those two and doesn't need waggot playing his own version of football manager.

I mention fisher as I assume he is still paid and still has seppella's ear. He strikes me as someone who isn't stupid. He should stick his head above the parapet and tell her that we need to keep Mowbray and we don't need the Geordie who fancies himself as Jose Mournhio.

And as usual with you it is all or nothing. So because Waggott is involved in all transfers it means that he picks all the players? It wasn't too long ago when you rubbished the idea. Now because it can be used to try and prove a point you say the opposite as before. Did you know that giving a player budget to the manager and then negotiating all the deals is being heavily involved in the transfers?

And if Fisher isn't stupid why did he get so much wrong about taking us to Northampton? Why does he keep opening his mouth at the wrong time? Does he believe about this new stadium or if not does he think we have fallen for it?

So what proof has there ever been that Waggott chose the players? I think it would have come out by now if there was any truth in it.

dongonzalos · Mar 16, 2015

Astute said:
And as usual with you it is all or nothing. So because Waggott is involved in all transfers it means that he picks all the players? It wasn't too long ago when you rubbished the idea. Now because it can be used to try and prove a point you say the opposite as before. Did you know that giving a player budget to the manager and then negotiating all the deals is being heavily involved in the transfers?

And if Fisher isn't stupid why did he get so much wrong about taking us to Northampton? Why does he keep opening his mouth at the wrong time? Does he believe about this new stadium or if not does he think we have fallen for it?

So what proof has there ever been that Waggott chose the players? I think it would have come out by now if there was any truth in it.

Astute don't waste your time

If it a good signing the manager did it. Unless it was Fleck and Murphy. Then AB set it all up and AT and SW just happened to be there when he signed.

SW then changed the club transfer policy just for MR. Except of course for the 50% of MR's signings that were pants. SW made those ones.
DMC signed before MR but after AT just came to club by himself. He just turned up with his boots looking for a game.
The 50% of MR's signings that were good were signed by him.
Then SP came and SW made all the signings.
Now TM is here the whole transfer policy has changed again and TM is signing players.

We don't actually know what SW's role is and who actually identifies the players. However we do know all of the above

Grendel · Mar 16, 2015

Astute said:
And as usual with you it is all or nothing. So because Waggott is involved in all transfers it means that he picks all the players? It wasn't too long ago when you rubbished the idea.

Where did I rubbish the idea?

Grendel · Mar 16, 2015

dongonzalos said:
Astute don't waste your time

If it a good signing the manager did it. Unless it was Fleck and Murphy. Then AB set it all up and AT and SW just happened to be there when he signed.

SW then changed the club transfer policy just for MR. Except of course for the 50% of MR's signings that were pants. SW made those ones.
DMC signed before MR but after AT just came to club by himself. He just turned up with his boots looking for a game.
The 50% of MR's signings that were good were signed by him.
Then SP came and SW made all the signings.
Now TM is here the whole transfer policy has changed again and TM is signing players.

We don't actually know what SW's role is and who actually identifies the players. However we do know all of the above

Fleck a good signing LOL

Grendel · Mar 16, 2015

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Your own messiah Thorn's next position turned out to be an even bigger success than his stint here.

Which is exactly my point.

Let's say the manager wanted a defender -,waggot says "I've found a quality player Kevin Malaga"

Picture the scene.

If thorn was the manager he would just sit drooling in the corner nodding his head.

Pressley was clearly in such a panic anyone would do.

So clearly with those to he would have far greater influence.

Both robins and Mowbray would just laugh at him. He is without purpose.

CEO's are not needed to go running around looking for players to fit a brief - when clearly he hasnt a clue what to look for anyway.

Nick · Mar 16, 2015

Astute · Mar 16, 2015

Grendel said:
Which is exactly my point.

Let's say the manager wanted a defender -,waggot says "I've found a quality player Kevin Malaga"

Picture the scene.

If thorn was the manager he would just sit drooling in the corner nodding his head.

Pressley was clearly in such a panic anyone would do.

So clearly with those to he would have far greater influence.

Both robins and Mowbray would just laugh at him. He is without purpose.

CEO's are not needed to go running around looking for players to fit a brief - when clearly he hasnt a clue what to look for anyway.

So Thorn was shit because he couldn't choose players he wanted.

SP was shit because he couldn't choose players he wanted.

Robins was good because he laughed at Waggott.

Mowbray will be good because he will laugh at Waggott.

