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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #36
Ashdown said:
I simply don't believe him when it comes to the budget, SISU have made a big habit of lying and bullshitting everyone for 3 years now, I'd want to see evidence of our wage spend on players, also Waggot ought to take a look at his own involvement in team affairs........Dog eat Dog !!
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I'm sceptical that it is a top 6 budget as claimed, I have no doubt though it is a much higher budget than our current position shows.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #37
CCFC said:
I'm sceptical that it is a top 6 budget as claimed, I have no doubt though it is a much higher budget than our current position shows.
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Yes I agree, Pressley has made a pigs ear of things but I doubt we're the real draw for incoming players that SISU's representatives like to make out !
 
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The Lurker

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #38
stupot07 said:
Really?






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Can't you read? It says 'met his requirements ' Doesn't say he actually handpicked the players.

He (Pressley) set a criteria of the players he wanted and I assume waggot bought the players in.
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #39
I wonder If Waggot will still hold his forum,Is It tomorrow night?

The first few lines say It all to me and I think should we be relegated then the Academy would come under serious threat
Thus SISU'S whole model falls down
We shall see I guess
 

skybluebeduff

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #40
The Lurker said:
Reading that statement it says to me that Pressley didn't sign the players we have. If that's the case, a question that needs asking is, who did make the decision of these players?
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It reads like Pressley did make the signings, hence why Waggot has sacked him after giving him a competitive budget to bring in the players he wanted, who have ultimately failed him.
 

Covstu

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #41
It goes back to the fact that you cannot make a team up from other clubs borrowed players, there is no commitment as a whole. Doesnt help the fact that we have brought in 'has beens'.

I am just glad they have finally made the decision and clear who is going to take charge going forward. Hopefully it will be enough to keep our heads above water for this season but then over to SISU to make a plan to improve the next season.

Never had anything against Pressley but just a little out of his depth and naive in his approach.
 
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The Lurker

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #42
skybluebeduff said:
It reads like Pressley did make the signings, hence why Waggot has sacked him after giving him a competitive budget to bring in the players he wanted, who have ultimately failed him.
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It says the players in were to Pressley requirements. It doesn't say he actually signed them. It's like a politician wording paragraph. Worded very clever
 
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LB87ccfc

Member
  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #43
Originally Posted by skybluebeduff

It reads like Pressley did make the signings, hence why Waggot has sacked him after giving him a competitive budget to bring in the players he wanted, who have ultimately failed him.

LB87ccfc says - Do not be tricked by the wording.

When we returned to the Ricoh Pressley went on record as saying it was a shame we was not back during the summer as we could of had a very different recruitment method, as the plan was layed out as if we was going to be in Northampton, which resulted in certain players rejecting the move to the club - Pressley missed out on several FIRST choice targets he had complied through being at Northampton and the budget being cut.

The summer recruitment was led by Waggott who's remit was to cut the playing budget by 50% across the board, whilst maintaining a competitive squad of seasoned and young talented individuals in order to push for the play offs.

Pressley identified certain criteria which he felt was needed after we lost circa 60 goals from the squad and complied a list stating the areas of the squad he wished to strengthen.

Waggot then went away and used his connections within football ringing / inviting agents who's sole purpose was to find their client a football club, to contact them with a view of going through their CV's , medical records etc etc, with a view to getting round the negotiation table.

Waggott would then advise Pressley this player was available and suited the new budget in which they was signed but with Pressley doing all the media in relation to the signing, ultimately, their has been some of these signings who were not approved but Budget and needs must came into play.

One of the main issues is still at the club, do not lose light of this.
 
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stupot07

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #44
The Lurker said:
It says the players in were to Pressley requirements. It doesn't say he actually signed them. It's like a politician wording paragraph. Worded very clever
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It also doesn't say he didn't sign them. A lot of managers don't sign the players, that's don't by someone else. That was one of the reasons suggested for Moyes struggling to sign players last season, as not only had fergie gone, but also the main negotiator Gill.

From what we have been told at forums by waggott and Pressley, is that recruitment is very much done in committee betwern Pressley, Macfarlane, waggott and the chief scout.


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The Lurker

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #45
LB87ccfc said:
Originally Posted by skybluebeduff

It reads like Pressley did make the signings, hence why Waggot has sacked him after giving him a competitive budget to bring in the players he wanted, who have ultimately failed him.

LB87ccfc says - Do not be tricked by the wording.

