So if you had no assets at all? I guess you would be one of the last to pick up arms? I'm of the view that all wars are bad and also that Society is now more questioning of the 'establishment' before people go to war.If we got invaded tomorrow and I had three choices:
1) stay here and fight, with my family staying too
2) stay here and fight, pack my family off to another country without me
3) get on the next plane/boat out of here with my family
I'm picking number 3. Without hesitation.
Does that make me a coward? Which option would you choose? I'm not trying to be antagonistic I'm genuinely curious what you think.
Its not true then?
Stop being so bloody frightened and maybe give twitter and Facebook a rest for a while. No one is coming to replace you, take your job, or your partner, just because you're white.
They certainly have. They are tough, and they know if they don´t stand together and try to fight then they stand to lose everything. Family, livelihood, country etc. It wouldn´t happen so much in the UK. There are too many cowards and poorly principled people. The former would probably try and hide behind the latter as an excuse too. As western societies have generally got safer, it has bred a fairly soft generation unfortunately.
I mean blaming Zelensky for doing this in a response to an unprovoked invasion from 3 sides is farcical.
Is he really the leader deserving most of your scrutiny?
There is precisely zero evidence for this, it feels dangerously close to the classic 'snowflake generation' argument.
Who knows what would happen in the unlikely scenario you suggest.
There was little appetite for war in 1939, that generation had suffered enough in the previous war, but guess what, people stood up anyway.
And when it was over they voted out their (undeniably brave) wartime leader and built the NHS and the modern welfare system.
It's very important not to equate bravery or patriotism solely with right-wing viewpoints.
To be fair, I have seen some videos where wives are very much up for replacing their white husband...
I mean blaming Zelensky for doing this in a response to an unprovoked invasion from 3 sides is farcical.
Is he really the leader deserving most of your scrutiny?
Like the anti-woke warriors you mean. The “the national trust are telling us too much history and it’s everything that’s wrong in the world” type. The “the RNLA are picking up people in danger at sea and it’s everything that’s wrong in the world” type. There’s 2 predominantly white organisations that’s everything that’s apparently wrong in world that certain people hate.The problem is that Western society has decided that the white man is at fault for everything wrong with the world. Why would you want to defend a society that hates you?
Lot of hypotheticals in this discussion but Ukraine has shown Russia doesn't have the ground forces to take on bigger & better armed forces as it would face in NATO. So it would be nuclear and people picking up a gun wouldn't make any difference.
Attitudes across Europe & NATO seem to vary depending on how recently the countries had been occupied by a foreign power. Calmer here now in Hungary but people would not put themselves under Russian control again having spent so longer trying to escape it.
For all his bluster Putin has underestimated his ground forces and a conventional attack against NATO atm is way away. if he had crushed Ukraine in a few days then maybe it would be a different conversation/attitude from the Russian perspective.
They did of course bring back said wartime leader and binned the socialist government who had replaced him at the first opportunity
I personally would not want to live in a country governed by Putin or Zelensky - neither are what we would describe as democrats are they? I know this offends your sensitivity but men are attempting to escape Ukraine in boots of cars and bribing border control and are being sent back as a directive from the countries leader who passed a law in one day. Conscription according to Amnesity is a breach of human rights so bu definition human rights are being abused
The Western hypocrisy here is off the scale
You have posted elsewhere that the West are cheerleaders as Ukrainians die. You also said let Putin crack on with it and if it’s the price for keeping the wider peace then so be it. Zelensky needs all the men he can get to fight the invasion in part because we refuse to help militarily.
Just leads me to think you just post what you do to be contrary and get a reaction
I think it would have to happen for that to be confirmed. We probably are a bit 'softer' (which itself is not necessarily a bad thing) but you never know what people will do until push comes to shove. Especially if it puts the people they love at risk, and even more so if they have children. Also remember WWI/II there was conscription, so for many it was forced upon them and even then there were pacifists/conscientious objectors.They certainly have. They are tough, and they know if they don´t stand together and try to fight then they stand to lose everything. Family, livelihood, country etc. It wouldn´t happen so much in the UK. There are too many cowards and poorly principled people. The former would probably try and hide behind the latter as an excuse too. As western societies have generally got safer, it has bred a fairly soft generation unfortunately.
It’s same sort of nonsense that he tries to push to attack people - he needs to take a look in the mirror.What has ´Lozza Fox´ got to do with any of this?
White middle-aged women.Who would you say is the dominant demographic/gender in the western world?
Pissed my bed and mummy told me off again. She's so predictable.Got the response I expected. Same few people again.
That's exactly what he does. My enjoyment of this forum has increased immeasurably since I put him on 'ignore'. There are people who honestly hold different opinions, and there are people who are just on the wind up.
It's a waste of time engaging, it's like the old 'wrestling a pig' thing, you both get dirty but only the pig enjoys it.
I'll leave it there...
I'd go 3,2,1.Number 2 would be my preference comfortably.
If the number 3s were forced to stay behind, it would probably end up being more of a burden than a help. Ukraine and the UK are not the same in mindset and culture. However, in the moment, you might see a change in attitude if your country and life was at such an existential threat. That´s probably one for the sociologists and psychiatrists.
King of the snowflakes who loves a bit of “cancel culture” when suits. So long as it’s the “wokerati”. Whoever they are.It’s same sort of nonsense that he tries to push to attack people - he needs to take a look in the mirror.
TBF you melted the moment you said “people who hate you”. I’m really not sure who those people are because unless you’re a pound shop Laurence Fox, Rod Liddell type I don’t hate you. I see them in a minority of white people and I embrace the melting pot of culture and cultures that the UK is. I’d fight for everyone in this country if we were in Ukraines position. It’s your Fox’s and Liddell’s of this world that would be on Russias side as history from WW2 proves. They’re nothing but poor imitations of Mosley and Haw Haw.Got the response I expected. Same few people again.
TBF you melted the moment you said “people who hate you”. I’m really not sure who those people are because unless you’re a pound shop Laurence Fox, Rod Liddell type I don’t hate you. I see them in a minority of white people and I embrace the melting pot of culture and cultures that the UK is. I’d fight for everyone in this country if we were in Ukraines position. It’s your Fox’s and Liddell’s of this world that would be on Russias side as history from WW2 proves. They’re nothing but poor imitations of Mosley and Haw Haw.
So now we're arguing over who the imaginary baddest mother fucker would be come an imaginary invasion?
This place!
Got the response I expected. Same few people again.
I had this exact conversation with my son last week. I said I’d stay and defend my country. He would too after giving it some thought.If we got invaded tomorrow and I had three choices:
1) stay here and fight, with my family staying too
2) stay here and fight, pack my family off to another country without me
3) get on the next plane/boat out of here with my family
I'm picking number 3. Without hesitation.
Does that make me a coward? Which option would you choose? I'm not trying to be antagonistic I'm genuinely curious what you think.
He is genuinely worth engaging with on certain issues. Strongly agree with him on off field CCFC matters for example. But on others it’s just about provoking a reaction
How would you describe the Ukranian culture and how it differs from the UK culture out of interest?
War is already there. Estonia isn't worth a nuclear holocaust in my view but seemingly people are fine with us having signed the piece of paper that says if Putin invades this tiny Baltic state then it's on.
Americans said the same thing about Britain-it's not our war, not our fight and we don't want our soldiers going to die in a distant land. Soon the choice was taken out of their hands. History will look back on our inaction and condemn it
They've got a much bigger neo nazi scene
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