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shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #946
alexccfc99 said:
It is also worth noting that Adi was only ever here in the first place owing to a freak set of circumstances where MR's original no. 2 had a really serious illness

I don't buy that MR depends on him and has all of a sudden turned into a bad manager overnight now he has gone - He has managed the rest of his career with a different No. 2
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Yeah but the rest of his career hasn’t been particularly good.
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #947
shmmeee said:
Yeah but the rest of his career hasn’t been particularly good.
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That is very harsh tbh, he hasn't hit the heights he has here but he certainly hasn't done a terrible job anywhere in his managerial career
 
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Bad Boy

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #948
clint van damme said:
He released his farewell statement through his solicitor, which is highly unusual.
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Didn't know that.

Fair enough.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #949
He looks a lost soul on the touchline now he's without AV and Big Den
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #950
Gynnsthetonic said:
He looks a lost soul on the touchline now he's without AV and Big Den
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Yep the knives are out,we say it's the players letting him down, but perversely their actions could easily against the owner?
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #951
shmmeee said:
Yeah but the rest of his career hasn’t been particularly good.
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He took rotherham from -17 points to 58 points , would have finished 5th on 75 points .

Saved Barnsley from relegation

That's pretty good no ?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #952
Evo1883 said:
He took rotherham from -17 points to 58 points , would have finished 5th on 75 points .

Saved Barnsley from relegation

That's pretty good no ?
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Rotherham I’ll give you. Barnsley his overall record was pretty poor (lowest win percentage in his managerial career). He’s generally done well in L1 and not so well in the Championship.
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #953
shmmeee said:
Rotherham I’ll give you. Barnsley his overall record was pretty poor (lowest win percentage in his managerial career). He’s generally done well in L1 and not so well in the Championship.
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Barnsley were a poor side that were way out their depth financially at the time , they finished 17th in 2010-11 under Robins and 21st the 2seasons after he left and relegation the season after that

This would indicate he did a semi decent job there if the 3 managers after did worse

Context matters
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #954
shmmeee said:
Rotherham I’ll give you. Barnsley his overall record was pretty poor (lowest win percentage in his managerial career). He’s generally done well in L1 and not so well in the Championship.
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What did you expect Barnsley to do they have mostly yo-yo'd between the Championship and L1 in my time watching football keeping their heads above water was an ok job
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #955
He seems to thrive when he's got no money to spend. If he is in control then his signings have been poor last couple of years
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #956
Gynnsthetonic said:
He seems to thrive when he's got no money to spend. If he is in control then his signings have been poor last couple of years
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Robins isn't identifying the players , he's basically saying yes or no to signing them

The scouts are identifying the players

And they aren't poor players are they ?

The fees being paid , well that's entirely up for scrutiny
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #957
Evo1883 said:
Robins isn't identifying the players , he's basically saying yes or no to signing them

The scouts are identifying the players

And they aren't poor players are they ?

The fees being paid , well that's entirely up for scrutiny
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OK not poor but not worth the money we've spent
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #958
Evo1883 said:
Robins isn't identifying the players , he's basically saying yes or no to signing them

The scouts are identifying the players

And they aren't poor players are they ?

The fees being paid , well that's entirely up for scrutiny
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Of the owners?
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #959
Gynnsthetonic said:
OK not poor but not worth the money we've spent
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Well that's yet to be seen isn't it ? Most these players gave us some great moments last season and showed some real potential ..hopefully we can reignite that
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #960
alexccfc99 said:
It is also worth noting that Adi was only ever here in the first place owing to a freak set of circumstances where MR's original no. 2 had a really serious illness

I don't buy that MR depends on him and has all of a sudden turned into a bad manager overnight now he has gone - He has managed the rest of his career with a different No. 2
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Agreed, we’ve been here before and things turned out alright. Of course, this doesn’t guarantee our form will pick up, it’s a cause for optimism that MR will turn it around.

On hand, you’ve got people saying AV leaving is a cause of things going badly, conveniently ignoring our bad form in March/April last season. At the same time, using that set of circumstances (poor end of season form), to support the case for sacking MR.

The team still isn’t good enough, the defence and midfield units just aren’t good enough to compete at the top end of the Championship. Even last season, our form against the top half teams (compared to 22/23) shows this clearly.
 

Gynnsthetonic

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #961
Evo1883 said:
Well that's yet to be seen isn't it ? Most these players gave us some great moments last season and showed some real potential ..hopefully we can reignite that
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We've only won 3 league games since the Wolves ¼ Final. Simply not good enough
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #962
Gynnsthetonic said:
We've only won 3 league games since the Wolves ¼ Final. Simply not good enough
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Yes I understand that but it was basically accepted amongst many of the fans that we'd blown out last season because of the cup run (not me ) now they are using the end of season as ammunition , it's nonsense really
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #963
Evo1883 said:
Yes I understand that but it was basically accepted amongst many of the fans that we'd blown out last season because of the cup run (not me ) now they are using the end of season as ammunition , it's nonsense really
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Not necessarily, we're just not that good and need better players to compete at the top
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #964
Gynnsthetonic said:
Not necessarily, we're just not that good and need better players to compete at the top
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Not buying this. Ipswich, Luton, us two years ago? Lots of teams with worse players than we’ve got have got out or come damn close.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #965
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Agreed, we’ve been here before and things turned out alright. Of course, this doesn’t guarantee our form will pick up, it’s a cause for optimism that MR will turn it around.

