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USSR invades Ukraine. (14 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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PVA

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,486
Grendel said:
It’s an act of war you idiot - this isn’t b a game Of fucking risk m

shall k change my name to lord grey and you can then laugh and point score with your twitter mates - except most of you will be dead

Get your head out your arse
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You still can't answer.

I'm specifically asking why it's OK to send anti tank and anti aircraft weapons, but sending a plane is a breach of regulations.

Please provide a link or quote of this regulation.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,487
clint van damme said:
China didn't escalate matters when they had skirmishes on their own border with India. I don't think they'll get involved in this conflict militarily.
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But will they supply arms and “encouragement”

And let’s be honest a war that threatens the take over of Russia by the west is a road to a nuclear holocaust
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,488
Grendel said:
But will they supply arms and “encouragement”

And let’s be honest a war that threatens the take over of Russia by the west is a road to a nuclear holocaust
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which is what we're doing with Ukraine. If that's as far as it goes we might just be OK. It's a perilous situation.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,489
PVA said:
You still can't answer.

I'm specifically asking why it's OK to send anti tank and anti aircraft weapons, but sending a plane is a breach of regulations.

Please provide a link or quote of this regulation.
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Nato have approved it actually what’s the point. You just talk to your chums on tbd internet and have a laugh
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,490
Grendel said:
utter tripe

Putin wants to restore Ukraine back into Russia for czarist reasons he has zero ambition whatsoever to conquer Europe you stupid clown.

Ukraine is the Cold War equivalent of world peace. It’s not worth one ounce of British blood. I agree with humanitarian support and sanctions against Russia will not create a global conflict but it’s Nonsense like this that creates war
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People kept on saying Hitler wouldn't go further but he did. And if he'd conquered Britain and Russia he'd have kept going, confident that he'd managed to defet these two foes. Once they start winning and feeling invincible their ambitions get bigger and bigger. No-one at all in his circle will disagree with him or he'll get rid of them if they do. It will have started out as a Czarist thing to regain all the old land of the Russian Empire (some of which is already in NATO) but if he succeeded he'd be "well, why shouldn't others be under our control rather than these stupid Western ideals of democracy and liberalism that they cling to?" They seeing it as freeing them, just as Putin has said about Ukraine and 'de-Nazifying' it.

Like someone who wants to be a millionnaire. Once they get to be a millionnaire they want to be a billionnaire. Then that's not enough. Once they get the taste it cannot be sated and they will just keep going for more and more.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,491
clint van damme said:
which is what we're doing with Ukraine. If that's as far as it goes we might just be OK. It's a perilous situation.
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Good to have someone sensible even if politically bereft in the discussion
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,492
PVA said:
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So, I can’t help thinking ‘Who the fuck is Blinken?” I suppose it’s an opportunity for Russia to think about their campaign and the the futility of the aggression.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,493
Grendel said:
Nato have approved it actually what’s the point. You just talk to your chums on tbd internet and have a laugh
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So there is no regulation.

Thought so.

I'm sure Putin is absolutely fine with nations sending thousands of anti tank weapons which have destroyed thousands of his vehicles.

You do realise I agree with you about NATO/the UK not getting involved? I am absolutely against NATO troops being involved in the conflict and don't want anyone starting a war with Russia. I have been very clear on this throughout.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,494
clint van damme said:
China didn't escalate matters when they had skirmishes on their own border with India. I don't think they'll get involved in this conflict militarily.
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I certainly don't expect them to get involved in this. It would have to escalate to such an extent that chances are it would be pretty much nuclear war before they even considered it.

I meant more about advancing their own immediate interests and how they can gain more power and essentially make the world 'subservient' to their ideals in the way it was to the U.S. post WWII.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,495
I’m going to the pub
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,496
Grendel said:
I’m going to the pub
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Going?!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,497
Grendel said:
utter tripe

Putin wants to restore Ukraine back into Russia for czarist reasons he has zero ambition whatsoever to conquer Europe you stupid clown.

Ukraine is the Cold War equivalent of world peace. It’s not worth one ounce of British blood. I agree with humanitarian support and sanctions against Russia will not create a global conflict but it’s Nonsense like this that creates war
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War is already there. Estonia isn't worth a nuclear holocaust in my view but seemingly people are fine with us having signed the piece of paper that says if Putin invades this tiny Baltic state then it's on.

Americans said the same thing about Britain-it's not our war, not our fight and we don't want our soldiers going to die in a distant land. Soon the choice was taken out of their hands. History will look back on our inaction and condemn it
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,498
Grendel said:
I’m going to the pub
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I'm sure the punters will be delighted to hear about some made up nato regulations
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,499
clint van damme said:
Going?!
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I’m getting some vodka
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,500
PVA said:
I'm sure the punters will be delighted to hear about some made up nato regulations
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Bizarre
 

duffer

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,501
PVA said:
So there is no regulation.

Thought so.

I'm sure Putin is absolutely fine with nations sending thousands of anti tank weapons which have destroyed thousands of his vehicles.

You do realise I agree with you about NATO/the UK not getting involved? I am absolutely against NATO troops being involved in the conflict and don't want anyone starting a war with Russia. I have been very clear on this throughout.
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There's obviously no specific rule about sending planes. In fact I'm not aware of any treaty whatsoever regarding what we can and can't send to Ukraine, and even if there was I don't think any agreement survives Russia's invasion.

