To state the obvious, you want to peak towards the end of the season when the most games are, right?Why on earth is that 'clear'!
Problem is we’re giving the league a third of the season head start. It’s all well and good peaking at the end but that just limits us to pushing for the play offs.To state the obvious, you want to peak towards the end of the season when the most games are, right?
We’ve started slowly every season (barring season 2 in Championship). Even the year we won League 1, we won our first away game in December (v Wycombe). Particularly when we were rubbish (pre 2011/12), how many times did we win the league by September and tail off?
So how do you think he 'sets the team up' different at the start and end of the season?To state the obvious, you want to peak towards the end of the season when the most games are, right?
We’ve started slowly every season (barring season 2 in Championship). Even the year we won League 1, we won our first away game in December (v Wycombe). Particularly when we were rubbish (pre 2011/12), how many times did we win the league by September and tail off?
To state the even more obvious, if you’re consistently good throughout the season you’ll probably end up near the top.To state the obvious, you want to peak towards the end of the season when the most games are, right?
We’ve started slowly every season (barring season 2 in Championship). Even the year we won League 1, we won our first away game in December (v Wycombe). Particularly when we were rubbish (pre 2011/12), how many times did we win the league by September and tail off?
In fact - during the league one season we rarely dropped out of the play offs all seasonTo state the obvious, you want to peak towards the end of the season when the most games are, right?
We’ve started slowly every season (barring season 2 in Championship). Even the year we won League 1, we won our first away game in December (v Wycombe). Particularly when we were rubbish (pre 2011/12), how many times did we win the league by September and tail off?
The Ipswich comparison is an anomaly.Problem is we’re giving the league a third of the season head start. It’s all well and good peaking at the end but that just limits us to pushing for the play offs.
Ipswich showed the way last season. Arguably you’re better getting ahead of the league
Ipswich yes - but the idea is the same. Teams invariably do better when playing for the whole 46 game season. Not from game 15 onwardsThe Ipswich comparison is an anomaly.
I don't think anyone connected with the club would have said they would go up automatically last season .
Which is not automatics. The reality is we entered the automatics and then top spot 2-3 weeks before the season ended. In relative terms, it’s a ‘slow start’.In fact - during the league one season we rarely dropped out of the play offs all season
True - but we maintained touching distance throughout the season. We didn’t start 25 points back at any point - which is what we’ve done the last two season.Which is not automatics. The reality is we entered the automatics and then top spot 2-3 weeks before the season ended. In relative terms, it’s a ‘slow start’.
It’s probably fitness related, the club probably plans to have players peaking leading up to Xmas period (for arguments sake). We’ve just had the olympics, so for context, athletes will often plan their cycles with the big events in mind so will often be performing at 80-90% in between those periods. The principles are more or less the same here.So how do you think he 'sets the team up' different at the start and end of the season?
It’s been 1 game and this is your reaction. Perhaps revisit these feelings after 10 games. Last season and the season before were different contexts entirely.Problem is we’re giving the league a third of the season head start. It’s all well and good peaking at the end but that just limits us to pushing for the play offs.
Ipswich showed the way last season. Arguably you’re better getting ahead of the league
Again I’ve said before - I’m confident. It’s more in relation to how we’ve started the seasons and talking about “peaking” as you’ve said we’ll see where we are in 10 gamesIt’s probably fitness related, the club probably plans to have players peaking leading up to Xmas period (for arguments sake). We’ve just had the olympics, so for context, athletes will often plan their cycles with the big events in mind so will often be performing at 80-90% in between those periods. The principles are more or less the same here.
It’s been 1 game and this is your reaction. Perhaps revisit these feelings after 10 games. Last season and the season before were different contexts entirely.
We lost one game which should’ve been a bore draw given that we didn’t concede in the first half.
Have patience and trust that Robins knows what he’s doing.
It’s such a shame he’s right footed.
I don’t think we’ll be good enough for automatics this season even if we sign 2 marquee players. Top 4 is realistic with those extra bodies that add quality, as I’ve said in previous threads, we haven’t actually improved our midfield or defensive options from last season. So I agree on those points and expect us to make signings before the deadline.Again I’ve said before - I’m confident. It’s more in relation to how we’ve started the seasons and talking about “peaking” as you’ve said we’ll see where we are in 10 games
there are obvious issues still. It was clear last season we needed to replace Hamer. We still haven’t - it’s glaringly obvious without Sheaf our CM is desperately weak - hopefully before the window is closed we bring in a new one
we need to keep in touch. We need 20 points from the next 9 games. Stoke was frustratingly one we could target 3 points.
First 10 games: W5 D5 L0.Which is not automatics. The reality is we entered the automatics and then top spot 2-3 weeks before the season ended. In relative terms, it’s a ‘slow start’.
I don’t expect us to get autos - I don’t rule it out. I think we can compete, I don’t think there’s anything to fear and that we have an opportunity, but the problem is the slow startsI don’t think we’ll be good enough for automatics this season even if we sign 2 marquee players. Top 4 is realistic with those extra bodies that add quality, as I’ve said in previous threads, we haven’t actually improved our midfield or defensive options from last season. So I agree on those points and expect us to make signings before the deadline.
Comparing the team’s depth to relegated teams and Leeds, it’ll be a struggle to compete over 46 games. Our team was more or less at full strength against Stoke and after bringing on Wright, BTA and Eccles, there wasn’t any game changers on the bench, Palmer at a push.
