I get the arguments about not escalating the conflict, I really do, but it's very hard not to feel in some way complicit in this.
There's no legitimacy to attacking a children's hospital, at what point do you have to say 'enough'.
Maybe we need to play Putin at his own game, offer as much direct military support to Ukraine as we can (offensive, defensive, cyber, planes, drones, artillery, missiles, political destabilisation, whatever) whilst absolutely denying that we're doing it.
I don't know, maybe that's daft, or maybe we're already doing it, but the seeming shambles around getting them a few jets doesn't exactly fill me with hope...
I’ve always felt we/NATO could have left our involvement/interference a bit more ambiguous and put some lines in the sand around targeting civilians and nuclear reactors for example.
However I also wonder whether Putin wants us to get involved so he could argue he’s been proven right, nato are pushing too far East/ threatening Russia and that’s why he invaded in the first place. Who knows what that cunts thinking
Yup. Corbyn is definitely going to go down as one of the worst UK prime ministers ever isn't he.I support the stop the war coalition
Di you think Vladimir Putin is running that? Wow me and Zara Sultana and Richard Burgon all best buddies
So you agree Jeremy Corbyn was in bed with Russia so by definition anyone on here who backed Corbyn supports Russian shills.
that’s very offensive to a lot of people on here do you have any evidence?
You really should unignore him.
Then speak his posts out loud in the voice of Alan Partridge.
So funny.
Maybe both are wrong? We should be calling out about Yemen and Syria and Palestine still too
ignore the weirdo and his vauxhall conference whataboutery
"how is it in ROI these days, Lynne?"how is it in ROI these days
you know it’s coming Lynneyou know it’s coming
you know it’s coming Lynne
how is it in ROI these dayshow is it in ROI these days
what’s funny is people on this forum justify supporting an admitted Ira sympathiser on the basis he claims to have a left wing viewpoint
yes that’s funny
I’ve always felt we/NATO could have left our involvement/interference a bit more ambiguous and put some lines in the sand around targeting civilians and nuclear reactors for example.
However I also wonder whether Putin wants us to get involved so he could argue he’s been proven right, nato are pushing too far East/ threatening Russia and that’s why he invaded in the first place. Who knows what that cunts thinking
I’m amazed that Boris lad man of the people hasn’t done it yet.Speak of ROI - they have announced a substantial fuel duty cut to help out their population with their own cost of living crisis.
The definition of a man who pulls up the ladder that helped him so no-one else can benefit.What a cnut
Says a Tory MP who was born on 24 January 1972 in Warsaw and who came to Britain with his mother, Halina Kawczynski, at the age of six. Literally no shame.
What is it with these Tory MPs who are immigrants or are children of immigrants that are so nasty and unwelcoming to any immigrants now? Hypocrites.
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Pritti says hiThe definition of a man who pulls up the ladder that helped him so no-one else can benefit.
What age does this guy think we’re living in. He’s talking like they’ll have to walk back leading a horse and kart with all your worldly belongings. You can fly to Kyiv from the UK in less time than you can fly to the Canary Islands for a fortnights holiday. The moronic excuses they come out with are immoral.What a cnut
Says a Tory MP who was born on 24 January 1972 in Warsaw and who came to Britain with his mother, Halina Kawczynski, at the age of six. Literally no shame.
What is it with these Tory MPs who are immigrants or are children of immigrants that are so nasty and unwelcoming to any immigrants now? Hypocrites.
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She’s wrongWhen you get someone like Zara Sultana saying she agrees with Boris Johnson and by association I agree with Zara Sultana then it’s kind of telling
So simple to do immediately what is necessary and argue the toss when they’re safe. Bunch of arseholesWhat a cnut
Says a Tory MP who was born on 24 January 1972 in Warsaw and who came to Britain with his mother, Halina Kawczynski, at the age of six. Literally no shame.
What is it with these Tory MPs who are immigrants or are children of immigrants that are so nasty and unwelcoming to any immigrants now? Hypocrites.
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I agree with her.She’s wrong
She’s wrong
And they are wrong about Yemen and Syria and Palestine toothen so is every political leader in the west
We need to do something ! Putin is the worst sort of bully. Childrens hospital ffsI agree with her.
If it were possible to enforce a no fly zone without risking the house we'd have done it by now.then so is every political leader in the west
Totally agree. No doubt the Russians will deny it's them and blame the Ukrainians.I get the arguments about not escalating the conflict, I really do, but it's very hard not to feel in some way complicit in this.
There's no legitimacy to attacking a children's hospital, at what point do you have to say 'enough'.
Maybe we need to play Putin at his own game, offer as much direct military support to Ukraine as we can (offensive, defensive, cyber, planes, drones, artillery, missiles, political destabilisation, whatever) whilst absolutely denying that we're doing it.
I don't know, maybe that's daft, or maybe we're already doing it, but the seeming shambles around getting them a few jets doesn't exactly fill me with hope...
I want us to go in, but know we can't.We need to do something ! Putin is the worst sort of bully. Childrens hospital ffs
Where I’m at tonight is we all deserve to go to hellI want us to go in, but know we can't.
It's awful to just sit and watch all the horror though isn't it.
Because Putin has seen that NATO will do nothing.
The world is f*cked upWhere I’m at tonight is we all deserve to go to hell
What we allow in Yemen and Syria and Palestine and before in Bosnia and Rwanda is a stain on our shared humanity. There is no excuse - we have so much potential but are bunch of greedy twats without any morals
Good points. I remember telling someone I was not going to resort to violence and the git biffed me. Lesson learned. I looked for him That was 2 years ago.Totally agree. No doubt the Russians will deny it's them and blame the Ukrainians.
It's utterly inhumane and doesn't serve any strategic purpose whatsoever. Its killing for the sake of it.
And yet we do nothing , simply because of the veiled threats of nuclear war on anyone who wishes to stop them invading. So we let it go on.
Sooner or later there will be another atrocity against civilians , and then another. Why ? Because Putin has seen that NATO will do nothing. Because its easy to bomb everything and everyone to achieve his goals quickly rather than act in a way that perhaps is strategically more challenging but reduces the risks to civilians.
You're right. We need to play him at his own game . We arm Ukraine to the hilt and deny we are doing anything. We fly aircraft in to drop humanitarian supplies to civilians areas.
We warn the Russians of the consequences should they try and shoot the aircraft down. We make them accountable for their actions. At the moment they are accountable for nothing.
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