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Vincelot - First Half (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter Nick
  • Start date Jan 13, 2016
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Nick

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #1
Was it a foul or accidental? It looked like the defender took him out but haven't seen a replay yet.

The referee didn't seem that interested,.
 

I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #2
Nick said:
Was it a foul or accidental? It looked like the defender took him out but haven't seen a replay yet.

The referee didn't seem that interested,.
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Definite body check but seems common place now, not the same but how many times Stokes did it 'well' last night ( or any defender blocks, holds a player off to run a ball out for a goal kick) not sure how that's not a foul no international of playing the ball do that to a defender or keeper in the box would be a free kick.
 

Otis

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #3
I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
Definite body check but seems common place now, not the same but how many times Stokes did it 'well' last night ( or any defender blocks, holds a player off to run a ball out for a goal kick) not sure how that's not a foul no international of playing the ball do that to a defender or keeper in the box would be a free kick.
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He walked straight into him as far as I could see. Stokes on the other hand was shielding the ball out.

Don't think it is quite the same thing. Vincelot was running at pace and Chambers just stepped out, the Stokes type incident is more a case of two players tussling for the ball and one blocking the player to stop him getting to the ball.

Thought the Chambers thing was quite cynical.
 

I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #4
Otis said:
He walked straight into him as far as I could see. Stokes on the other hand was shielding the ball out.

Don't think it is quite the same thing. Vincelot was running at pace and Chambers just stepped out, the Stokes type incident is more a case of two players tussling for the ball and one blocking the player to stop him getting to the ball.

Thought the Chambers thing was quite cynical.
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I'm not comparing the incidents just that blocking & 'shielding' even if it results in the defender turning 90 degrees to fend off the attacker without having intent to play the ball is common
Place now bit like taking throw ins with a 20 yards radius of where it went out more of an observation than anything.
 

Nick

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #5
I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
I'm not comparing the incidents just that blocking & 'shielding' even if it results in the defender turning 90 degrees to fend off the attacker without having intent to play the ball is common
Place now bit like taking throw ins with a 20 yards radius of where it went out more of an observation than anything.
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Not as bad as taking the corners outside the area....
 

Otis

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #6
I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
I'm not comparing the incidents just that blocking & 'shielding' even if it results in the defender turning 90 degrees to fend off the attacker without having intent to play the ball is common
Place now bit like taking throw ins with a 20 yards radius of where it went out more of an observation than anything.
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Yeah. Annoys me. All these niggly little things. Stop someone going for the ball anywhere else on the pitch and you block them and it is usually a foul. Shield the ball out for a goal kick and it's all good seemingly.
 

I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #7
Nick said:
Not as bad as taking the corners outside the area....
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That as well.

Oppo players walking away with the ball 20 yards and dropping it then kicking it back in the direction of the offence like a 2 year old kicking a ball for the first time.

All 'part of the modern game' I know but tedious to watch as a fan.
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #8
Nick said:
Not as bad as taking the corners outside the area....
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that is allowed, so long as part of the ball is in the corner area (even if that part is not in contact with the ground)
 

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #9
Otis said:
Yeah. Annoys me. All these niggly little things. Stop someone going for the ball anywhere else on the pitch and you block them and it is usually a foul. Shield the ball out for a goal kick and it's all good seemingly.
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Pretty sure Fortune's entire role is shielding the ball without any intention of playing it. It's not even holding it up, he just holds off the defender and watches the ball stay on the spot.
 
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Deleted member 2477

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #10
What has fortune got over tm. He plays nearly every game and yet does absolutely nothing effectively
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #11
skybluesam66 said:
that is allowed, so long as part of the ball is in the corner area (even if that part is not in contact with the ground)
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marcusp said:
What has fortune got over tm. He plays nearly every game and yet does absolutely nothing effectively
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Nearly every game? Really?
 

Warwickhunt

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #12
Otis said:
He walked straight into him as far as I could see. Stokes on the other hand was shielding the ball out.

Don't think it is quite the same thing. Vincelot was running at pace and Chambers just stepped out, the Stokes type incident is more a case of two players tussling for the ball and one blocking the player to stop him getting to the ball.