On hand, you’ve got people saying AV leaving is a cause of things going badly, conveniently ignoring our bad form in March/April last season. At the same time, using that set of circumstances (poor end of season form), to support the case for sacking MR.

The team still isn’t good enough, the defence and midfield units just aren’t good enough to compete at the top end of the Championship. Even last season, our form against the top half teams (compared to 22/23) shows this clearly.
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Our patched up defence plus Ben Wilson got the golden glove in 22/23, which tells me something else is amiss. Midfield, to be specific.

Too weak to protect the defence, too ineffective to drive the team forward. The most important part of the pitch and it’s being carried right now by Josh Eccles.
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #966
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Our patched up defence plus Ben Wilson got the golden glove in 22/23, which tells me something else is amiss. Midfield, to be specific.

Too weak to protect the defence, too ineffective to drive the team forward. The most important part of the pitch and it’s being carried right now by Josh Eccles.
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We lost alot of energy with hamer and we haven't replaced him have we
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #967
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Agreed, we’ve been here before and things turned out alright. Of course, this doesn’t guarantee our form will pick up, it’s a cause for optimism that MR will turn it around.

On hand, you’ve got people saying AV leaving is a cause of things going badly, conveniently ignoring our bad form in March/April last season. At the same time, using that set of circumstances (poor end of season form), to support the case for sacking MR.

The team still isn’t good enough, the defence and midfield units just aren’t good enough to compete at the top end of the Championship. Even last season, our form against the top half teams (compared to 22/23) shows this clearly.
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Except your conviently forgetting that Lawrence had gone for want of a better contract,and you have to a lead in to these appointments, they don't just happen do they?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #968
Evo1883 said:
We lost alot of energy with hamer and we haven't replaced him have we
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Energy has been lost further up the pitch in COH as well, but there hasn’t been an engine room since Hamer went. It’s hurting us at both ends.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #969
I love how you're all assuming it was gross misconduct on his part. Bit of a slur. From what I understood and I don't claim to be itk, it was a straight choice between him and Robins and they of course favoured the manager based on the previous. That to me says it's a breakdown in their relationship. I was told the reason for that was Adi's mrs, but don't know how much truth there is in it as often these things get embellished.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #970
rob9872 said:
I love how you're all assuming it was gross misconduct on his part. Bit of a slur. From what I understood and I don't claim to be itk, it was a straight choice between him and Robins and they of course favoured the manager based on the previous. That to me says it's a breakdown in their relationship. I was told the reason for that was Adi's mrs, but don't know how much truth there is in it as often these things get embellished.
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Going on about others making slurs and then make one yourself. If it was just a breakdown in their working relationship he’d have left by mutual consent and wouldn’t be communicating via a solicitor.
 
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Sbarcher

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #971
I was told it was Adi's response to being introduced to the new Performance Director - "no-one is going to tell me what to do".
Bye Adi.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #972
Sbarcher said:
I was told it was Adi's response to being introduced to the new Performance Director - "no-one is going to tell me what to do".
Bye Adi.
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That’s probably based on the rumour posted on here.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #973
rob9872 said:
I love how you're all assuming it was gross misconduct on his part. Bit of a slur. From what I understood and I don't claim to be itk, it was a straight choice between him and Robins and they of course favoured the manager based on the previous. That to me says it's a breakdown in their relationship. I was told the reason for that was Adi's mrs, but don't know how much truth there is in it as often these things get embellished.
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this is just as big a slur as the ones you’re protesting about
 
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Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #974
The new coaching team is a bag of wank. All of them nobodies and hands in pockets or playing on an iPad. I saw Boateng watching YouTube highlights of Summerville on Saturday before the match, who left Leeds in the summer. Amateur.

We need to fire the performance director, the silly 4 coaches and Vivash back in the building.

Doug is the worst King to grace the club. He’s up there with Marlon. King Out.
 

rob9872

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #975
Ring Of Steel said:
this is just as big a slur as the ones you’re protesting about
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I'm not protesting about the slur, only that it was all assumed it was on Adi and not Robins, that's why I said slur. Mine hopefully is balancing that opinion as they mostly seem guesses and I'd heard different. Could be the others, mine or none of them that's correct and I did say often embellished.
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #976
Evo1883 said:
Barnsley were a poor side that were way out their depth financially at the time , they finished 17th in 2010-11 under Robins and 21st the 2seasons after he left and relegation the season after that

This would indicate he did a semi decent job there if the 3 managers after did worse

Context matters
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Is semi-decent good enough here?
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #977
MalcSB said:
Is semi-decent good enough here?
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Just get it done and pay the compo, it's a bit sick for me, they're never going to recreate the combo we previously had!
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #978
rob9872 said:
I love how you're all assuming it was gross misconduct on his part. Bit of a slur. From what I understood and I don't claim to be itk, it was a straight choice between him and Robins and they of course favoured the manager based on the previous. That to me says it's a breakdown in their relationship. I was told the reason for that was Adi's mrs, but don't know how much truth there is in it as often these things get embellished.
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From what I've heard it was
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #979
MalcSB said:
Is semi-decent good enough here?
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He's done a fucking phenomenal job at coventry , not semi decent
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #980
Evo1883 said:
He's done a fucking phenomenal job at coventry , not semi decent
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He has done a phenomenal job at Coventry - most of it with Viveash

Currently it isn’t even semi decent.
 
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