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SwanLane

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #36
Hobo said:
What I really like about Simms is he really occupies defenders and pulls them around all over the place. We haven't had that type of forward for a long time.

Even when he was off the pace early on, we looked more likely to get goals when he came on than when he was off the pitch. He has that ability to open things up for others.
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He also exudes calm and seems super focused. I must admit, I was a bit surprised how wayward his first touch was at times but I think that was where lack of confidence was showing. And 100%, he either scores or pulls defences apart. I’ve always loved a striker who can rough up centre halves. They don’t like it up ‘em!
 
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Chris1987

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37
SwanLane said:
He also exudes calm and seems super focused. I must admit, I was a bit surprised how wayward his first touch was at times but I think that was where lack of confidence was showing. And 100%, he either scores or pulls defences apart. I’ve always loved a striker who can rough up centre halves. They don’t like it up ‘em!
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His confidence grew as the season went on and he really began to put himself about . He's a proper handful for any defence and his overall game improved hugely over last season. He's developed a great understanding with Haji and this combined with Saka coming back will push him on even further . As I've said elsewhere our attack looks extremely strong.
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #38
Quality player. Will do well next season.
 

Chris1987

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #39
Cally Fedora said:
Quality player. Will do well next season.
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The Kiwi could be the same
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #40
I have seen enough of Torp to know with the right pre season and coaching he will be class.
 
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Great_Expectations

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #41
I’m a sucker for players who can pick a pass and are technically sound. That’s exactly what Torp is.

He will have a big, big season this year.

Sheaf Torp Stamenic

Thats a ball playing midfield (albeit harsh on Eccles).
 
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Deity

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #42
Great_Expectations said:
I’m a sucker for players who can pick a pass and are technically sound. That’s exactly what Torp is.

He will have a big, big season this year.

Sheaf Torp Stamenic

Thats a ball playing midfield (albeit harsh on Eccles).
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This.
 
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Hobo

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #43
Great_Expectations said:
I’m a sucker for players who can pick a pass and are technically sound. That’s exactly what Torp is.

He will have a big, big season this year.

Sheaf Torp Stamenic

Thats a ball playing midfield (albeit harsh on Eccles).
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From what I see Eccles is quickly catching up with Sheaf. Sheaf does one role. But Eccles was introduced as a wing back, then his more natural defensive midfield role. Then towards the end of last season in a more advanced wide role?

Still some rough edges to smooth out but I think long term Eccles has more potential than Sheaf? Another big season for Eccles and he needs to step up again.

I remember early on in his first season Mark Robins was asked what he thought Eccles potential was? His reply was something like, "Anything he wants to be. It's down to what he believes he can be."

Mark Robins doesn't really big youngsters up. But I felt he had full confidence in Eccles attributes and the only ingredients missing were confidence and belief.
 
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Chris1987

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #44
I think that the difference this season is that it will be more about the squad than previously. I've got a feeling that there will be more serious competition for first team starts.
 

Boicey

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #45
It’s difficult to coach ‘sharpness’ and pre season games aren’t usually that high tempo or physically competitive. (maybe he can strengthen up in the gym).
He basically needs plenty of Championship games and lots more time on the pitch.
His Championship games last season, only 1 assist in 15 games, wasn’t spectacular so he’s got plenty to work on to go up a level or two.
 

Great_Expectations

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #46
Hobo said:
From what I see Eccles is quickly catching up with Sheaf. Sheaf does one role. But Eccles was introduced as a wing back, then his more natural defensive midfield role. Then towards the end of last season in a more advanced wide role?

Still some rough edges to smooth out but I think long term Eccles has more potential than Sheaf? Another big season for Eccles and he needs to step up again.

I remember early on in his first season Mark Robins was asked what he thought Eccles potential was? His reply was something like, "Anything he wants to be. It's down to what he believes he can be."

Mark Robins doesn't really big youngsters up. But I felt he had full confidence in Eccles attributes and the only ingredients missing were confidence and belief.
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Eccles is definitely improving and his developmental last season was the most significant, there was a clear step up in his play.

He probably has more to his all round game than Sheaf (for example he’s happy to make forward runs) but he isn’t as good as Sheaf on the ball or technically in my view.

I really hope he continues to develop and does so with us.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #47
Great_Expectations said:
Eccles is definitely improving and his developmental last season was the most significant, there was a clear step up in his play.

He probably has more to his all round game than Sheaf (for example he’s happy to make forward runs) but he isn’t as good as Sheaf on the ball or technically in my view.

I really hope he continues to develop and does so with us.
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Sheaf’s stat wheel shows that in the Championship, he’s the best defensive playmaker in the league - in the 95%+ in a lot of facets in the stat wheel. I’ve not seen Eccles stat wheel but it’s probably not as good as Sheaf’s.

The next level for Sheaf and Eccles to improve in the final third - neither get many assists from open play nor many goals. A quick comparison of all our CMs and AMs this season v Hamer in 22/23 tells a story. Last season you had Hamer and Vik dragging us through games.
 