Thought the Chambers thing was quite cynical.
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Chambers leg was actually across the top of Vincelots Thighs! I could see without any blocked view the guy Chambers knew exactly what he was doing and decided on taking one for the team ang got lucky the Referee was Stevie Wonders Love child, if you think about it Chambers got booked a bit later for a totally innocuous challenge why! cos the bloody ref knew he got it wrong earlier on. I get pissed off with referees with no bottle
 

Brylowes

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #13
Otis said:
He walked straight into him as far as I could see. Stokes on the other hand was shielding the ball out.

Don't think it is quite the same thing. Vincelot was running at pace and Chambers just stepped out, the Stokes type incident is more a case of two players tussling for the ball and one blocking the player to stop him getting to the ball.

Thought the Chambers thing was quite cynical.
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Definitely not the same thing.very cynical just acted as a dead-end,Brave tho
 
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Hadji10

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #14
Foul. Vincelot is shagged after about 55 mins. Always brilliant first half then completely dies. Needs to conserve his energy better.
 

JimmyHillsbeard

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #15
Warwickhunt said:
Chambers leg was actually across the top of Vincelots Thighs! I could see without any blocked view the guy Chambers knew exactly what he was doing and decided on taking one for the team ang got lucky the Referee was Stevie Wonders Love child, if you think about it Chambers got booked a bit later for a totally innocuous challenge why! cos the bloody ref knew he got it wrong earlier on. I get pissed off with referees with no bottle
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He was booked for pulling back Murphy after he had got away from him on the half way line. Absolutely not innocuous but deliberate professional foul. More pertinently he would not have dared to touch Murphy had he been booked for any of the three free kicks he conceded in the first half (and this doesn't include the body check on Vincelot as the referee deemed that not to be a foul).
 

Otis

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #16
JimmyHillsbeard said:
He was booked for pulling back Murphy after he had got away from him on the half way line. Absolutely not innocuous but deliberate professional foul. More pertinently he would not have dared to touch Murphy had he been booked for any of the three free kicks he conceded in the first half (and this doesn't include the body check on Vincelot as the referee deemed that not to be a foul).
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I can't stop laughing at that last sentence because it is so laughable. How can anyone not deem that a foul!
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #17
Warwickhunt said:
Chambers leg was actually across the top of Vincelots Thighs! I could see without any blocked view the guy Chambers knew exactly what he was doing and decided on taking one for the team ang got lucky the Referee was Stevie Wonders Love child, if you think about it Chambers got booked a bit later for a totally innocuous challenge why! cos the bloody ref knew he got it wrong earlier on. I get pissed off with referees with no bottle
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The foul he got booked for was pretty cynical too. It was the one where Murphy was just starting a counter attack wasn't it?
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #18
JimmyHillsbeard said:
He was booked for pulling back Murphy after he had got away from him on the half way line. Absolutely not innocuous but deliberate professional foul. More pertinently he would not have dared to touch Murphy had he been booked for any of the three free kicks he conceded in the first half (and this doesn't include the body check on Vincelot as the referee deemed that not to be a foul).
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Beat me to it. Should really read a whole thread before replying
 
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georgehudson

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #19
whilst every team needs a hard man, that Chambers thug could & should have been booked in the first half, he got away with it though & continued it in the second half, once again we had a referee who did very little to protect players
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #20
Chambers was dirty last night and should have been sent off, 3 or 4 fouls that were easily bookings he got away with. Think it was him that also cleaned Cole out early on with a sliding challenge that was 100% a booking offence/
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #21
Is Chambers their number 7? If so
he was a complete nobhead. All game long he was making cynical challenges and just generally being dirty.

It's extremely frustrating that players do this do us (Chesterfield captain both games) and always seem to get away with it.
 

stevefloyd

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  • Jan 13, 2016
  • #22
but there again he was a spoiler in the Savage mode.. everybody hates a spoiler unless he's playing for your team
 
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georgehudson

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  • Jan 14, 2016
  • #23
i don't mind having to play against spoilers, i just wish the referees would have balls enough to show the relevant card early enough, then if they continue, as per Chambers, show the second card early enough for it to hurt the offending team.
Fleck is on the verge of a ban, but you'd hardly call him a spoiler, it's all a sad reflection of the piss poor refereeing we have to put up with.
if the adage that things will even themselves out over the season then CCFC are due favourable decisions for the rest of the season
 
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