When we returned to the Ricoh Pressley went on record as saying it was a shame we was not back during the summer as we could of had a very different recruitment method, as the plan was layed out as if we was going to be in Northampton, which resulted in certain players rejecting the move to the club - Pressley missed out on several FIRST choice targets he had complied through being at Northampton and the budget being cut.

The summer recruitment was led by Waggott who's remit was to cut the playing budget by 50% across the board, whilst maintaining a competitive squad of seasoned and young talented individuals in order to push for the play offs.

Pressley identified certain criteria which he felt was needed after we lost circa 60 goals from the squad and complied a list stating the areas of the squad he wished to strengthen.

Waggot then went away and used his connections within football ringing / inviting agents who's sole purpose was to find their client a football club, to contact them with a view of going through their CV's , medical records etc etc, with a view to getting round the negotiation table.

Waggott would then advise Pressley this player was available and suited the new budget in which they was signed but with Pressley doing all the media in relation to the signing, ultimately, their has been some of these signings who were not approved but Budget and needs must came into play.

One of the main issues is still at the club, do not lose light of this.
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Thank you LB, fans get taken in. As I stated further up the thread waggott is good at PR and wording hence why he made the statement and not fisher. Many are gullible and make assumptions and read between the lines rather then take note of certain words and meanings
 
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The Lurker

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #46
stupot07 said:
It also doesn't say he didn't sign them. A lot of managers don't sign the players, that's don't by someone else. That was one of the reasons suggested for Moyes struggling to sign players last season, as not only had fergie gone, but also the main negotiator Gill.

From what we have been told at forums by waggott and Pressley, is that recruitment is very much done in committee betwern Pressley, Macfarlane, waggott and the chief scout.


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Does it say Pressley made the signings? No! It stated it met his requirements. Two completely different meanings. Waggott is covering his own back here with that statement
 

stupot07

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #47
The Lurker said:
Does it say Pressley made the signings? No! It stated it met his requirements. Two completely different meanings. Waggott is covering his own back here with that statement
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It also doesn't say he didn't make the signings.


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davebart

Active Member
  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #48
skybluebeduff said:
It reads like Pressley did make the signings, hence why Waggot has sacked him after giving him a competitive budget to bring in the players he wanted, who have ultimately failed him.
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You can read anything you like into whatever SISU say. They have been shown to be economical with the truth at every turn. Don't fall into the trap of thinking they are trying to tell us anything real.
 

stupot07

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #49
The Lurker said:
Thank you LB, fans get taken in. As I stated further up the thread waggott is good at PR and wording hence why he made the statement and not fisher. Many are gullible and make assumptions and read between the lines rather then take note of certain words and meanings
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You are also reading between the lines.


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The Lurker

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #50
stupot07 said:
You are also reading between the lines.


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You really believe Pressley bought all these players in? Look the loans from b'mouth. Did he want them? No. Last year Pressley made it clear he wasn't a fan of loans yet we have the highest turnover of loans in this season from league 1. I'm dealing with facts.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #51
sorry there were 6 permanent signings for last season - only webster remains. 13 permanent signings this season. 20 loanees over the past 2 seasons. over 40 players have left the club.
1. the turnover of players seems to indicate a very disorganised approach to squad building and poor selection of players.
2. there must have been opportunities to build a decent side from 39 players coming in.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #52
It wasn't that chaotic with Robins or previous managers so I presume it was down to Pressley.

tisza said:
sorry there were 6 permanent signings for last season - only webster remains. 13 permanent signings this season. 20 loanees over the past 2 seasons. over 40 players have left the club.
1. the turnover of players seems to indicate a very disorganised approach to squad building and poor selection of players.
2. there must have been opportunities to build a decent side from 39 players coming in.
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Astute

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #53
The truth is somewhere in the middle of what is being debated here.

A club the size of ours that has raised the money through transfers should have had a bit more money outlaid to have got us back to the Championship with a more settled squad of permanent signings. But SP should also have done better with the squad he did have. We are in a very poor division to what we are used to. It wouldn't take a lot to be in the top half.

The one thing that always made me think that SP didn't choose the players was the amount he never chose to play unless he had to. Why bring them to our club if he wasn't going to play them if he chose them? But a few of them were better than who he kept playing.
 

covcity4life

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #54
blair turgott scored 2 under hockaday in u21 game. hopefully he plays on saturday
 

stupot07

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #55
The Lurker said:
You really believe Pressley bought all these players in? Look the loans from b'mouth. Did he want them? No. Last year Pressley made it clear he wasn't a fan of loans yet we have the highest turnover of loans in this season from league 1. I'm dealing with facts.
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Yes I believe Pressley was involved and had the final say as to what players came in. He may not have been a fan of the loan system but if that's all you've got to deal with you get on with it. You're trying to suggest he had little say and had players forced upon him. I don't believe this is the case.

