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Paxman II · Nov 11, 2020

Not sure if this has a thread somewhere, but is VAR spoilng the game?
Should it be abandoned?

Evo1883 · Nov 11, 2020

Paxman II said:
Not sure if this has a thread somewhere, but is VAR spoilng the game?
Should it be abandoned?

Yes and yes

SBT · Nov 11, 2020

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ccfcricoh · Nov 11, 2020

Yes and no!

I think VAR certainly has a place in the game and could improve where football was a few years ago.

However, it is completely ruining the game in its current form, needs significant changes to how it is being used

no_loyalty · Nov 11, 2020

Keep it, but refresh the offside and deliberate hand ball rules.

shmmeee · Nov 11, 2020

ccfcricoh said:
Yes and no!

I think VAR certainly has a place in the game and could improve where football was a few years ago.

However, it is completely ruining the game in its current form, needs significant changes to how it is being used

This.

Referees are generally terrible and VAR is needed for big calls. Especially now they can be worth hundreds of millions of pounds. But the way it’s used and some of the ridiculous decisions it’s clearly not working at all.

stevefloyd · Nov 11, 2020

it could have been an improvement but its a joke and sometimes takes over 3 minutes for a decision

Kieranp96 · Nov 11, 2020

It's a great addition, but they seriously need to get on same wave length not change every single game.

SkyBlueSam01 · Nov 11, 2020

Captains of each team should have say 3 appeals per game, used for whatever decisions they wish. That way decisions only get overturned if the opposition actually felt aggrieved by something, and would need to be sure about their claims before using up an appeal.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 11, 2020

Paxman II said:
Not sure if this has a thread somewhere, but is VAR spoilng the game?
Should it be abandoned?

As it's being used yes it is ruining the game.

It could enhance the game if used properly but the way it's being incorporated is almost like it's designed to deliberately be shit so it gets scrapped.

Could easily be tweaked to run a lot smoother and less intrusively.

Travs · Nov 11, 2020

Scrap it. Game has got massively worse over past couple of years. Teams having appeals would be abused, used at end of games for tactical purposes to break up play. It can't be left up to the clubs to behave in that way... i read on the 5 Subs thread about subs only being allowed if players were injured... if that came back, there'd be players going down all over the shop after an hour (or 87 mins in our case).

Add in the handball and offside rules which are an utter shambles... football really has gone backwards. It will always be the national sport, but sadly i feel absolutely nothing for it nowadays. Would genuinely prefer Villa to win the league than any of the Big 6, just to spite them and the tv companies who fawn over them.

Esoterica · Nov 11, 2020

SkyBlueSam01 said:
Captains of each team should have say 3 appeals per game, used for whatever decisions they wish. That way decisions only get overturned if the opposition actually felt aggrieved by something, and would need to be sure about their claims before using up an appeal.

How would you make that work for fouls, which are essentially subjective decisions?

larry_david · Nov 11, 2020

For me the first thing should be. If there's a goal that, to prove it's offside you have to draw 1,2,3 lines and then bend them to make a point, it's onside and fucking get on with it.

SkyBlueSam01 · Nov 11, 2020

Esoterica said:
How would you make that work for fouls, which are essentially subjective decisions?

Fair point but I'd say if a team feels a foul should have been given they could use a review and ask the ref to take another look at it

Macca · Nov 11, 2020

Referees are terrible yet 4 pundits with years of experience playing the game can’t agree after 20 replays?

ccfc1234 · Nov 11, 2020

ccfcricoh said:
Yes and no!

I think VAR certainly has a place in the game and could improve where football was a few years ago.

However, it is completely ruining the game in its current form, needs significant changes to how it is being used

Agree would it work if each team had 3 challenges per game to review decisions. Challenge a call within 30 secondsor play continues.

Adge · Nov 11, 2020

Macca said:
Referees are terrible yet 4 pundits with years of experience playing the game can’t agree after 20 replays?

