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USSR invades Ukraine. (17 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Johnnythespider

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,626
Otis said:
Not in accord at all. We are getting divorced and I am waiting to move out. She is so pro Putin it's untrue.

He is like her favourite uncle.
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I wouldn't want to meet her favourite uncle then, joking aside i hope you're in a better place soon
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,627


Who knows if that is true or not.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,628
I cannot believe im seeing people Pro Putin and anti ukraine in this thread. Unbelievable.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,629
Grendel said:
Indeed it really is and if this was something Boris Johnson enforced if we were invaded by an enemy I think you’d be not very supportive - or would you?
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Ignoring that Russia uses conscripts as well, I imagine if we found ourselves desperate for manpower then as a young man I’d be prime fodder
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,630
Ccfcisparks said:
I cannot believe im seeing people Pro Putin and anti ukraine in this thread. Unbelievable.
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Is anyone?
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,631
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Ignoring that Russia uses conscripts as well, I imagine if we found ourselves desperate for manpower then as a young man I’d be prime fodder
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Finally being old and knackered is an advantage! I know its hard to tell unless it actually happened, and I hope we never have to find out, but I can't imagine a similar response in this country. The Ukrainians have really stood up to protect their country.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,632
chiefdave said:
Finally being old and knackered is an advantage! I know its hard to tell unless it actually happened, and I hope we never have to find out, but I can't imagine a similar response in this country. The Ukrainians have really stood up to protect their country.
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Fuck fighting and dying for a generation of people that hate me
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,633
chiefdave said:
Finally being old and knackered is an advantage! I know its hard to tell unless it actually happened, and I hope we never have to find out, but I can't imagine a similar response in this country. The Ukrainians have really stood up to protect their country.
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They certainly have. They are tough, and they know if they don´t stand together and try to fight then they stand to lose everything. Family, livelihood, country etc. It wouldn´t happen so much in the UK. There are too many cowards and poorly principled people. The former would probably try and hide behind the latter as an excuse too. As western societies have generally got safer, it has bred a fairly soft generation unfortunately.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,634
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
They certainly have. They are tough, and they know if they don´t stand together and try to fight then they stand to lose everything. Family, livelihood, country etc. It wouldn´t happen so much in the UK. There are too many cowards and poorly principled people. The former would probably try and hide behind the latter as an excuse too. As western societies have generally got safer, it has bred a fairly soft generation unfortunately.
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Just look at Lozza Fox - says it all hahaha
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,635
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
They certainly have. They are tough, and they know if they don´t stand together and try to fight then they stand to lose everything. Family, livelihood, country etc. It wouldn´t happen so much in the UK. There are too many cowards and poorly principled people. The former would probably try and hide behind the latter as an excuse too. As western societies have generally got safer, it has bred a fairly soft generation unfortunately.
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Alt-right bullshit.

People aren't soft, they just know what is worth fighting for. When people were on the streets fighting for racial equality they weren't being soft but you said they were thugs.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,636
Liquid Gold said:
People aren't soft, they just know what is worth fighting for.
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Aren't friends, family, the old woman who babysat you worth fighting for?
 

Marty

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,637
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
They certainly have. They are tough, and they know if they don´t stand together and try to fight then they stand to lose everything. Family, livelihood, country etc. It wouldn´t happen so much in the UK. There are too many cowards and poorly principled people. The former would probably try and hide behind the latter as an excuse too. As western societies have generally got safer, it has bred a fairly soft generation unfortunately.
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The problem is that Western society has decided that the white man is at fault for everything wrong with the world. Why would you want to defend a society that hates you?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,638
Marty said:
The problem is that Western society has decided that the white man is at fault for everything wrong with the world. Why would you want to defend a society that hates you?
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Is that true? That’s such a shame
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,639
Deleted member 5849 said:
Aren't friends, family, the old woman who babysat you worth fighting for?
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You protect your family by protecting them directly.