And how do you know he didn't want them the bournemouth loans? The only one that didn't really feature was coulibaly and that's because he changed to 352 on the eve of the season.

Carl Bakers comments are interesting.

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/54237-Carl-Bakers-comments-today

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covcity4life

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #56
if pressley was forced by sisu we would have manset playing upfront with akpom

it was all him.
 

stupot07

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #57
covcity4life said:
if pressley was forced by sisu we would have manset playing upfront with akpom

it was all him.
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It's not as if he took the likes of tudguy, Miller, Pugh, jackson on trial before signing them.


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covcity4life

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #58
tbh hes wasted alot of money!

good job we have owners to keep us going....
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #59
Astute said:
The one thing that always made me think that SP didn't choose the players was the amount he never chose to play unless he had to. Why bring them to our club if he wasn't going to play them if he chose them? But a few of them were better than who he kept playing.
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I'd accept the argument as a possibility, but at the same time there's the nagging doubt he seemed to sign O'Brien, Swanson and co. all of who could fit into last season's system... then he changed the system!
 
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LB87ccfc

Member
  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #60
covcity4life said:
tbh hes wasted alot of money!

good job we have owners to keep us going....
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You on drugs? owners who have cut the budget by a minimum of 50% season after season you mean?
 
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shil0261

Guest
  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #61
Top 6 budget could mean:

(a) At most five teams in this division pay more than us in wages;

or (b) We, the owners, deem the budget adequate for the manager to get us into the top 6.

If it's (a) then Pressley was clearly the problem and needed to go, and we should have no problem attracting some of the names that have been mentioned, e.g. Di Canio, Warnock, and should stay up comfortably; if it's (b) then I guess we'll see how Hockaday gets on.

Bet on form ...
 
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Woodster

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #62
If this season we have a top six budget that has been cut by 50%, should we not have gotten into the play-offs last year points deduction or not?

Either the budget being cut in half or the 'top six' figure being banded around is codswallop.
 

covcity4life

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #63
LB87ccfc said:
You on drugs? owners who have cut the budget by a minimum of 50% season after season you mean?
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Astute

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #64
Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd accept the argument as a possibility, but at the same time there's the nagging doubt he seemed to sign O'Brien, Swanson and co. all of who could fit into last season's system... then he changed the system!
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Which points even more to him not having a clue if signing players for a system he wasn't going to use. I wouldn't argue with anyone over this matter. All we can do is look at the clues and try and make sense out of some strange decisions. As you will all know I blame SISU for a lot that has gone wrong. But I have defended them when accused of leaving us with a relegation squad this time. I have been calling for a change of manager for ages now. Not celebrating that it has now happened. But at least we can start looking forward now.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #65
Astute said:
Which points even more to him not having a clue if signing players for a system he wasn't going to use.
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It does. Even if he hadn't signed the players, a good manager picks the system to suit the players, rather than square pegs in round holes.

Bet Swanson and Johnson for two, are delightred today...
 
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ecky

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #66
He was doing ok til he got Webster in then went 352 and was too stubborn to change, plus his bomb squad, deluded post match interviews, tactically inept, etc etc apart from all that he was a good manager????
Half the job is done we won't go anywhere whilst Sisu remain
 

Astute

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #67
Deleted member 5849 said:
It does. Even if he hadn't signed the players, a good manager picks the system to suit the players, rather than square pegs in round holes.

Bet Swanson and Johnson for two, are delightred today...
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Which is what some of us have been saying all season. We can disagree on who chose the squad. But only the deluded would argue on who chose the team and the tactics we played.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #68
ecky said:
He was doing ok til he got Webster in
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Only the second signing he made, before his first full campaign.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #69
Astute said:
Which is what some of us have been saying all season. We can disagree on who chose the squad. But only the deluded would argue on who chose the team and the tactics we played.
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Well... yes.
 

Astute

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  • Feb 23, 2015
  • #70
ecky said:
He was doing ok til he got Webster in then went 352 and was too stubborn to change, plus his bomb squad, deluded post match interviews, tactically inept, etc etc apart from all that he was a good manager????
Half the job is done we won't go anywhere whilst Sisu remain
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Sorry can't agree. MR was turning things around when he left. That was why he got poached. It can happen again as long as they make the right choice on manager. This is a shit division. It doesn't take a lot to make a winning squad and team. Look at some of the teams in the top half.
 
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