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USSR invades Ukraine. (12 Viewers)

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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,541
David O'Day said:
Anyway for the sensible people on here.

Russia aren't going to at the moment accept any "peace agreement" that is short off Ukraine being a puppet state. The people won't accept that and will keep fighting so what doe that achieve? Fuck all really.

The CCFC Neville Chamberlain Supporters Club are clueless
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When are you signing up for active service Dave?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,542
tisza said:
Used them with impunity in Syria and "got away" with it. So aren't going to be worried about using them now.
Already using cluster bombs.
These thermobaric bombs are indiscriminate and inhuman.
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All bombs are, let's be honest
 

oakey

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,543
Let's hope Western leaders reject both whataboutery and "If we can't do everything we should do nothing" thinking.
Stay focused and work the problem but under no circumstances give in to tyranny.
Megalomaniacs always over reach. We play the long game with the objective of neutralising then removing Putin.
In the meantime do everything to aid Ukraine (short of military action but including airdrops of humanitarian aid) and strengthen its neighbours.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,544
Got to be one of the greatest comb overs still left on the world stage.

 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,545
fernandopartridge said:
When are you signing up for active service Dave?
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that's a weird argument - you on the pipe again?
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,546
fernandopartridge said:
When are you signing up for active service Dave?
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really weird
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,547
fernandopartridge said:
When are you signing up for active service Dave?
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stupid as well
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,548
fernandopartridge said:
Yes, because it's better than many many many more people affected by a nuclear war
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He is setting a precedent of being able to attack other countries while threatening nuclear war if people try and stop him.
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,549
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He is setting a precedent of being able to attack other countries while threatening nuclear war if people try and stop him.
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And he's not going to stop anytime soon is he. He already thinks he is invincible.

He can send assassins over here to take people out and there is nothing we can do about it. He has been pretty untouchable has he.

He will make a mistake at some point (maybe already has), but it seems the long game is the only way to topple him unless there is something that happens within his inner circle.

At what cost is this all going to be though..
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,550
fernandopartridge said:
Yes, because it's better than many many many more people affected by a nuclear war
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Might not happen and going by that argument you don’t stop him for quite a while
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,551
David O'Day said:
stupid as well
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You're the one accusing civilian people of appeasement so I'm asking when you're going to get involved?
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,552
fernandopartridge said:
Yes, because it's better than many many many more people affected by a nuclear war
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So there’s no point to maintaining a nuclear defence then? It serves no job as it’s not a deterrent? Or rather we should rebuild the empire because we’ve got nukes and therefore can do what we like?

He’s either going to use them or he’s not. You’re giving him free reign to invade anywhere he wants. What does somewhere being NATO matter he’d just nuke us then too?

If we’ve got a madman who will end the world that horse has already bolted, you’re just putting off the inevitable.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,553
Philosorapter said:
Got to be one of the greatest comb overs still left on the world stage.

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That man has Mean Gene Okerlund vibes.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,554
shmmeee said:
So there’s no point to maintaining a nuclear defence then? It serves no job as it’s not a deterrent? Or rather we should rebuild the empire because we’ve got nukes and therefore can do what we like?

He’s either going to use them or he’s not. You’re giving him free reign to invade anywhere he wants. What does somewhere being NATO matter he’d just nuke us then too?

If we’ve got a madman who will end the world that horse has already bolted, you’re just putting off the inevitable.
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The best way to deal with a madman is to escalate, yeah?
 

tisza

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,555
fernandopartridge said:
The best way to deal with a madman is to escalate, yeah?
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So how do you deal with a "madman" ?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,556
fernandopartridge said:
The best way to deal with a madman is to escalate, yeah?
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Was there any other way to deal with a madman in 1939 than go to war with him?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,557
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Was there any other way to deal with a madman in 1939 than go to war with him?
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Grow up
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,558
tisza said:
So how do you deal with a "madman" ?
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You wait a bit longer than 7 days and allow the sanctions to start to bite before commencing WW3 and potentially condemning millions to their death
 
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tisza

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,559
fernandopartridge said:
You wait a bit longer than 7 days and allow the sanctions to start to bite before commencing WW3 and potentially condemning millions to their death
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So exactly what is happening now whilst the situation is contained in Ukraine. Sadly Ukraine will be the world's Coventry during the Blitz - a sacrificial lamb for the "long - term" good
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,560
fernandopartridge said:
Grow up
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I wasn’t trying to take the piss?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,561
fernandopartridge said:
You wait a bit longer than 7 days and allow the sanctions to start to bite before commencing WW3 and potentially condemning millions to their death
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...and in the meantime, all the nations still importing Russian oil & gas should stop with immediate effect.