Hutch11

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #48
I might be an old fogey but I'm an Eccles fan boy , he's just getting better and better
Love the kid
 
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Hobo

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #49
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Sheaf’s stat wheel shows that in the Championship, he’s the best defensive playmaker in the league - in the 95%+ in a lot of facets in the stat wheel. I’ve not seen Eccles stat wheel but it’s probably not as good as Sheaf’s.

The next level for Sheaf and Eccles to improve in the final third - neither get many assists from open play nor many goals. A quick comparison of all our CMs and AMs this season v Hamer in 22/23 tells a story. Last season you had Hamer and Vik dragging us through games.
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Or you could wonder what Eccles stat wheel was like last season compared to Sheaf's two seasons ago?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #50
Torp reminds me a lot of a young ross barkley at everton......
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #51
Hobo said:
Or you could wonder what Eccles stat wheel was like last season compared to Sheaf's two seasons ago?
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I’ll let you do the legwork for that…
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #52
With a pre-season to up his fitness and tactical understanding I'm hoping we'll be seeing Torp's better performances on a more consistent basis next season.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #53
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Sheaf’s stat wheel shows that in the Championship, he’s the best defensive playmaker in the league - in the 95%+ in a lot of facets in the stat wheel. I’ve not seen Eccles stat wheel but it’s probably not as good as Sheaf’s.

The next level for Sheaf and Eccles to improve in the final third - neither get many assists from open play nor many goals. A quick comparison of all our CMs and AMs this season v Hamer in 22/23 tells a story. Last season you had Hamer and Vik dragging us through games.
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You are absolutely clueless.
 

Joy Division

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #54
Needs a new song though
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #55
Great_Expectations said:
Eccles is definitely improving and his developmental last season was the most significant, there was a clear step up in his play.

He probably has more to his all round game than Sheaf (for example he’s happy to make forward runs) but he isn’t as good as Sheaf on the ball or technically in my view.

I really hope he continues to develop and does so with us.
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Not sure if this is the best source but.
 

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skyblu3sk

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #56
Eccles Vs 2years ago Sheaf

 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #57
24 Vs 24
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #58
Saddlebrains said:
Anyone else expecting big things this season?

Hes given us glimpses of real quality, and with a couple of months rest and a full pre season behind him I think we will have a real player

Fair to judge him around November time would you say?
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Yep.

He'll benefit from a full pre season, also hopefully a better and stronger 11. He definitely has quality, hopefully he can show it!
 
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bukayosakamoto

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #59
I think Torp would do better than Kasey Palmer in the 10 if I'm honest
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #60
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Torp reminds me a lot of a young ross barkley at everton......
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Uncanny.... but its also the way he covers the ground and hits a pass....

Let's hope he turns out to be as good
 

Torquay Sky Blue

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #61
bukayosakamoto said:
I think Torp would do better than Kasey Palmer in the 10 if I'm honest
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Couldn't agree more. He showed quality against Man U and Palmer's one in five good performances are beginning to get a bit tedious
 

SleepyGinger

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #62
bukayosakamoto said:
I think Torp would do better than Kasey Palmer in the 10 if I'm honest
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He definitely isn’t a 10
 
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #63
On the pace argument I’d say Bobby Thomas has a bit of it, the way he’s one end for a corner and the other team hits the counter his recovery running is rapid the amount of times he’s stopped a counter attack or got back in time to slow it
 

BlueSkiesForever

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #64
Great_Expectations said:
I’m a sucker for players who can pick a pass and are technically sound. That’s exactly what Torp is.

He will have a big, big season this year.

Sheaf Torp Stamenic

Thats a ball playing midfield (albeit harsh on Eccles).
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Couldn’t agree more, we need a midfield that’s confident on the ball and can pick out passes for our attackers to score from, not players that pass the ball sideways for the sake of it. I think Torp will be cracking for us this season, him, Sheaf and Stamenic in midfield would be great to see if Stamenic gels in well.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #65
skyblu3sk said:
24 Vs 24
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So basically Sheaf slightly ahead of Eccles this season, and Eccles slightly ahead of the Sheaf of two years ago.
 
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #66
Who makes those stat Polygram things, do they think they could do a Torp vs Hamer (first year) and an Eccles vs Sheaf (at 24)
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #67
Deleted member 9744 said:
So basically Sheaf slightly ahead of Eccles this season, and Eccles slightly ahead of the Sheaf of two years ago.
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That's how I'm reading it yes shows Eccles is really coming on.
 
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bukayosakamoto

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  • Jun 8, 2024
  • #68
SleepyGinger said:
He definitely isn’t a 10
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I never said he was, I'm saying I think Torp would do better as a 10 than KP does
 

skyblueeyesrevisited

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  • Jun 9, 2024
  • #69
Well apparently Torp thinks he’s a 10. But what the hell does he know?
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 9, 2024
  • #70
Deleted member 9744 said:
So basically Sheaf slightly ahead of Eccles this season, and Eccles slightly ahead of the Sheaf of two years ago.
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Which does show the flaw in cold statistical data
 
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