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USSR invades Ukraine. (14 Viewers)

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,331
Sky Blue Pete said:
Wouldn’t have got involved in Second World War unless they were on our beaches it appears
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Scared of escalation, scared of war. Putin isn’t scared of either and there is no reason at all to think it stops with conquering Ukraine.

Where are the speeches in Parliament now calling for bombs to be dropped on Russian attack columns, as there were for bombs to be dropped on Syria?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,332
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Scared of escalation, scared of war. Putin isn’t scared of either and there is no reason at all to think it stops with conquering Ukraine.

Where are the speeches in Parliament now calling for bombs to be dropped on Russian attack columns, as there were for bombs to be dropped on Syria?
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Too worried about migrants in their villages
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,333
Sky Blue Pete said:
Too worried about migrants in their villages
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If he attacked Estonia, would NATO really leap to its military defence? I’m starting to have my doubts
 
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Jamesimus

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,334
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m happy it’s different than the Second World War and other aggression has been allowed . I think I’m with shmmee if we are going to hit them hit them now and do it with overwhelming force
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I was merely mocking the "what about" posts earlier on.

But yeah, I'm not sure what is the right thing to do anymore to be honest. Overwhelming force would kill a lot of innocent people and I think the boat may have been missed for that now? I don't know though.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,335
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Scared of escalation, scared of war. Putin isn’t scared of either and there is no reason at all to think it stops with conquering Ukraine.

Where are the speeches in Parliament now calling for bombs to be dropped on Russian attack columns, as there were for bombs to be dropped on Syria?
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You actually think the Uk should act independently of the US, the Eu and NATO and bomb Russia

sounds like a plan
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,336
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If he attacked Estonia, would NATO really leap to its military defence? I’m starting to have my doubts
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It probably depends on a number of factors
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,337
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If he attacked Estonia, would NATO really leap to its military defence? I’m starting to have my doubts
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Yep shmmee has changed my outlook
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,338
Grendel said:
You actually think the Uk should act independently of the US, the Eu and NATO and bomb Russia

sounds like a plan
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Not what he said but again classic whataboutery. China and their citizens is different than Russian attacks on another country. Both wrong but one a different level to the other wouldn’t you agree
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,339
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep shmmee has changed my outlook
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Who is Charles Taylor currently eating porridge in Durham nick?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,340
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not what he said but again classic whataboutery. China and their citizens is different than Russian attacks on another country. Both wrong but one a different level to the other wouldn’t you agree
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Charles Taylor?
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,341
Grendel said:
You actually think the Uk should act independently of the US, the Eu and NATO and bomb Russia

sounds like a plan
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Yes , a crazy one that wouldn't end well
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,342
Jamesimus said:
I was merely mocking the "what about" posts earlier on.

But yeah, I'm not sure what is the right thing to do anymore to be honest. Overwhelming force would kill a lot of innocent people and I think the boat may have been missed for that now? I don't know though.
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Nor me my friend
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,343
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If he attacked Estonia, would NATO really leap to its military defence? I’m starting to have my doubts
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I'm almost certain some there would be a split in nato with some countries unwilling to get involved.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,344
Grendel said:
Charles Taylor?
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You want me to look him out?
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,345
Feel for Ukraine I really do .. hope something can be sorted soon as for all the bravery ... they won't win this war

Clearly we are hoping sanctions stop the war , I doubt they will
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,346
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
I'm almost certain some there would be a split in nato with some countries unwilling to get involved.
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Yep absolutely
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
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Grendel said:
Charles Taylor?
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This guy?

Charles Taylor (Liberian politician) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

He’s linked because?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,348
Sky Blue Pete said:
You want me to look him out?
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he invaded a country, murdered 100,000 people, mutilated women, allowed the rape of women. It makes this look like a picnic. He’s in a prison in Durham. Did you give a fuck as it all happened in Africa so didn’t effect you?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,349
Sky Blue Pete said:
This guy?

