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wingy

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  • Jul 2, 2024
  • #561
Hobo said:
You are assuming Adi didn't just decide to leave? That he didn't just fancy a change? Or a host of other reasons why he might want to move on or step aside? But change happens. Sometimes new impetus is good otherwise things stagnate.
"If it's not broke why fix it?" But are we not looking to buy better players?
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Who's carrying the most exccfc player's these days, I don't think he'll be out of work too long!
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Jul 2, 2024
  • #562
chiefdave said:
gold star for anyone who can name them all and know what their job is
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The guy in the middle I think is Mark Robbings although I maybe wrong
 
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Hobo

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  • Jul 2, 2024
  • #563
wingy said:
Who's carrying the most exccfc player's these days, I don't think he'll be out of work too long!
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I am a big Viveash fan I think he has done a good job. But I think too many are jumping to there own conclusions about the circumstances? Things change. I am sure he will get another job, he might already have a new one lined up.

People are shocked because they didn't see it coming. But the fact he said I thought long and hard about whether I wanted to sign the new contract extension, shows he didn't see himself being here forever.
 
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blunted

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  • Jul 2, 2024
  • #564
Hobo said:
You are assuming Adi didn't just decide to leave? That he didn't just fancy a change? Or a host of other reasons why he might want to move on or step aside? But change happens. Sometimes new impetus is good otherwise things stagnate.
"If it's not broke why fix it?" But are we not looking to buy better players?
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I have said on a previous post that providing he did not leave of his own volition. Sorry, my observation was a continuation if he didn't want to leave. I believe the silence from the club makes this more likely.
I will be the first to hold my hands up if my speculation (and it is just speculation) is wrong.
Again, I am now surmising, but why is the club information so abrupt and uninformative. Like someone said, everyone leaving gets a glowing send off (see Boddy).
Of course we are continuously improving the playing staff to date, although finance may restrict this if we don't get promoted.
If you have an incredibly successful coach who has improved virtually every player we have bought, I would not take a gamble at this stage on two new coaches with potential rather than extensive experience. That is my take on it and I hope to be proven wrong.
Sorry to bring politics into this. Change can be incredibly good, but as an example, look at Gove who instigated massive change at every department he took charge of, to the detriment of that department.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 2, 2024
  • #565
blunted said:
I have said on a previous post that providing he did not leave of his own volition. Sorry, my observation was a continuation if he didn't want to leave. I believe the silence from the club makes this more likely.
I will be the first to hold my hands up if my speculation (and it is just speculation) is wrong.
Again, I am now surmising, but why is the club information so abrupt and uninformative. Like someone said, everyone leaving gets a glowing send off (see Boddy).
Of course we are continuously improving the playing staff to date, although finance may restrict this if we don't get promoted.
If you have an incredibly successful coach who has improved virtually every player we have bought, I would not take a gamble at this stage on two new coaches with potential rather than extensive experience. That is my take on it and I hope to be proven wrong.
Sorry to bring politics into this. Change can be incredibly good, but as an example, look at Gove who instigated massive change at every department he took charge of, to the detriment of that department.
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What utter drivel
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Jul 2, 2024
  • #566
Let’s be honest Viveash is laughing all the way to the bank. Doug will have had to pay him his contract so he’s probably just had roughly 3 years wages up front.
 
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Deity

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  • Jul 2, 2024
  • #567
Cally Fedora said:
Let’s be honest Viveash is laughing all the way to the bank. Doug will have had to pay him his contract so he’s probably just had roughly 3 years wages up front.
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That depends on the circumstances under which he left and if he works again during that 3yd period.

