Evo1883
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I personally think , might be just me .. NATO would have no choice to react or Russia would never take them seriously again .. putin is mad but not thick
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Erm I did say multiple times we won’t do anything because Putin has held the nuclear deterrent as a threat to anyone who intervenes. If he did it to Estonia would NATO really go all in to defend it?
The deterrent doesn’t work if one side really is willing to hit the button
I mean the thing is even the experts don’t know what happens but doing nothing is wrong as is poking and provoking. They both come wth consequencesAlternatively it’s do something while the invasion’s logistics are still poor and the forces lack cohesion.
I personally think , might be just me .. NATO would have no choice to react or Russia would never take themselves seriously again .. putin is mad but not thick
Would he bomb the UN?
You mean the ones that are pursuing a course of sanctions that you say won’t work. Wait. Are you saying that you know more than western intelligence and military experts.So now you know more than the western intelligence and Military experts.
Wouldn’t be proportionateWhy wouldn't they react with the bombing of responsible countries ?
So we would potentially risk the planet for a country of a million?
Wouldn’t be proportionate
I mean the thing is even the experts don’t know what happens but doing nothing is wrong as is poking and provoking. They both come wth consequences
It’s a strange worldActually NATO would show its prepared to back every one of its almost 1 billion people ... as it should
Actually NATO would show its prepared to back every one of its almost 1 billion people ... as it should
I knowMajor conflicts only need a small trigger , look at WW1 , that didn't seem proportionate
Then we get into the nuclear weapon and MAD discussions. An all- out conflict between NATO and Russia would surely cost more than a million lives ( the approx population of Estonia)Actually NATO would show its prepared to back every one of its almost 1 billion people ... as it should
You mean the ones that are pursuing a course of sanctions that you say won’t work. Wait. Are you saying that you know more than western intelligence and military experts.
It wouldThen we get into the nuclear weapon and MAD discussions. An all- out conflict between NATO and Russia would surely cost more than a million lives ( the approx population of Estonia)
So we do that for Estonia but let Ukraine go? Sorry just not getting it
He’s a retired gateman from JLR.I meant while you were belittling my job what do you do of such grand importance?
To be fair I think he was saying as we don’t care about others we shouldn’t care about ukrainitesG thought we should do nothing at all. The strategists disagreed
G thought we should do nothing at all. The strategists disagreed
Hope they stay safeMy missus' relations all live in a village in Ukraine. Her mum was born there, but back then, it was part of Poland. Then WW2 came, and the Russians took over and made it part of the USSR. Now it's part of Ukraine. The village is called Tomashhorod (Ukrainian is Томашгород and Polish is Tomaszgród )
This is why we are both taking a keen interest in what is happening.
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It's really quite simple.
NATO is a defensive alliance. It will defend it's members. It will not act as World Police and defend non-members.
Whether you agree with it or not, that's the reality.
We had the Budapest agreement. Russia wouldn't threaten Ukrainian territorial integrity if it gave up it nuclear weapons. Putin's argument is that he signed that with a pro- Moscow govt and this one isn't. So the treaty is not longer valid.I simply think this idea of giving up Ukraine with the thought that Putin in good faith will co-operate afterwards is mad. He isn’t a rational actor, that much is very clear
I think sanctions are different to military intervention
Depends what you define as military intervention. We’ve helped arm and train Ukraine army for a few years and upped the arms supply in the last few weeks and months.I think sanctions are different to military intervention
If he invaded the Baltic states I highly doubt this defensive alliance would go toe to toe with him over it. We are dealing with someone who has clearly lost control over his senses. With the enormous landmass Russia has he’s got the least to fear of a nuclear attack out of anyone.
He genuinely can use it as a threat to invade wherever he pleases as current developments show
Not really mate , 75% of its population live in 23% of its land mass
Erm I did say multiple times we won’t do anything because Putin has held the nuclear deterrent as a threat to anyone who intervenes. If he did it to Estonia would NATO really go all in to defend it?
The deterrent doesn’t work if one side really is willing to hit the button
It looks like the Ukrainians are fighting for more than their president. Not sure what him personally surrendering will achieve.
G thought we should do nothing at all. The strategists disagreed
What are we going to be negotiating?
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