Brighton Sky Blue
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Fair enough, the kind of strategy that worked so well in WW1. Not that I hold you responsible by the way!
If Putin goes into Estonia we won't really have an option, yes, because they signed a piece of paper, that's the crazy world we live in.
Fair enough, the kind of strategy that worked so well in WW1. Not that I hold you responsible by the way!
Not allow a humanitarian crisis to unfold with no military intervention is what I want. The more land that is taken the messier it gets. There was the chance early on to stamp out this invasion from the skies.
Are we really willing to potentially go to Armageddon over Estonia simply because it signed the relevant paperwork?
The point is we won't get armageddon over Estonia because Putin won't invade because of the NATO deterrent.
Lavrov: It's very difficult for me to explain how Zelenskyy can be chairman in a society where Nazis are flourishing.
That's a massive assumption considering that clearly he's unstable. He has been able to do this by threatening us with the nuclear deterrent-if he succeeds here then Georgia and Moldova which are also not NATO members and also have pro Russian separatist movements will surely be next on his radar.
Not to mention what we allow in terms of him gaining an enormous amount of territory in the process.
I agree it's shit, and hard to stomach.
But nukes are a terrible thing and the reason we're in this situation.
If nukes weren't a thing then the West would have intervened and Russia's army would have been obliterated by now
No one offers opinions so this is a pointless thread of ignorant Islington labour types who want a jolly little war as long as they can sit at home on the sofa while was working class types go and die
Russia was a colossal mistake from the west - I’ve been many times and it’s very much in the big cities a western style culture and was there to be seen as an ally in the west
We have since the days of wolfitz and through to Rimney gone with the notion it’s always an enemy abd when it was down smash it rather then embrace it
Now we are seeing the realisation of our folly. The west needed to pick on someone so it picked on Russia - a proud resolute and loyal nation as it knew it dared not confront China
In the end the kicked battered animal fights back
We’ve created this monstrosity and we’ve relied on it
This thread is full of utter nonsense — most on here are ironically like Putin they snarl and kick back when other views are expressed and to put it mildly most are ignorant and clueless
Good luck with it keep posturing and keep chatting but perhaps Google Romney (I know most will have heard of him) and the other chap and understand the philosophy tbe west have deployed against Russia why Putin became and why we are where we are
I’m a humble child I know but hey take a look
Got your wish leave you all to it for a while
I don't know shit but one of a number of things what worries me is when Putin gets his hands on chernobyl nuclear power plant. That's only going to strengthen his power.
I don't know shit but one of a number of things what worries me is when Putin gets his hands on chernobyl nuclear power plant. That's only going to strengthen his power.
It’s a jokeHe already has hasn't he?
I'm sure they took Chernobyl in the first day or two
It’s a jokeHe already has hasn't he?
I'm sure they took Chernobyl in the first day or two
I called for air support not boots on the ground, even then under a UN banner rather than just the RAF.
Also if you recall before the invasion I was talking more about plebiscites than attacks against Russia so the idea I have suddenly become a warmonger is a bit bizarre.
Don’t think I’ve copied any tweets or social media here either. I do offer what I really think though instead of playing devil’s advocate 24/7 to appear wise
It's an uninhabitable nuclear wasteland, what's he going to do with it, put up a Wetherspoons?
(Wouldn't be the first one etc etc)
He already has hasn't he?
I'm sure they took Chernobyl in the first day or two
I just think air support would be so easy. Take the convoy out etc. However, our hands are tied. All sides of the conflict, be they military experts, academics or politicians know that this would lead to further escalation if not annihilation.
Russia threatens us and I think they are mad enough to retaliate and force WW3 / Nuclear War. What happens if the Russians don't press self-destruct? Stand forward to defend your country because I don't think they will tolerate a no-fly zone for their mission.
I'm hoping that Ukraine holds on long enough because in my view the only way this will be resolved without further escalation is by a military coup in Russia.
Grendel you are arguing with yourself. You make some excellent points and some bizarre ones. At least the thread won’t get thrown off on tangents if you’ve genuinely gone for a bit. Russia is systematically destroying Ukraine and we can do nothing to stop it or so the argument goes. When Russia move on to Estonia I don’t want anyone to make the argument we can’t act
I hope the countries of Europe embark on a rearmament programme because as things stand we cannot hold Russia back .
I hope the countries of Europe embark on a rearmament programme because as things stand we cannot hold Russia back .
Agreed. So far the Russian forces seem to have little appetite for this and morale is reported as not as strong as it should be.I think in fairness Pete, the world and particularly Europe, is trying to act, it's just trying to balance the risks. For Tories, that seemingly includes the risks to their donors.
By the time all this is over, one way or the other, I don't think the Russian military will be in any fit state for another adventure. Honestly, I still don't see any way that they'd risk taking on NATO directly.
We might not be able to do much in Ukraine, but one of the levers I'd be tempted to pull right now would be to place Georgia's current borders under NATO protection, even if not classed as a full member. I wouldn't put boots on the ground, as that would be provocative, but I'd certainly do it by treaty long before Putin even thinks about pulling this one again.
I wish I was as confident as you on that but you might be right. I certainly hope so. I don't think it will happen for a while but who knows.The point is we won't get armageddon over Estonia because Putin won't invade because of the NATO deterrent.
I am not sure that I buy the idea that it's all down to one individual who is unstable. If Putin were to die of natural causes would Russia change course? Who knows but I am not convinced. I feel in history the impact of individuals is often overplayed and it's the situation that results in major events.That's a massive assumption considering that clearly he's unstable. He has been able to do this by threatening us with the nuclear deterrent-if he succeeds here then Georgia and Moldova which are also not NATO members and also have pro Russian separatist movements will surely be next on his radar.
Not to mention what we allow in terms of him gaining an enormous amount of territory in the process.
I am not sure that I buy the idea that it's all down to one individual who is unstable. If Putin were to die of natural causes would Russia change course? Who knows but I am not convinced. I feel in history the impact of individuals is often overplayed and it's the situation that results in major events.
Eliminate Putin, time-heist style.Hey now, time travel is a perfectly valid strategy.
I tend to agree. If he was going to start a ruck, why not begin with a much smaller country he could easily over run?The point is we won't get armageddon over Estonia because Putin won't invade because of the NATO deterrent.
Mate, you're quoting WW1 when they only just invented tanks ffs.Fair enough, the kind of strategy that worked so well in WW1. Not that I hold you responsible by the way!
I wish I was as confident as you on that but you might be right. I certainly hope so. I don't think it will happen for a while but who knows.
Mate, you're quoting WW1 when they only just invented tanks ffs.
All nice for the politicians to send their boys out to die for the cause. It's a long way from home.
Nukes bring the drama to your doorstep.
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