If he doesn’t work again ( he will I’m sure ) we will be liable for the full remainder of his contract. If he does work again then City’s liability will either be partially or totally removed from the start of his new employment depending on his new package.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Jul 2, 2024
  • #568
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
What's Rhys Carrrrrrr good at? I've never heard of him .
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You had never heard of Viveash
 

Hobo

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  • Jul 2, 2024
  • #569
Cally Fedora said:
Let’s be honest Viveash is laughing all the way to the bank. Doug will have had to pay him his contract so he’s probably just had roughly 3 years wages up front.
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It doesn't quite work like that. But he certainly won't need to rush to find a post, even if he hasn't already.
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 2, 2024
  • #570
Hobo said:
It doesn't quite work like that. But he certainly won't need to rush to find a post, even if he hasn't already.
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Yes I already did and now I'm not!
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 2, 2024
  • #571
torchomatic said:
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Think that squad will struggle. Though looks like we've upgraded the keeper.
 
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Deity

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #572
Quite a contrast between the clubs statement on Godden and the statement on Viveash …. Those that feel there is nothing amiss here have their eyes shut.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #573
Deity said:
Quite a contrast between the clubs statement on Godden and the statement on Viveash …. Those that feel there is nothing amiss here have their eyes shut.
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Oh my fucking god
 
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Deity

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #574
David O'Day said:
Oh my fucking god
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Yep your already thin argument looks totally shambolic now.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #575
blunted said:
If it ain't broke don't fix it. We have had continuous success since Adi arrived and the last step to the Prem is the most difficult. If our players had gelled earlier last season after so many changes, we would have gone up. In the event, we were a whisker away from the FA Cup final. What same results are you talking about?
Four Wembley trips including a play off final? Some of the best performances we have seen in years? Two forwards scoring 19 goals each? Turning Vik from a lost soul to an awesome player. Getting the best out of Hamer and a fit O'Hare?
Our new coaches may be better, (and I hope they are), but Adi is a proven winner at Chelsea and here. Nothing but success all the way through.
Of course some people are never satisfied and think they can improve with change. I would not rule it out that we will improve, but would not take the gamble. Incidentally, I think we will go up this season but feel we would have anyway.
This feels to me like the Hull sacking when they were nearly there. Owners who wont play a long game and demand instant success. Don't think for a minute this will happen but just look at Birmingham.
Adi told Mourinho he would not change at Chelsea and he remained successful. That is called having the courage of your convictions.
Pure speculation, but I feel Adi would likely say the same to any new employees at the club.
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You don't know anything about the reasoning so your entire post is speculation.
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #576
Deity said:
Quite a contrast between the clubs statement on Godden and the statement on Viveash …. Those that feel there is nothing amiss here have their eyes shut.
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But why should we care if there is an issue? It happens.
 
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ovduk78

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #577
Yet another thread where nobody knows exactly what has happened yet are arguing as if why they think AV left is actually what happened. He may have resigned or been sacked, we don't know, but either could lead to the club's short statement.
 
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Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #578
Deity said:
Yep your already thin argument looks totally shambolic now.
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Trouble is so many people are clutching at theories when they actually don't know? There might be a complexity of reasons? But people seem to want somebody to blame?

The reality is what has happened has happened and it is done. So we move on and try and progress.
 
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Deity

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #579
Why do I care ?

Not because we need someone to blame

Not because it won’t work or is a mistake

My concern is only the risk of change. We are swapping a proven successful combination of Robins and Viveash for 2 unproven coaches and Robins.

To take that risk the club must have had a compelling reason and I’m curious as to what it is and I don’t buy it’s the reason we have been told.
 
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ovduk78

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #580
Deity said:
Why do I care ?

Not because we need someone to blame

Not because it won’t work or is a mistake

My concern is only the risk of change. We are swapping a proven successful combination of Robins and Viveash for 2 unproven coaches and Robins.

To take that risk the club must have had a compelling reason and I’m curious as to what it is and I don’t buy it’s the reason we have been told.
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And you definitely know it was the club's decision?
 

Hobo

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #581
Deity said:
Why do I care ?

Not because we need someone to blame

Not because it won’t work or is a mistake

My concern is only the risk of change. We are swapping a proven successful combination of Robins and Viveash for 2 unproven coaches and Robins.

To take that risk the club must have had a compelling reason and I’m curious as to what it is and I don’t buy it’s the reason we have been told.
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But change happens and you don't know why the change has come about?
 

