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Grendel

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #1,996
Otis said:

This is the Russia I know. It's amazing just how blinkered and blinded they are and of course how controlling the media is over there.
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Yes you know Russia and it’s people - I have been and also know many in the uk and their nationalism and devotion and preparation for the worst is beyond what anyone on here who has zero direct experience with Russian culture can ever comprehend
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #1,997
duffer said:
I dunno, but that air superiority claim seems a bit unlikely to me, given the 40 mile convoy that's just begging to be hit and Ukraine's ongoing requests for a no fly zone to be implemented. Not saying it's wrong, but I can't see how that stacks up.
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They might be waiting a little longer before unleashing on the convoy e they do have some dominance. I also saw that they havent committed their artillery yet so might be saving that up too.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #1,998
Grendel said:
My guess is he will seize the capital within the next few days - you?
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An 'expert' on Talk Radio last night suggests it is going to be 6 weeks before Kiev folds. Purely because the Ukranian forces are trained in street warfare/ Geurilla tactics. Once the city falls there will be a long campaign of sabotage and agitation from those under occupation. I suppose there is nothing new but he suggested it will end up like Afghanistan where the Russians did not win in the end. Russia has bypassed some towns/ cities purely to get to the outskirts of Kiew. This will impact on them at a later date.
 
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stupot07

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #1,999
Otis said:

This is the Russia I know. It's amazing just how blinkered and blinded they are and of course how controlling the media is over there.
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Its really frightening isn't it. There was a dual national Russian journalist on the radio the other day and they asked she had spoken to her parents back home since it started, she said it had, and their opinion mirrored what was in that video, wouldn't believe what their daughter was telling them.

Just shows the power or propaganda.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #2,000
David O'Day said:
There goes twitter and facebook in Russia

wonder if his bot farms can still get on them?
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Just checked twitter and both Farage and Johnson are both still posting so it looks like it
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #2,001
Grendel said:
Yes you know Russia and it’s people - I have been and also know many in the uk and their nationalism and devotion and preparation for the worst is beyond what anyone on here who has zero direct experience with Russian culture can ever comprehend
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And if I may say, they have met their match in the Ukranian people who don't want to give up their ground to anyone.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #2,002
Grendel said:
My guess is he will seize the capital within the next few days - you?
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'So you know more than the experts then'
 

Mcbean

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #2,003
Russian twats destroyed the Antinov

Images show world's biggest plane after it was destroyed by Russia

The images show the destroyed Ukrainian-made Antonov-225 Mriya, meaning the dream, at the Hostomel airport near Kyiv after it came under fire during a Russian attack on Sunday.
www.dailymail.co.uk
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #2,004
Brighton Sky Blue said:
'So you know more than the experts then'
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I said my guess. But hey ho
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #2,005
This made me smile


All except the bloke who said that Putin was the world leader he admired most in the world
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #2,006
Flying Fokker said:
An 'expert' on Talk Radio last night suggests it is going to be 6 weeks before Kiev folds. Purely because the Ukranian forces are trained in street warfare/ Geurilla tactics. Once the city falls there will be a long campaign of sabotage and agitation from those under occupation. I suppose there is nothing new but he suggested it will end up like Afghanistan where the Russians did not win in the end. Russia has bypassed some towns/ cities purely to get to the outskirts of Kiew. This will impact on them at a later date.
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Yeah I don't see how Russia can hold Ukraine long term.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #2,007
Otis said:

This is the Russia I know. It's amazing just how blinkered and blinded they are and of course how controlling the media is over there.
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The thing is their attitude is quite well justified isn't it? Russia's efforts in the second world war play second fiddle to those of the allies. The West waged a cold war against their political system which led to the biggest drop in average life expectancy ever seen outside of war. Then the West does its best to make sure a market true believer is in charge. Now, 30 years on from the fall of communism they're no better off. I'm not surprised there is a siege mentality.
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #2,008
fernandopartridge said:
The thing is their attitude is quite well justified isn't it? Russia's efforts in the second world war play second fiddle to those of the allies. The West waged a cold war against their political system which led to the biggest drop in average life expectancy ever seen outside of war. Then the West does its best to make sure a market true believer is in charge. Now, 30 years on from the fall of communism they're no better off. I'm not surprised there is a siege mentality.
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Yes, I get that, but the utter belief in Putin is concerning.

I can fully understand the distrust of the West, but look at the regime's attitude to gay people, to non-violent protest, to any dissenting voices, to any political opponents of Putin.

People are scared to speak out for fear of reprisals. The state controls pretty much all of the TV.