Charles Taylor (Liberian politician) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

He’s linked because?
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did you want to go to war with Liberia?
 

tisza

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,350
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If he attacked Estonia, would NATO really leap to its military defence? I’m starting to have my doubts
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This is key.
NATO never been tested. Would it start a possible nuclear war over a country of 1.3 million people?
Again a sizeable Russian minority. If the tactics are repeated will the world go to war because Russia creates another enclave of around 250000 people?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,351
Grendel said:
did you want to go to war with Liberia?
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Whataboutery
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,352
Grendel said:
did you want to go to war with Liberia?
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And wasn’t it within his country? We absolutely should have been involved. It’s no excuse but was that part of France’s empire? You seem to be saying don’t do something now to stop the thousands of deaths cause we didn’t do anything before. Ok I respect that but you’re wrong
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,353
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If he attacked Estonia, would NATO really leap to its military defence? I’m starting to have my doubts
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The bigger point to make from this would be , if they attacked a NATO state and NATO sat back and did nothing there would be no point in NATO .

I personally don't think putin would do it
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,354
tisza said:
This is key.
NATO never been tested. Would it start a possible nuclear war over a country of 1.3 million people?
Again a sizeable Russian minority. If the tactics are repeated will the world go to war because Russia creates another enclave of around 250000 people?
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Nope
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,355
Sky Blue Pete said:
Whataboutery
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Is this your new word. Compared to your hypocrisy?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,356
Grendel said:
You actually think the Uk should act independently of the US, the Eu and NATO and bomb Russia

sounds like a plan
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Did not say that anywhere
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,357
Grendel said:
Is this your new word. Compared to your hypocrisy?
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I can’t be accused of hypocrisy I have no way of doing anything. At best it’s apathy. We can’t do everything but we can do what is in front of us to do.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,358
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Did not say that anywhere
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well what would you do?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,359
Evo1883 said:
The bigger point to make from this would be , if they attacked a NATO state and NATO sat back and did nothing there would be no point in NATO .

I personally don't think putin would do it
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I’m not so sure. He can just threaten the nukes and see if NATO backs off. It is after all the main reason we have let him crack on with it, to closely phrase a certain someone.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,360
Sky Blue Pete said:
I can’t be accused of hypocrisy I have no way of doing anything. At best it’s apathy. We can’t do everything but we can do what is in front of us to do.
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well you want military action and British military troops would die. I assume you’d volunteer to go there and fight?
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,361
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’m not so sure. He can just threaten the nukes and see if NATO backs off. It is after all the main reason we have let him crack on with it, to closely phrase a certain someone.
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I think to an extent , as horrible as it sounds NATO are stuck between a rock and a hard place .

Let a non member country fall to keep global peace seems a shithouse tactic yet a solution sadly
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,362
Grendel said:
well what would you do?
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Assemble a UN force to bomb the convoys while they remain exposed
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,363
Evo1883 said:
The bigger point to make from this would be , if they attacked a NATO state and NATO sat back and did nothing there would be no point in NATO .

I personally don't think putin would do it
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Admit to being very ignorant on these topics but nato sounds good and is a great deterrent against attacks as shown

But if it came to actual action getting 30 countries to all agree and be acting in the same direction with so many different agendas and countries protecting self interests I think would be very difficult.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,364
Evo1883 said:
I think to an extent , as horrible as it sounds NATO are stuck between a rock and a hard place .

Let a non member country fall to keep global peace seems a shithouse tactic yet a solution sadly
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Georgia and Moldova will be next. How many to fall before we do something?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,365
Grendel said:
well you want military action and British military troops would die. I assume you’d volunteer to go there and fight?
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Whataboutery once again. I’ve no idea what needs to happen. Thankfully I’m not in a position to make these decisions I don’t think I could. Until you came along we were debating different ideas acknowledging that none of us knows best and working out our fear and understanding together as mates where we didn’t need to get one over one another but just needed to discuss
 
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