So if you want to be a good manager you don't need to be able to see what is going on during a game. You don't have to be tactically astute. You just have to laugh at Waggott

dongonzalos · Mar 16, 2015

Grendel said:
Fleck a good signing LOL

This comment says it all really

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 16, 2015

dongonzalos said:
This comment says it all really

tbf I kind of agree with him.

For all his technical ability, and potential, he hasn't been very... effective.

Grendel · Mar 16, 2015

Astute said:
So Thorn was shit because he couldn't choose players he wanted.

SP was shit because he couldn't choose players he wanted.

Robins was good because he laughed at Waggott.

Mowbray will be good because he will laugh at Waggott.

So if you want to be a good manager you don't need to be able to see what is going on during a game. You don't have to be tactically astute. You just have to laugh at Waggott

You do realise there is one (probably 2) premier league clubs which until a recent change of manager adopted a strategy where the manager had no say in signings don't you?

You seem to be struggling with a very basic concept here. The decisions are not as extreme as practiced at the Premier League club but was s joint consultation. It's obvious the stronger the personality - the greater the influence.

Do keep up.

Astute · Mar 16, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
tbf I kind of agree with him.

For all his technical ability, and potential, he hasn't been very... effective.

I would prefer to see how he plays now we have Mowbray. All our midfielders suffered whilst SP was in charge. IMO he played much better for MR than SP. The one thing SP seemed to do well was make all our players look poor.

Astute · Mar 16, 2015

Grendel said:
You do realise there is one (probably 2) premier league clubs which until a recent change of manager adopted a strategy where the manager had no say in signings don't you?

You seem to be struggling with a very basic concept here. The decisions are not as extreme as practiced at the Premier League club but was s joint consultation. It's obvious the stronger the personality - the greater the influence.

Do keep up.

So your proof that Waggott chooses all the players is that you say that one or two Prem clubs do it?

Grendel · Mar 16, 2015

dongonzalos said:
This comment says it all really

It's a well known fact sisu sell their best players.

He's had a new contract from sisu - a rare thing that places him alongside greats like David Bell.

Why is he still here then scraping a living in the lower leagues? To be fair to him he had a couple of good games recently but it's interesting robins never rated him and will be interesting if Mowbray stays to see what happens.

Grendel · Mar 16, 2015

Astute said:
So your proof that Waggott chooses all the players is that you say that one or two Prem clubs do it?

Can you read? Where did I say that?

It was acknowledged in a forum under thorns tenure that requirements were drawn up and collective decisions made. It's pretty common knowledge and I doubt if waggot will deny it. He is effectively chief scout - and about as much use as the last person to do the job - but a lot better paid.

Astute · Mar 16, 2015

Grendel said:
You do realise there is one (probably 2) premier league clubs which until a recent change of manager adopted a strategy where the manager had no say in signings don't you?

You seem to be struggling with a very basic concept here. The decisions are not as extreme as practiced at the Premier League club but was s joint consultation. It's obvious the stronger the personality - the greater the influence.

Do keep up.

Do keep up? Would be interesting to know what you are trying to say.

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 16, 2015

Astute said:
I would prefer to see how he plays now we have Mowbray. All our midfielders suffered whilst SP was in charge. IMO he played much better for MR than SP. The one thing SP seemed to do well was make all our players look poor.

Kind of applies for all the players though, including, say, Thomas, who's the current boo-boy.

One thing Fleck's time with us has shown so far, is why he hasn't made it as high as he was hyped to go.

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 16, 2015

Grendel said:
Can you read? Where did I say that?

It was acknowledged in a forum under thorns tenure that requirements were drawn up and collective decisions made. It's pretty common knowledge and I doubt if waggot will deny it. He is effectively chief scout - and about as much use as the last person to do the job - but a lot better paid.

'Kid in a sweet shop' was the quote ref: Thorn and centre backs... and why we ended up with so many.

Waggot offered him Malaga and the Edge, Thorn got all excited so we ended up with both. Thorn wanted a centre back, Waggot found one... or two.

Can't be arsed to find it but there's your prompt...

Astute · Mar 16, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Kind of applies for all the players though, including, say, Thomas, who's the current boo-boy.

One thing Fleck's time with us has shown so far, is why he hasn't made it as high as he was hyped to go.

And I have said wait until the players have time with Mowbray before saying they are shit. I have also said many times that how could so many players suddenly become shit whilst playing for SP. It was as though they were not allowed to go forward a lot of the time.

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