I wouldn't fight to stop one corrupt system being replaced by another.
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,640
Marty said:
The problem is that Western society has decided that the white man is at fault for everything wrong with the world. Why would you want to defend a society that hates you?
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I don't know. Lenny Henry isn't white and look what he's done to comedy.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,641
chiefdave said:
Finally being old and knackered is an advantage! I know its hard to tell unless it actually happened, and I hope we never have to find out, but I can't imagine a similar response in this country. The Ukrainians have really stood up to protect their country.
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Well the West are acting like cheerleaders and watching them die I suppose
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,642
Marty said:
The problem is that Western society has decided that the white man is at fault for everything wrong with the world. Why would you want to defend a society that hates you?
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Who would you say is the dominant demographic/gender in the western world?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,643
Liquid Gold said:
Alt-right bullshit.

People aren't soft, they just know what is worth fighting for. When people were on the streets fighting for racial equality they weren't being soft but you said they were thugs.
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What is worth fighting for? Ukraine getting invaded where women and children are being killed as they try and escape? You cannot compare that to George Floyd and looting/rioting. It is actually an extremely strange take.

Don´t try and cover up that you are a coward by making this super political and going down some lefty/righty rabbit hole. People are being wiped out and if no one stands up to defend them then they are gone.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,644
Sick Boy said:
Just look at Lozza Fox - says it all hahaha
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What has ´Lozza Fox´ got to do with any of this?
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,645
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What is worth fighting for? Ukraine getting invaded where women and children are being killed as they try and escape? You cannot compare that to George Floyd and looting/rioting. It is actually an extremely strange take.

Don´t try and cover up that you are a coward by making this super political and going down some lefty/righty rabbit hole. People are being wiped out and if no one stands up to defend them then they are gone.
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Go and stand up for them bing strong man. If not pipe the fuck down before you embarrass yourself again.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,646
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What is worth fighting for? Ukraine getting invaded where women and children are being killed as they try and escape? You cannot compare that to George Floyd and looting/rioting. It is actually an extremely strange take.

Don´t try and cover up that you are a coward by making this super political and going down some lefty/righty rabbit hole. People are being wiped out and if no one stands up to defend them then they are gone.
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If we got invaded tomorrow and I had three choices:

1) stay here and fight, with my family staying too
2) stay here and fight, pack my family off to another country without me
3) get on the next plane/boat out of here with my family


I'm picking number 3. Without hesitation.

Does that make me a coward? Which option would you choose? I'm not trying to be antagonistic I'm genuinely curious what you think.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,647
Liquid Gold said:
Go and stand up for them bing strong man. If not pipe the fuck down before you embarrass yourself again.
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You have already embarrassed yourself far more than anyone else on this thread, somehow.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,648
PVA said:
If we got invaded tomorrow and I had three choices:

1) stay here and fight, with my family staying too
2) stay here and fight, pack my family off to another country without me
3) get on the next plane/boat out of here with my family


I'm picking number 3. Without hesitation.

Does that make me a coward? Which option would you choose? I'm not trying to be antagonistic I'm genuinely curious what you think.
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Ukrainians are denied option 3
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,649
Marty said:
The problem is that Western society has decided that the white man is at fault for everything wrong with the world. Why would you want to defend a society that hates you?
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Poor you. The dire struggle of being a white bloke in England.

I think the UK would have very little trouble mobilising an army if it was invaded by one of its neighbours, and anyone who says otherwise is just having another moan. Events like this show how comparatively meaningless most of the culture war bullshit is, but some people just can’t go without engaging with it for more than two weeks at a time. It’s all they know.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,650
PVA said:
If we got invaded tomorrow and I had three choices:

1) stay here and fight, with my family staying too
2) stay here and fight, pack my family off to another country without me
3) get on the next plane/boat out of here with my family


I'm picking number 3. Without hesitation.

Does that make me a coward? Which option would you choose? I'm not trying to be antagonistic I'm genuinely curious what you think.
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Number 2 would be my preference comfortably.

