The problem with Versailles is that It crippled a peaceful German democracy. Economic sanctions should be put on the megalomaniacal Putin to remove Russia's ability to wage war when they're actually waging it and then if he is removed we should support the development of a democratic Russia just as was done to West Germany post WWIII wonder when it stops being useful and becomes inflammatory to ruin the Russian economy. Isn’t that what happened after world war 1 and led to world war 2?
I don’t know the answer but it strikes me that we need to leave putin room to step towards peace rather than with no hope whatsoever and no options whatsoever. Even if that’s only in his mind
Good shout that and I agree with the last sentenceGuessing the difference with Germany and Russia would be Russia's huge resources of energy will enable it to recover fairly quickly once sanctions are lifted.
WW2 recovery was different because it involved the near total removal of the Nazi regime but more importantly Govts wanted a strong Germany to combat the threat of the Soviet Union.
For all the talk I haven't yet seen anyone prominent offer a practical method of getting Putin to withdraw that would be acceptable to both sides. Maybe these talks will throw up something but does feel "well we tried" exercise for domestic consumption.
That’s absolutely true too. Post aggression is a different question. YepThe problem with Versailles is that It crippled a peaceful German democracy. Economic sanctions should be put on the megalomaniacal Putin to remove Russia's ability to wage war when they're actually waging it and then if he is removed we should support the development of a democratic Russia just as was done to West Germany post WWII
The problem with Versailles is that It crippled a peaceful German democracy. Economic sanctions should be put on the megalomaniacal Putin to remove Russia's ability to wage war when they're actually waging it and then if he is removed we should support the development of a democratic Russia just as was done to West Germany post WWII
CowardsFuck sake. Russians shelling civilian areas of Kharkiv.
I think the get out needs to be provided to another member of his inner circle who has the army on side and will remove him tbhAgree with this but I also understand where Pete is coming from, there might have to be some kind of ‘get out’ for Putin.
That does strike me as the most likely route to ending this but its hard to gauge what the Russian population in general think of what is happening let alone his inner circle.I think the get out needs to be provided to another member of his inner circle who has the army on side and will remove him tbh
Not just shells but also videos of them using cluster bombs. They are completely indiscriminate and why most countries have banned them.Fuck sake. Russians shelling civilian areas of Kharkiv.
The Russians have said they've put their nukes on special alert because of comments made by Liz Truss which they have objected to.
Unclear at the moment which comments they have objected to.
Not just shells but also videos of them using cluster bombs. They are completely indiscriminate and why most countries have banned them.
Fear this is just the start of a serious escalation from the Russians.
Shouldn't have said it was okay for UK individuals to go and fight in Ukraine. That was considered a crime for those who went to fight for or against ISIS. Gives Russia a chance to claim it is some sort of NATO involvement on the ground in UkraineThe Russians have said they've put their nukes on special alert because of comments made by Liz Truss which they have objected to.
Unclear at the moment which comments they have objected to.
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Presumably he thought the Ukrainians would surrender/comply. I guess going in heavy means that there are going to be problems once he’s got what he wanted.
[/QUOTEof those convoys need to be dealt with. this would at least make that harder. Fuel supply seems to be a problem so the bigger the convoy the better it gets if they can be hot from the air.
Shouldn't have said it was okay for UK individuals to go and fight in Ukraine. That was considered a crime for those who went to fight for or against ISIS. Gives Russia a chance to claim it is some sort of NATO involvement on the ground in Ukraine
She looks well out of her depth but Kremlin probably looking for someone to "blame" to justify their nuke posturing.The Russians have said they've put their nukes on special alert because of comments made by Liz Truss which they have objected to.
Unclear at the moment which comments they have objected to.
The Russians have said they've put their nukes on special alert because of comments made by Liz Truss which they have objected to.
Unclear at the moment which comments they have objected to.
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Truss is just majorly out of her depth - she’s a key cabinet member, so of course they’re going to listen/seize on what she’s said.Do people actually listen to her ?!!
Joking apart I presume this related to Truss not objecting to Uk citizens joining the International Brigade to fight in Ukraine. Unwise/naive comments as it might encourage amateurs going over as freedom fighters and also gives Russia some ammunition when it comes to the propaganda war. We can’t stop people doing this and I’m sure ex military will go over…hardly a nato nation joining the war though
The fact that Russia have seized upon this to try to justify their nuclear threat is ridiculous, however, I heard James O’Brien lapping up their comments and try to make out that Truss is some kind of nuclear war mongerHe needs to remember these are the same people that say they have invaded ukraine to de-nazify them and remove their drug addled leaders ie ignore everything they say as it’s bullshit
Shouldn't have said it was okay for UK individuals to go and fight in Ukraine. That was considered a crime for those who went to fight for or against ISIS. Gives Russia a chance to claim it is some sort of NATO involvement on the ground in Ukraine
Is it too late for them to say just leave us alone and we promise not to join NATO or the EU? Might counter the excuse of Russia's aggression of feeling threatened. Appreciate that's a climbdown and it it's to an extent giving in to bullies. but it will at the moment save lives and not every bully has an aresnal that could wipe out most of the planet.Ukraine ask for a ceasefire during the talks, Russia ramp up their efforts on Kharkiv and are now firing indiscriminately into civilian areas. This is going from very bad to worse and I fear todays talks will amount to Russia only accepting unconditional surrender and if that is not forthcoming then Kiev will be flattened in short order.
Truss is just majorly out of her depth - she’s a key cabinet member, so of course they’re going to listen/seize on what she’s said.
Problem is what binding guarantees can be given and whether it stops Russia employing similar tactics in the likes of Moldova & Georgia.Is it too late for them to say just leave us alone and we promise not to join NATO or the EU? Might counter the excuse of Russia's aggression of feeling threatened. Appreciate that's a climbdown and it it's to an extent giving in to bullies. but it will at the moment save lives and not every bully has an aresnal that could wipe out most of the planet.
They’re also still active after a ceasefire. When Isreal use them in Gaza they killed almost as many people after the ceasefire as they do during the “conflict”. Usually children too playing on bomb sites.Not just shells but also videos of them using cluster bombs. They are completely indiscriminate and why most countries have banned them.
Fear this is just the start of a serious escalation from the Russians.
Oh and
I dunno, missiles targiting its allies surely includes Belarus etc.View attachment 24000
Read this earlier which is at least a little bit more reassuring ie at the moment a madman can’t just say ‘press the button’. Although lets hope the doctrine isn’t currently being updated on Putins Commodore 64
lol you jest! I hope it's a bit more "reliable information" than a previous scare in the 80s' when the sun's reflection on the US bases tripped the "incoming" alarm!View attachment 24000
Read this earlier which is at least a little bit more reassuring ie at the moment a madman can’t just say ‘press the button’. Although lets hope the doctrine isn’t currently being updated on Putins Commodore 64
Also looked like Windows 98 or something on his computer too
good, see what they done to Kharkiv while holding "peace talks" joke, only way this war ends is if putin is overthrown or killed,talks over already apparently.
She's just incredibly incredibly stupid
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