And they-the pundits, are the problem! Wittering on about a referee decision for 5 minutes and not knowing the Laws of the game themselves which is ironic.
For years they have been responsible for scrutinising referees and are partly responsible for the introduction of VAR.
Now it’s here (and here to stay) they don’t like it.

Hobo · Nov 11, 2020

Refs need to ref take responsibility for decisions and not rely on it.

I would like to put the emphasis on teams. You can ask the ref to refer to Var on two occassions per half. If you waste them tough that is it and you have to rely on the ref.

Most teams will keep it to the big decisions.

For off side there should be daylight between attacker and defender...not his arm was outstretched and his hand was off side.

Johhny Blue · Nov 12, 2020

SkyBlueSam01 said:
Fair point but I'd say if a team feels a foul should have been given they could use a review and ask the ref to take another look at it

Maybe instead of rushing a decision the ref could take a long look the following day and give a decision within 72 hrs

DionDublinsJockstrap · Nov 12, 2020

I would go for two options.

Firstly limit VAR to awarded penalties, given red cards, and goal line calls.

If we retain it in it’s scope I would amend the VAR process to real time reviews only (no slow motion) and there has to be a clear and obvious error

Macca · Nov 12, 2020

Sort the rules out. That’s the root cause

Bertola · Nov 12, 2020

I'd go for the cricket approach. Give each team two reviews to use throughout a game. Players generally know when something is wrong, so this would stop the horrendous errors being missed, but wouldn't necessarily see goals like Bamfords at the weekend ruled out as teams would be unlikely to use up a review on something so marginal

fernandopartridge · Nov 12, 2020

I think it should be abandoned entirely. Football is a game, players make spontaneous decisions which affect the outcome with no 2nd chance, so why would referees be any different?

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 12, 2020

Call me a dinosaur, but part of the appeal of football is the we woz robbed chat afterwards.

Take that away, and you take away part of its soul

jimmyhillsfanclub · Nov 12, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Call me a dinosaur, but part of the appeal of football is the we woz robbed chat afterwards.

Take that away, and you take away part of its soul

Yep....except it hasn't even taken away the "we woz robbed" aspect.......its just now we woz robbed by some anonymous divvy watching slo-mo repeats remotely on screen.....

"The VARs a wanker....the VARs a wanker" doesn't quite cut it for me

Magwitch · Nov 12, 2020

But it’s saturated tv that’s eventually brought this farce in, ref makes a decision based on what he sees and the angle he has seen it from as they have done for years at all levels and it’s highlighted from a load of different angles at slow speed and then managers belly aching about them so they come up with this v a r and now that’s thrown up debates and controversy. There will never be a perfect scenerio. I think the only thing
v a r is useful for is goal line ball in or out but even then we have had controversy. It’s a funny old game.

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Nov 12, 2020

Bertola said:
I'd go for the cricket approach. Give each team two reviews to use throughout a game. Players generally know when something is wrong, so this would stop the horrendous errors being missed, but wouldn't necessarily see goals like Bamfords at the weekend ruled out as teams would be unlikely to use up a review on something so marginal

How many games require more than 2 uses though? Most of the obscene calls are the only time VAR is used in that specific game, it's just been used horribly. If both teams have two reviews, there will still be the same amount of reviews as there are currently.

Johhny Blue · Nov 12, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Call me a dinosaur, but part of the appeal of football is the we woz robbed chat afterwards.

Take that away, and you take away part of its soul

I agree but I don't remember ever saying "They woz robbed"
It's Cov innit

Johhny Blue · Nov 12, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Yep....except it hasn't even taken away the "we woz robbed" aspect.......its just now we woz robbed by some anonymous divvy watching slo-mo repeats remotely on screen.....

"The VARs a wanker....the VARs a wanker" doesn't quite cut it for me

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SkyBlueSam01 · Nov 12, 2020

Johhny Blue said:
Maybe instead of rushing a decision the ref could take a long look the following day and give a decision within 72 hrs

Weak response

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