The way the Russian government treats it's citizens is absolutely outrageous
 
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LastGarrison

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #2,009
Marty said:
Has a horrendous burn to it., can't drink it all, I stick to Zubrowka myself.
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As much as Zubrowska is good, it is only 37.5%, and does have an after taste.

Russian Standard for a cheapish vodka is relatively smooth and I definitely don’t think there is a burn to it, but I did spend my early drinking years drinking Glens, and as cliched as it is Grey Goose is by far the smoothest.

If you’re into your Polish vodka I’d recommend Luksusowa.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #2,010
Otis said:
Yes, I get that, but the utter belief in Putin is concerning.

I can fully understand the distrust of the West, but look at the regime's attitude to gay people, to non-violent protest, to any dissenting voices, to any political opponents of Putin.

People are scared to speak out for fear of reprisals. The state controls pretty much all of the TV.

The way the Russian government treats it's citizens is absolutely outrageous
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Is it a belief in Putin or just a belief in Russia itself that Putin is able to exploit, aided and abetted by the West?

As for state media. Did you happen to watch the BBC at any point in late 2019 or since then?
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,011
LastGarrison said:
As much as Zubrowska is good, it is only 37.5%, and does have an after taste.

Russian Standard for a cheapish vodka is relatively smooth and I definitely don’t think there is a burn to it, but I did spend my early drinking years drinking Glens, and as cliched as it is Grey Goose is by far the smoothest.

If you’re into your Polish vodka I’d recommend Luksusowa.
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To be honest, I think most people on this site outside those who frequent the off-topic chat drink terps.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,012
The clouds lifted yesterday.

 

Otis

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,013
fernandopartridge said:
Is it a belief in Putin or just a belief in Russia itself that Putin is able to exploit, aided and abetted by the West?

As for state media. Did you happen to watch the BBC at any point in late 2019 or since then?
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Our TV stations and reporters question leaders and ask tough questions of them and constantly bring them to task. We also have democratic elections too.

Russian elections are rigged and no opposition party or leader is ever given a chance. They usually either end up in jail or dead.

We don't have state media. We report what the government have said and then question it and query it. In Russia they put everything that comes out the mouth of the Kremlin and Putin, to the people as absolute fact.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,014
Original source the Times UK. Found it on a Dutch News site.

The Chechen reference; I think there was an article saying that the whole task force was wiped out.


Ukrainian President Volodimir Zelenskiy has survived three assassination attempts in the past week. That reports the British newspaper The Times. First, the mercenaries of the infamous Wagner Group would have targeted Zelenskiy, then he came into the crosshairs of a Chechen assassination squad. However, the plans would always have been foiled with the help of agents of the Russian FSB who do not agree with the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

President Volodimir Zelenskiy.
Mercenaries from the notorious Wagner Group and special forces from Chechnya are said to have been sent to Ukraine last week to kill Zelenskiy. However, the assassination plans were foiled by members of the Russian secret service FSB who are against the invasion of Ukraine, according to The Times. Oleksiy Danilov, head of Ukraine's national security council, confirmed in local media the existence of the three assassination plans, and also said that he had received information about them from "double agents in the FSB who do not want to be part of this bloody war."

The Wagner Group — basically an entire army that can be hired — is run by oligarch Yevgeni Prigozhin, a close ally of the Russian president nicknamed "Putin's cook." According to The Times, the company would have 400 mercenaries in Kiev, who would have infiltrated the city as civilians at the start of the Russian invasion. The mercenaries would have received a death list with 24 names on it: in addition to Zelenskiy, there would also be the Klitchko brothers, the former top boxers of whom Vitali is mayor of Kiev these days. Because the Wagner Group officially has no ties to the Russian government, President Putin could then deny a possible assassination.



Plans foiled

Unconfirmed reports about the danger posed by the assassination squads have been circulating for several days. The mercenaries would follow Zelenskiy and their other targets through their mobile phones, so they always knew where they were. They would have waited for the green light from the Kremlin immediately after the raid to finish their death list, but that was foiled on Saturday morning. The Ukrainian government then announced a 36-hour curfew, allowing Ukrainian soldiers to search the streets of the capital in search of the mercenaries.

On Tuesday, a Chechen assassination squad would have wanted to carry out a double attack on Zelenskiy. They were part of the Russian National Guard, and are known for their cruel tactics. Those plans were also foiled, although it is not clear how.

The assassination plans do not seem to upset President Zelenskiy: he already said at a press conference that he was "target number one" of the Russians, but after an American offer to be evacuated, he let it be known that he "does not need a lift, but ammunition."