If the number 3s were forced to stay behind, it would probably end up being more of a burden than a help. Ukraine and the UK are not the same in mindset and culture. However, in the moment, you might see a change in attitude if your country and life was at such an existential threat. That´s probably one for the sociologists and psychiatrists.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,651
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
They certainly have. They are tough, and they know if they don´t stand together and try to fight then they stand to lose everything. Family, livelihood, country etc. It wouldn´t happen so much in the UK. There are too many cowards and poorly principled people. The former would probably try and hide behind the latter as an excuse too. As western societies have generally got safer, it has bred a fairly soft generation unfortunately.
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If we were invaded , let's say by Russia, and we knew that they were going to deal with us in the same way as they are dealing with the Ukrainians, you'd get the same response here. Yes I understand what you mean about being soft, but if you were presented with the prospect of being wiped out and we're given a gun to shoot the bastards, you would. We all would. Human survival would kick in .
Being an island nation helps in many ways , but if we were invaded we'd have nowhere to run. We couldn't flee anywhere. We'd all fight to the death and I think the overwhelming majority would.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,652
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Number 2 would be my preference comfortably.

If the number 3s were forced to stay behind, it would probably end up being more of a burden than a help. Ukraine and the UK are not the same in mindset and culture. However, in the moment, you might see a change in attitude if your country and life was at such an existential threat. That´s probably one for the sociologists and psychiatrists.
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That's a fair point about possibly changing my mind in the moment and if I actually had to make that choice.

But the thought of packing my 1 year old daughter off on a train and never seeing her again. Nah, couldn't do it. No chance.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,653
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Number 2 would be my preference comfortably.

If the number 3s were forced to stay behind, it would probably end up being more of a burden than a help. Ukraine and the UK are not the same in mindset and culture. However, in the moment, you might see a change in attitude if your country and life was at such an existential threat. That´s probably one for the sociologists and psychiatrists.
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How would you describe the Ukranian culture and how it differs from the UK culture out of interest?
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,654
chiefdave said:
Finally being old and knackered is an advantage! I know its hard to tell unless it actually happened, and I hope we never have to find out, but I can't imagine a similar response in this country. The Ukrainians have really stood up to protect their country.
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Yes, I remember being particularly twitchy about The Falklands and that was nearly 8k away. With Kiev 1/5 the distance it is a bit too close to home to ignore it. But as you say, The Ukrainians have really stood up to the job. Another significant difference is that our borders are surrounded by sea. That is a hell of an advantage with conventional warfare. I wonder what Germany is doing about this at the moment?
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,655
Ccfcisparks said:
I cannot believe im seeing people Pro Putin and anti ukraine in this thread. Unbelievable.
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  • Nu da! Mne kazhetsya, ty vinovat
 

duffer

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,656
Marty said:
The problem is that Western society has decided that the white man is at fault for everything wrong with the world. Why would you want to defend a society that hates you?
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What a ridiculous statement, this has to get shoehorn of the year award.

If western society is so biased against white men, why the fucking hell are we doing better in it than every single other ethnic group?

This right wing bullshit that anyone standing up for racial equality hates white men, is proof that some people are just too stupid to be allowed onto the internet.

Stop being so bloody frightened and maybe give twitter and Facebook a rest for a while. No one is coming to replace you, take your job, or your partner, just because you're white.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,657
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
They certainly have. They are tough, and they know if they don´t stand together and try to fight then they stand to lose everything. Family, livelihood, country etc. It wouldn´t happen so much in the UK. There are too many cowards and poorly principled people. The former would probably try and hide behind the latter as an excuse too. As western societies have generally got safer, it has bred a fairly soft generation unfortunately.
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Incoming
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,658
Grendel said:
Ukrainians are denied option 3
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Really just look at yourself writing this crap
 

tisza

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,659
Lot of hypotheticals in this discussion but Ukraine has shown Russia doesn't have the ground forces to take on bigger & better armed forces as it would face in NATO. So it would be nuclear and people picking up a gun wouldn't make any difference.

Attitudes across Europe & NATO seem to vary depending on how recently the countries had been occupied by a foreign power. Calmer here now in Hungary but people would not put themselves under Russian control again having spent so longer trying to escape it.

For all his bluster Putin has underestimated his ground forces and a conventional attack against NATO atm is way away. if he had crushed Ukraine in a few days then maybe it would be a different conversation/attitude from the Russian perspective.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 7, 2022
  • #2,660
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Really just look at yourself writing this crap
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Its not true then?
 
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