Torp was poorer than Allen on Saturday.I can take players trying things that don't come off, Torp tried nothing at all. He seemed to avoid the ball. It's mental that Allen bore the brunt of the criticism on here despite being the player to show for the ball from the centre backs. If Torp doesn't fancy doing that he is plainly not up to it.
The operative word was relatively.First 10 games: W5 D5 L0.
Don't try and spin that as a "slow start".
The operative word was relatively.
We were out of the playoffs for more games than we were in the automatics and it was only around Xmas that year we stormed to top spot. Likewise, in 22/23 we spent less time in the playoffs than QPR who finished 20th.
Let’s be honest, the L1 season, not many people believed we’d go up automatically until quite late.
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Even that shows the lowest position of 9th. In fact I’d argue it shows the importance of a fast start. It meant we were able to ride the two defeats and keep momentumThe operative word was relatively.
We were out of the playoffs for more games than we were in the automatics and it was only around Xmas that year we stormed to top spot. Likewise, in 22/23 we spent less time in the playoffs than QPR who finished 20th.
Let’s be honest, the L1 season, not many people believed we’d go up automatically until quite late.
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But it's not a slow start is it?The operative word was relatively.
We were out of the playoffs for more games than we were in the automatics and it was only around Xmas that year we stormed to top spot. Likewise, in 22/23 we spent less time in the playoffs than QPR who finished 20th.
Let’s be honest, the L1 season, not many people believed we’d go up automatically until quite late.
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He's not setting up the team to play better later on in the season that's not how football works .. he has absolutely no control over that .To state the obvious, you want to peak towards the end of the season when the most games are, right?
We’ve started slowly every season (barring season 2 in Championship). Even the year we won League 1, we won our first away game in December (v Wycombe). Particularly when we were rubbish (pre 2011/12), how many times did we win the league by September and tail off?
First 10 games: W5 D5 L0.
Don't try and spin that as a "slow start".
And what would be the benefit of it? If we were losing at the start I’m not sure it’s part of robins game planHe's not setting up the team to play better later on in the season that's not how football works .. he has absolutely no control over that .
I mentioned on Saturday that for a period of time in the 2nd half on Saturday Delaney was in the technical area (Robins sitting on bench, Delaney is clearly the assistant manager in all but name).The team had the best of the game during that spell tbh.A good number of these types of things were also written about Sheaf in his first season. While some suggestion that the manager’s instructions are contributing might be taboo on here, they can’t be ignored either.
Of course it’s a big season we’re the 3rd biggest spenders in the league this year and 2nd biggest last season.Jesus, I've heard it all now. We're purposely having bad starts so that we can have better finishes?It's as simple as this... we try and win every league game but sometimes we just don't.
The fact that people are even talking about robins having pressure this season is bizarre to me. We're in a group of about 15 teams that have a chance of going up.. 3 will. If we don't this year then I'd still want Robins to be the one to have another crack next year.
And for the original thread, I think Torp is a good player and will have a decent season.
It is, you compare to other seasons and we’d have been out of touch the years where the points tallies were higher.But it's not a slow start is it?
It's a very good start, then a regression, then another improvement.
If anything it shows the importance of having that good start, which allows you to go through some poor form mid season and still finish highly. When you start poorly you don't have that opportunity.
Let’s revisit the threads from that season and see if people felt that way at the time. I don’t think many people felt that way before we went and won 8 of our last 9 games. Only one team drew more games than us that season.But it's not a slow start is it?
It's a very good start, then a regression, then another improvement.
If anything it shows the importance of having that good start, which allows you to go through some poor form mid season and still finish highly. When you start poorly you don't have that opportunity.
The Rotherham game was the worst we’d played all season - and to this day I don’t know how we lost to Tranmere. We absolutely battered them.It is, you compare to other seasons and we’d have been out of touch the years where the points tallies were higher.
We strung together a really good run of consecutive wins against teams around us that allowed us to go and win the league. Before that 8-1-0 run we were in playoff contention, not automatic promotion.
Our record before that amazing run was 10-12-3 so over 25 games our PPG was 1.68 which is below the PPG for automatic promotion. Bearing in mind our record was 2 PPG after 10 games, our form dropped off significantly between October and December. So yeah, it’s fair to say it was a slow start.
Let’s revisit the threads from that season and see if people felt that way at the time. I don’t think many people felt that way before we went and won 8 of our last 9 games. Only one team drew more games than us that season.
Also, we lost our 11th and 12th games and I’m sure everyone felt we were on course for automatics when we got battered 4-0 against Rotherham and then 1-0 v Tranmere.
Further on this, you could argue robins takes a bit longer to get the best out of his players as opposed to setting up that way. Take last year once we changed shape and played more direct we started to fly but it took robins some time to realise it wasn’t workingProblem is we’re giving the league a third of the season head start. It’s all well and good peaking at the end but that just limits us to pushing for the play offs.
Ipswich showed the way last season. Arguably you’re better getting ahead of the league
I’m assuming you’ve never heard of something called periodisation?He's not setting up the team to play better later on in the season that's not how football works .. he has absolutely no control over that .
Weirdly I’m sure we’ve changed shape every season under robinsFurther on this, you could argue robins takes a bit longer to get the best out of his players as opposed to setting up that way. Take last year once we changed shape and played more direct we started to fly but it took robins some time to realise it wasn’t working
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