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USSR invades Ukraine. (18 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
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PVA

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,136
Grendel said:
yes he’s giving an opinion with zero basis of fact and you swallowed it hook line and sinker and he’s a desk top analyst not a former defence expert - I disagree with his view - he said the Ukrainian Air Force has great military presence - seriously do better
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Your heroes are in bed with Russia.

Do better.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,137
PVA said:
Your heroes are in bed with Russia.

Do better.
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according to your buddy trent the eu are sponsoring Putin to murder Ukrainians
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,138
The UK Ministry of Defence has basically said the same at that bloke on twitter.

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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,139
Grendel said:
no you can do a search you know
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What did you search for? Da Vinci?
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,140
stupot07 said:
The UK Ministry of Defence has basically said the same at that bloke on twitter.

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Well that's embarrassing for Grendel.

How many LinkedIn followers though?
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,141
fernandopartridge said:
Lol Boris Johnson just refused to be interviewed by Andrew Neill
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Yes, but we do challenge our politicians and PM's. We do confront them and we do take them to task on their policies and decisions.

No-one can make anyone be interviewed can they.

It is a completely different animal there to here.

People are actually scared to speak up in Russia. Can lose their jobs if they attend a protest and are likely to be arrested if they do, no matter how peaceful it is.

The elections are rigged over there. Putin will always get in as long as they continue to be rigged.

I know things aren't perfect here, but it's a world away and a PM refusing to be interviewed, cannot be compared for a single second to an interviewer over there who works for a TV station that is owned by the state, asking questions of the leader of the state.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,142
PVA said:
Well that's embarrassing for Grendel.

How many LinkedIn followers though?
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Seems legit

 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,143
I was going to say, just because someone posts quite a lot of tosh, doesn't mean that every single thing they say is tosh.

Happens a lot on here too.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,144
shmmeee said:
Seems legit

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“Please add me to your professional network on LinkedIn”
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,145
PVA said:
Well that's embarrassing for Grendel.

How many LinkedIn followers though?
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how on earth is it embarrassing his whole point is that the Ukrainians are going to be on the offensive and be able to attack the Russian forces. They won’t. Every military expert says it’s going to be a formality by the end of the week that the Russians will have control of the capital and if they don’t then the shelling starts
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,146
Otis said:
I was going to say, just because someone posts quite a lot of tosh, doesn't mean that every single thing they say is tosh.

Happens a lot on here too.
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Thankfully
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,147
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What are your latest thoughts on what should be done?
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Well despite the expertise on here the Russians have seized the ports and a large proportion of major cities.

They will blockade supplies and continue shelling

they aren’t going anywhere so it’s clear that the west need at least to attempt some settlement - the opportunity has probably already diminished but somehow an agreement to satisfy all parties has to be thrashed out.

The Russian aim will be to deploy a puppet government in the capital - will that be acceptable to the west on the promise of no movement to other countries. It well might be
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,148
Grendel said:
how on earth is it embarrassing his whole point is that the Ukrainians are going to be on the offensive and be able to attack the Russian forces. They won’t. Every military expert says it’s going to be a formality by the end of the week that the Russians will have control of the capital and if they don’t then the shelling starts
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You're an idiot. An actual idiot
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,149
Grendel said:
The Russian aim will be to deploy a puppet government in the capital - will that be acceptable to the west on the promise of no movement to other countries. It well might be
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It's definitely not going to be acceptable to the Ukrainians - this will roll on for years yet.
 
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duffer

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,150
Grendel said:
I would say both.

Western foreign policy - in particular from the Us has been to continue to treat Russia as an enemy and a super power post Gorbachev- so from a Russian perspective the west have continued to punish and kick Russia around while indulging and cosying up to China

Sanctions will be used by Putin as an example again of western interference and suppression and will strengthen many of their resolve as will the isolation strategies
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So we should do nothing?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,151
Grendel said:
Well despite the expertise on here the Russians have seized the ports and a large proportion of major cities.

They will blockade supplies and continue shelling

they aren’t going anywhere so it’s clear that the west need at least to attempt some settlement - the opportunity has probably already diminished but somehow an agreement to satisfy all parties has to be thrashed out.

The Russian aim will be to deploy a puppet government in the capital - will that be acceptable to the west on the promise of no movement to other countries. It well might be
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Only if they're idiots.

if the west agreed to that it would only be a matter of time before Putin was marching tanks into other countries, emboldened by what has happened in Ukraine.

It would be appeasement that would lead to much, much worse later on.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,152
Grendel said:
Well despite the expertise on here the Russians have seized the ports and a large proportion of major cities.

They will blockade supplies and continue shelling

they aren’t going anywhere so it’s clear that the west need at least to attempt some settlement - the opportunity has probably already diminished but somehow an agreement to satisfy all parties has to be thrashed out.