....Its frankly obscene that many western nations are supplying arms, aid & preaching about freedom & democracy whilst at the same time showering Putins Russia with cash at $112 per barrel (and rising).
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,562
...but its OK, cos we'll probably ban them from the Paralympics....
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,563
tisza said:
So exactly what is happening now whilst the situation is contained in Ukraine. Sadly Ukraine will be the world's Coventry during the Blitz - a sacrificial lamb for the "long - term" good
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The debates here now probably aren’t that far off what was held in the USA at the start of WW2
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,564
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
...and in the meantime, all the nations still importing Russian oil & gas should stop with immediate effect.

....Its frankly obscene that many western nations are supplying arms, aid & preaching about freedom & democracy whilst at the same time showering Putins Russia with cash at $112 per barrel (and rising).
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I’d imagine that plans are already in place on that, I guess it’s going to take time to do.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,565
Sick Boy said:
I’d imagine that plans are already in place on that, I guess it’s going to take time to do.
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Not just from Russia but it's critical long term to reduce the dependency on oil and gas, probably should be #1 priority for any government
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,566
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I wasn’t trying to take the piss?
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that’s even more worrying
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,567
Interesting article here about Putin's thinking, if you've time for a longish read...

‘Yes, He Would’: Fiona Hill on Putin and Nukes

Putin is trying to take down the entire world order, the veteran Russia watcher said in an interview. But there are ways even ordinary Americans can fight back.
www.politico.com
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,568
Sick Boy said:
I’d imagine that plans are already in place on that, I guess it’s going to take time to do.
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I'd imagine if Putin wanted to turn off the taps, he could pretty much immediately.

I'd suggest there is also a tap at the other end of the supply, but currently it would be just too inconvenient for western nations to turn it off!

If it fucks the German & French economy for a little while.....tough shit.

If it means the Italians can't heat there homes for a while....tough shit.

If it means UK petrol & diesel hits £3 per litre for a while....tough shit.

We're not the ones getting bombed in our beds.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,569
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I'd imagine if Putin wanted to turn off the taps, he could pretty much immediately.

I'd suggest there is also a tap at the other end of the supply, but currently it would be just too inconvenient for western nations to turn it off!

If it fucks the German & French economy for a little while.....tough shit.

If it means the Italians can't heat there homes for a while....tough shit.

If it means UK petrol & diesel hits £3 per litre for a while....tough shit.

We're not the ones getting bombed in our beds.
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Germany is reliant to a ridiculous extent as is Italy - they will do nothing about it.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,570
Grendel said:
Germany is reliant to a ridiculous extent as is Italy - they will do nothing about it.
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No idea about Germany but Italy has already started.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,571
Sick Boy said:
No idea about Germany but Italy has already started.
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has it? Sounds like a lot of hot air to me

Italy explores Algerian gas as Europe strays from Russian fossil fuels

Italy's foreign minister and top energy CEO are visiting a gas supplier Algeria.
www.euronews.com
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,572
Grendel said:
has it? Sounds like a lot of hot air to me

Italy explores Algerian gas as Europe strays from Russian fossil fuels

Italy's foreign minister and top energy CEO are visiting a gas supplier Algeria.
www.euronews.com
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I guess you have a lot of experience in that area.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,573
Sick Boy said:
I guess you have a lot of experience in that area.
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well not as much as Italy it seems. I’m sure they will be losing 40% of their energy

I’m amazed tbe eu as a collective force hasn’t agreed this action overnight after the invasion
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,574
Grendel said:
well not as much as Italy it seems. I’m sure they will be losing 40% of their energy

I’m amazed tbe eu as a collective force hasn’t agreed this action overnight after the invasion
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I think around 45% of it currently - they’re talking about firing up currently unused coal plants - there are also talks going on with other North African countries as well.
I’ve always been amazed they’ve not invested more in solar energy - the country has only just started looking at green energy for homes, I think due to Draghi.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #1,575
Sick Boy said:
I think around 45% of it currently - they’re talking about firing up currently unused coal plants - there are also talks going on with other North African countries as well.
I’ve always been amazed they’ve not invested more in solar energy - the country has only just started looking at green energy for homes, I think due to Draghi.
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Germany would grind to a halt.

Can Germany function without Vladimir Putin’s gas?

Nord Stream 2 was meant to deliver 70% of country’s gas and switch to renewable energy sources has been slow
amp.theguardian.com
 
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