Briles

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #582
Hobo said:
Trouble is so many people are clutching at theories when they actually don't know? There might be a complexity of reasons? But people seem to want somebody to blame?

The reality is what has happened has happened and it is done. So we move on and try and progress.
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TBF this thread is like reading one of those facebook groups about that jay slater thats gone missing. Some weird obsession with blame hunting in society of late. Its fascinating to read.
 
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Hobo

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #583
Briles said:
TBF this thread is like reading one of those facebook groups about that jay slater thats gone missing. Some weird obsession with blame hunting in society of late. Its fascinating to read.
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I think under SISU people got addicted to soap operas and conspiracy theories. Unfortunately for some younger fans it is all they have known.
 
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Deity

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #584
ovduk78 said:
And you definitely know it was the club's decision?
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I don’t have any inside info.

I do know that after 7 years of relative success it’s odd that Viveash has left with no comments from him, Robins, the players etc …. It’s not our comms style.

It’s got all the hallmarks of a compromise agreement statement ….

We have also not heard from either of the new coaches, again not the clubs normal style.
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #585
torchomatic said:
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Who is the guys looks to be in his 50s stood next to MR? He seemed to be the one leading the changing room celebration after the Wolves win
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #586
djr8369 said:
Who is the guys looks to be in his 50s stood next to MR? He seemed to be the one leading the changing room celebration after the Wolves win
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John Dempster, former footballer, he is the kitman. He grew up on the same street as my dad in Dudley.
 

skybluecam

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #587
Deity said:
Why do I care ?

Not because we need someone to blame

Not because it won’t work or is a mistake

My concern is only the risk of change. We are swapping a proven successful combination of Robins and Viveash for 2 unproven coaches and Robins.

To take that risk the club must have had a compelling reason and I’m curious as to what it is and I don’t buy it’s the reason we have been told.
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The risk of change? Mate we have to change, constantly, if we want to reach the premier league.
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #588
Ccfcisparks said:
John Dempster, former footballer, he is the kitman. He grew up on the same street as my dad in Dudley.
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Thanks!
 

Joy Division

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #589
Ccfcisparks said:
John Dempster, former footballer, he is the kitman. He grew up on the same street as my dad in Dudley.
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That's Chris Marsh
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #590
Hobo said:
I think under SISU people got addicted to soap operas and conspiracy theories. Unfortunately for some younger fans it is all they have known.
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There is one person I’d describe as an ITK on these matters and he has posted that it was the new directors decision to remove him
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #591
Joy Division said:
That's Chris Marsh
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d'oh yes meant chris marsh.
 
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Deity

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #592
Grendel said:
There is one person I’d describe as an ITK on these matters and he has posted that it was the new directors decision to remove him
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Which is what a number of us suspect. This is the new variable.
 

Hobo

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #593
Deity said:
I don’t have any inside info.

I do know that after 7 years of relative success it’s odd that Viveash has left with no comments from him, Robins, the players etc …. It’s not our comms style.

It’s got all the hallmarks of a compromise agreement statement ….

We have also not heard from either of the new coaches, again not the clubs normal style.
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And what if it is a compromise statement?
Perhaps the new coaches prefer not to make big statements? Perhaps the club feels it is better to leave that for later?

It is no doubt a big change. If they give Adi a big fanfare would that undermine the new coaches coming in? If they go big on the new coaches would that be disrespectful to the out going Adi?

I think the club are just trying to let the dust settle and give fans time to adjust to the change. I'm sure even if statements were made people would still have their own theories?
 
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skybluecam

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #594
Deity said:
Which is what a number of us suspect. This is the new variable.
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Suspect?

The club said as much in the statement. There's no conspiracy here...

Coventry City can confirm that, following a post season review, it has decided to revamp its coaching structure, with assistant manager Adi Viveash today leaving the Club.
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torchomatic

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  • Jul 3, 2024
  • #595
djr8369 said:
Who is the guys looks to be in his 50s stood next to MR? He seemed to be the one leading the changing room celebration after the Wolves win
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Kitman.
 
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