The Russian aim will be to deploy a puppet government in the capital - will that be acceptable to the west on the promise of no movement to other countries. It well might be
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I agree up to the west would agree

The answer will be dialogue
The answer may need a military response
No way in hell Ukraine will accept a puppet government
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,153
Grendel said:
they aren’t going anywhere so it’s clear that the west need at least to attempt some settlement - the opportunity has probably already diminished but somehow an agreement to satisfy all parties has to be thrashed out.
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So in this settlement with Russia, what exactly should the west be offering Putin in return for de-escalation? (Bearing in mind you don’t think sanctions have any impact and you don’t think they should even be in place)
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,154
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Only if they're idiots.

if the west agreed to that it would only be a matter of time before Putin was marching tanks into other countries, emboldened by what has happened in Ukraine.

It would be appeasement that would lead to much, much worse later on.
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I don’t agree
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,155
Sick Boy said:
It's definitely not going to be acceptable to the Ukrainians - this will roll on for years yet.
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According to some on here it will be over next week with Putin going home with his tail between his legs
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,156
Grendel said:
According to some on here it will be over next week with Putin going home with his tail between his legs
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Not seen anyone say that. I may have missed it
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,157
Sky Blue Pete said:
I agree up to the west would agree

The answer will be dialogue
The answer may need a military response
No way in hell Ukraine will accept a puppet government
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Well there’s no military response - never happening so in the end we may if the occupation persists just leave them to it and accept the consequences
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,158
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not seen anyone say that. I may have missed it
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PVA said they’d be running out of money and withdrawing soon
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,159
Grendel said:
Well there’s no military response - never happening so in the end we may if the occupation persists just leave them to it and accept the consequences
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Very true unless someone called putins bluff
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,160
PVA said:
The more and more I read about it the more I am convinced that Russia are absolutely fucked and Putin has made a huge mistake.

The army is seemingly on the verge of collapse, with untrained troops, poorly maintained and/or old equipment, lack of food and fuel.

The economy is on the verge of collapse.

I wonder if Putin started to genuinely believe his propaganda machine and thought Ukraine would either welcome his army with open arms or would be so weak they'd be destroyed very quickly.

Either way, it was a huge mistake and I don't see any way that Russia can win this war and they will suffer the consequences for a long time.
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Pete the Russian army is on the verge of collapse
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,161
Grendel said:
PVA said they’d be running out of money and withdrawing soon
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Please provide a quote where I said they'd be withdrawing soon.

I said the opposite, that they may take Ukraine but won't be able to hold it.
 

Otis

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,162
PVA said:
Please provide a quote where I said they'd be withdrawing soon.

I said the opposite, that they may take Ukraine but won't be able to hold it.
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Which is what many an expert is saying. Russia may well take Ukraine, but simply will be unable to hold it.

Even if they take Ukraine, this could be drawn out for quite some time to come.

It only ends in Putin's downfall I feel, but that could be many years away and you have to wonder at what cost.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,163
PVA said:
Please provide a quote where I said they'd be withdrawing soon.

I said the opposite, that they may take Ukraine but won't be able to hold it.
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You said the army is on the verge of collapse - so I assume that means they are on the verge of collapse
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,164
Grendel said:
You said the army is on the verge of collapse - so I assume that means they are on the verge of collapse
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I'll wait for you to point out where I said they'll be withdrawing soon.

Enough of this shit. People don't want to read your arguments, the thread was much better for those few hours you stayed away.

Football is on now anyway
 

Otis

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,165
PVA said:
I'll wait for you to point out where I said they'll be withdrawing soon.

Enough of this shit. People don't want to read your arguments, the thread was much better for those few hours you stayed away.

Football is on now anyway
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Who's playing?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,166
Otis said:
Which is what many an expert is saying. Russia may well take Ukraine, but simply will be unable to hold it.

Even if they take Ukraine, this could be drawn out for quite some time to come.

It only ends in Putin's downfall I feel, but that could be many years away and you have to wonder at what cost.
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Mmm Putin has an array of weapons and the risk is he obliterates them

Resistance also can only last to a point - all supplies are being cut off a long road ahead
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,167
PVA said:
I'll wait for you to point out where I said they'll be withdrawing soon.

Enough of this shit. People don't want to read your arguments, the thread was much better for those few hours you stayed away.

Football is on now anyway
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you said the army was on the verge of collapse

What happens then? They call up the home guard to drive the tanks?
 

duffer

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,168
Grendel said:
It exposes the cyber war nonsense as well that Putin wanted Trump in power
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In your typically uninformed opinion, that might be true. US Intelligence meanwhile were very clear about attempted Russian interference.

Russia's Putin authorised pro-Trump 'influence' campaign, US intelligence says

A US intelligence report alleges Russia's president approved efforts to influence the 2020 election.
www.bbc.com

Anyway, remind us again, should we do nothing about Ukraine? Or are you off down Waitrose again to dodge the question?
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,169
Grendel said:
I don’t agree
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Fair enough.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,170
duffer said:
In your typically uninformed opinion, that might be true. US Intelligence meanwhile were very clear about attempted Russian interference.

Russia's Putin authorised pro-Trump 'influence' campaign, US intelligence says

A US intelligence report alleges Russia's president approved efforts to influence the 2020 election.
www.bbc.com

Anyway, remind us again, should we do nothing about Ukraine? Or are you off down Waitrose again to dodge the question?
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I’ve said we wait till the inevitable happens and then talk about a settlement
 
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