In the podcast 'Ukraine Update' you will be updated daily in 10 minutes about the war in Ukraine:
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,015
Ukraine war: Ukraine can absolutely win against Russia - Blinken - BBC News

and

Thousands of people in the Serbian capital of Belgrade have taken part in a massive demonstration to show support of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Some 4,000 people joined the march after gathering in front of a monument of Russian Tsar Nicholas II, where they played the Russian and Serbian national anthems and hailed the two countries as brother nations.

Protesters carried Russian flags and pictures of President Vladimir Putin as they marched through the city towards the Russian embassy.

Serbia is engaged in a difficult balancing act, trying to appease its ties with Moscow without alienating European leaders and derailing its aspirations to join the EU.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,016
Flying Fokker said:
Ukraine war: Ukraine can absolutely win against Russia - Blinken - BBC News

and

Thousands of people in the Serbian capital of Belgrade have taken part in a massive demonstration to show support of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Some 4,000 people joined the march after gathering in front of a monument of Russian Tsar Nicholas II, where they played the Russian and Serbian national anthems and hailed the two countries as brother nations.

Protesters carried Russian flags and pictures of President Vladimir Putin as they marched through the city towards the Russian embassy.

Serbia is engaged in a difficult balancing act, trying to appease its ties with Moscow without alienating European leaders and derailing its aspirations to join the EU.
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Talking of nazis Serbia has its share
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,017
Makes for a lot of tension at the moment.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,018
Blimey, scary footage from Sky, they were very lucky

 
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LastGarrison

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,019
That video of the SKY journalists being shot at is crazy and goes to show the absolute atrocities that are happening across the country.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,020
The world fiddles as Ukraine burns and Putin lights the fires

War in Ukraine: Zelensky slams Nato over rejection of no-fly zone

Zelensky said Nato has given Russia "a green light" to continue bombing Ukrainian towns and cities.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,021
fernandopartridge said:
The thing is their attitude is quite well justified isn't it? Russia's efforts in the second world war play second fiddle to those of the allies. The West waged a cold war against their political system which led to the biggest drop in average life expectancy ever seen outside of war. Then the West does its best to make sure a market true believer is in charge. Now, 30 years on from the fall of communism they're no better off. I'm not surprised there is a siege mentality.
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The Cold War wasn’t driven by the West against the USSR. It was very much a mutual undertaking with both the USA and USSR proving the supremacy of their political systems.

These sentiments, show more than anything, the effectiveness of Russian state disinformation and censorship campaigns.

Historically, the Russians/Soviets have been world leading in both those fields.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,022
World beating stuff from the government again.

The UK Home Office's free helpline is not usable for anyone outside of the UK, apparently 0800 numbers don't work abroad. Genius.

 

Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,023
Sky Blue Pete said:
Talking of nazis Serbia has its share
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So does Ukraine
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,024
Grendel said:
So does Ukraine
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… As does Russia, why doesn’t Putin solve his own ugly far right problem before invading other nations.

Unfortunately, it is a trend in ex-Eastern bloc countries.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,025
fernandopartridge said:
Is it a belief in Putin or just a belief in Russia itself that Putin is able to exploit, aided and abetted by the West?
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I would say both.

Western foreign policy - in particular from the Us has been to continue to treat Russia as an enemy and a super power post Gorbachev- so from a Russian perspective the west have continued to punish and kick Russia around while indulging and cosying up to China

Sanctions will be used by Putin as an example again of western interference and suppression and will strengthen many of their resolve as will the isolation strategies
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,026
Mucca Mad Boys said:
… As does Russia, why doesn’t Putin solve his own ugly far right problem before invading other nations.

Unfortunately, it is a trend in ex-Eastern bloc countries.
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Obviously Putins rhetoric is to stoke up Stalinist sentiment - I’m just pointing out these countries generally have far more extremism that the west
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,027
What of course doesn’t help is at this time you have to have some semblance of strength in the White House - not a bumbling fool who looks like he’s on day release from a care home
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,028
Grendel said:
What of course doesn’t help is at this time you have to have some semblance of strength in the White House - not a bumbling fool who looks like he’s on day release from a care home
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I guess also not a man who looks like an orange and talks like one too
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2022
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I guess also not a man who looks like an orange and talks like one too
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@duffer would accuse you of whataboutery Biden doesn’t it seems even know the difference between a Ukrainian and an Iranian.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 5, 2022
  • #2,030
Lol Joe Biden is old - top analysis here
 
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