Obviously Putin won't be happy, but I think we're a bit beyond worrying about his feelings.

I did wonder if it would make sense to provide drones too. Ukraine could really use some destructive air power to start striking at Russian artillery, it looks like their plan now is to shell the cities into submission, regardless of civilian casualties. Literally a war crime, I believe.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,502
Brighton Sky Blue said:
War is already there. Estonia isn't worth a nuclear holocaust in my view but seemingly people are fine with us having signed the piece of paper that says if Putin invades this tiny Baltic state then it's on.

Americans said the same thing about Britain-it's not our war, not our fight and we don't want our soldiers going to die in a distant land. Soon the choice was taken out of their hands. History will look back on our inaction and condemn it
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Grow up
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,503
Grendel said:
Grow up
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Not an answer is it. It's a fact that war is already there, it's also clear that if we honoured NATO to the letter we'd end the world to defend Estonia.

Not me who needs to grow up casually dismissing the right of a country to exist
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,504
duffer said:
There's obviously no specific rule about sending planes. In fact I'm not aware of any treaty whatsoever regarding what we can and can't send to Ukraine, and even if there was I don't think any agreement survives Russia's invasion.

Obviously Putin won't be happy, but I think we're a bit beyond worrying about his feelings.

I did wonder if it would make sense to provide drones too. Ukraine could really use some destructive air power to start striking at Russian artillery, it looks like their plan now is to shell the cities into submission, regardless of civilian casualties. Literally a war crime, I believe.
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Says the bloke who thought we could consider a no fly zone
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,505
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not an answer is it. It's a fact that war is already there, it's also clear that if we honoured NATO to the letter we'd end the world to defend Estonia.

Not me who needs to grow up casually dismissing the right of a country to exist
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Estonia hasn’t been invaded
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,506
Grendel said:
what aren’t you getting about this? We are allied to nato. Ukraine is no more a cause than Sierra Leone. We shouldn’t have meddled in Iraq and we shouldn’t even with nato approval attacked Libya

Ukraine is no more our problem than these countries
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BSB laughs at this wow
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,507
Grendel said:
Bizarre
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Yes, making things up is a little bizarre.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,508
Grendel said:
Estonia hasn’t been invaded
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If it is then do you expect NATO to commit to war over it? Or just let Putin take it-I assume that as a vast country of 40 million is insignificant so is most of the continent
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,509
Grendel said:
Estonia hasn’t been invaded
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But if it were would you think it acceptable for British blood to be spilled to defend it? Due to a bit of paper we signed?

It's smaller and less significant to us. We've got a larger Ukrainian population over here. So why should we help defend them and not Ukraine?

Or do you think we should just not get involved there either, NATO disintegrates and Putin can start invading wherever he likes as NATO is now no longer an obstacle to his plans?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,510
Grendel said:
BSB laughs at this wow
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Because it's absurd
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,511
9 pages of constant bickering in the last 24 hours on this thread. That must be some kind of forum record
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,512
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If it is then do you expect NATO to commit to war over it? Or just let Putin take it-I assume that as a vast country of 40 million is insignificant so is most of the continent
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If Estonia is invaded we’d go to war. Not a conversation and it won’t happen
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,513
Grendel said:
If Estonia is invaded we’d go to war. Not a conversation and it won’t happen
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Yes-so we'd go to war over a country of a million but not do anything for a much much larger country of 40 million.

I strongly doubt we'd do anything if he went into the Baltic states threatening nuclear war if NATO did anything. He's set a precedent for how to invade with impunity
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,514
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But if it were would you think it acceptable for British blood to be spilled to defend it? Due to a bit of paper we signed?

It's smaller and less significant to us. We've got a larger Ukrainian population over here. So why should we help defend them and not Ukraine?

Or do you think we should just not get involved there either, NATO disintegrates and Putin can start invading wherever he likes as NATO is now no longer an obstacle to his plans?
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Are you drunk? It’s in NATO - therefore he won’t invade - also oddly it’s an alliance Ukraine are not in it thank god
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,515
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes-so we'd go to war over a country of a million but not do anything for a much much larger country of 40 million.

I strongly doubt we'd do anything if he went into the Baltic states threatening nuclear war if NATO did anything. He's set a precedent for how to invade with impunity
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So if China invaded Taiwan would we go to war? Clueless
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,516
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes-so we'd go to war over a country of a million but not do anything for a much much larger country of 40 million.

I strongly doubt we'd do anything if he went into the Baltic states threatening nuclear war if NATO did anything. He's set a precedent for how to invade with impunity
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also this hypothesis is dull
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,517
Has this been Ukrainian peace negotiator shot dead amid claims he was a Russian spy
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,518
Grendel said:
So if China invaded Taiwan would we go to war? Clueless
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Taiwan is basically indefensible if China decided to go for it. The Russian invasion here could be crushed

Grendel said:
also this hypothesis is dull
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Dull doesn't mean implausible.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,519
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Taiwan is basically indefensible if China decided to go for it. The Russian invasion here could be crushed



Dull doesn't mean implausible.
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I don’t thing Russia will bridge nato and if Ukraine is the consequence that’s that
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 6, 2022
  • #2,520
Flying Fokker said:
Has this been Ukrainian peace negotiator shot dead amid claims he was a Russian spy
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How very Russian of them
 
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