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Flying Fokker

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  • Nov 21, 2025
  • #10,431
Full text of Trump and Putin's 28-point peace plan for Ukraine

This is Trump bending over to Putin again.



1. Ukraine's sovereignty will be confirmed.

2. A comprehensive [sic] and comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.

3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and NATO will not expand further.

4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.

5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.

6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.

7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.

8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.

9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.

10. US guarantee:

The US will receive compensation for the guarantee.

If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee.

If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked.

If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.

11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.

12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to:

a. The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centres, and artificial intelligence.

b. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernise, and operate Ukraine's gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities.

c. Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernisation of cities and residential areas.

d. Infrastructure development.

e. Extraction of minerals and natural resources.

f. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.

13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:

a. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis.

b. The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centres, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.

c. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.

14. Frozen funds will be used as follows:

$100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine's reconstruction. Frozen European funds will be unfrozen. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.

15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.

16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.

17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty.

18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

19. The Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50.

20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programmes in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice:

a. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities.

b. Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education.

c. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.

21. Territories:

a. Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognised as de facto Russian, including by the United States.

b. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.

c. Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions.

d. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarised buffer zone, internationally recognised as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarised zone.

22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment.

23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.

24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues:

a. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis.

b. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children.

c. A family reunification programme will be implemented.

d. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict.

25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days.

26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.

27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.

28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2025
  • #10,432
It’s like the Palestine ‘deal’. Totally one sided. Give Putin everything he wants and pay the US for the privilege

How on earth can Zelensky give guarantees of who will or won’t be in NATO in the future
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 21, 2025
  • #10,433
Daddy Vladdy must be threatening to release the videos again.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2025
  • #10,434
So unfair

Putin backs US plan for ending Ukraine war as Trump gives Kyiv deadline to accept

President Zelensky says Ukraine faces one of the most difficult moments in its history, as the White House pushes its plan.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

eastwoodsdustman

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2025
  • #10,435
You really do have to question what hold The Russians have over him to even contemplate it being a workable solution.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,436
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,437
Sky Blue Pete said:
So unfair

Putin backs US plan for ending Ukraine war as Trump gives Kyiv deadline to accept

President Zelensky says Ukraine faces one of the most difficult moments in its history, as the White House pushes its plan.
www.bbc.co.uk
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It’s ridiculous. To suggest limiting Ukraines army when they’ve just been invaded is frankly idiotic. Obviously it will never be accepted so why even include it ?! Hope it can at least open up negotiations to enable them to find a proper peace solution but I can’t say I’m overly confident
 
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SBAndy

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,438
CCFCSteve said:
It’s ridiculous. To suggest limiting Ukraines army when they’ve just been invaded is frankly idiotic. Obviously it will never be accepted so why even include it ?! Hope it can at least open up negotiations to enable them to find a proper peace solution but I can’t say I’m overly confident
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Hope this rationalises some of the points:

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,439
SBAndy said:
Hope this rationalises some of the points:

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Yeah, saw it on X yesterday. Putins wish list
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,440
Sky Blue Pete said:
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You missed the bit where Ukraine attacked the Donbas from 2014 to 2022.

But definitely the war is all about resources and communications not about the peoples, not for either side.
 
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mmttww

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,441
CCFCSteve said:
It’s ridiculous. To suggest limiting Ukraines army when they’ve just been invaded is frankly idiotic.
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art of the deal from a very stable genius, innit.
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,442
Don't worry, the Coalition of the Willing have a cunning plan.
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,443
SIR ERNIE said:
Don't worry, the Coalition of the Willing have a cunning plan.
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Well whatever it is it'll be more of a plan than your guy's submission to Putin.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,444
PVA said:
Well whatever it is it'll be more of a plan than your guy's submission to Putin.
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You mean continuing to buy energy off him?
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,445
Grendel said:
You mean continuing to buy energy off him?
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No I mean presenting Putin's wish list as a peace plan because he's got photos of your guy being pissed on by hookers.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,446
PVA said:
No I mean presenting Putin's wish list as a peace plan because he's got photos of your guy being pissed on by hookers.
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He’s not my guy and the only difference with Trump is he for some reason - his ego one assumes - is showing any interest at all.

Obama didn’t even seem to know why Crimea was. Biden couldn’t even tell the difference between Zelensky and Putin. Dubya and Clinton wouldn’t have given a fuck.
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,447
Grendel said:
He’s not my guy and the only difference with Trump is he for some reason - his ego one assumes - is showing any interest at all.

Obama didn’t even seem to know why Crimea was. Biden couldn’t even tell the difference between Zelensky and Putin. Dubya and Clinton wouldn’t have given a fuck.
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'He's not my guy but I'll keep defending him over and over'

 

Captain Dart

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,448
SIR ERNIE said:
Don't worry, the Coalition of the Willing have a cunning plan.
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LOL, I'd almost forgotten about that stupid Starmerism.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,449
PVA said:
'He's not my guy but I'll keep defending him over and over'

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I couldn’t care less. The notion any president would be bothered either way is laughable- unless US interests are threatened history shows they don’t care less
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,450
Captain Dart said:
LOL, I'd almost forgotten about that stupid Starmerism.
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It's not a Starmer-ism, if you're trying to suggest he came up with the phrase.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,451
Grendel said:
You mean continuing to buy energy off him?
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Yeah, that’s the bit where we can’t really have any complaints. This isn’t really trumps war and he’s got a point when he talks about Europe continuing to buy oil and gas from Russia (idiotic and when you look at what some of them are paying for the electricity unit price makes us look like mugs)

Just googled - According to data from the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA), as of May 2025:

Total Russian fossil fuel export revenue since the invasion was over €883 billion.

Of this total, approximately €209 billion came specifically from EU member states.

ps still can’t justify asking Ukraine to give up half their military though !
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,452
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, that’s the bit where we can’t really have any complaints. This isn’t really trumps war and he’s got a point when he talks about Europe continuing to buy oil and gas from Russia (idiotic and when you look at what some of them are paying for the electricity unit price makes us look like mugs)

Just googled - According to data from the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA), as of May 2025:

Total Russian fossil fuel export revenue since the invasion was over €883 billion.

Of this total, approximately €209 billion came specifically from EU member states.

ps still can’t justify asking Ukraine to give up half their military though !
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It’s the coalition of the willing
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,453
This Trump bloke needs to meet with Epstein.

He’s been found out yet again. Surely he’s going to be impeached?
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,454
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, that’s the bit where we can’t really have any complaints. This isn’t really trumps war and he’s got a point when he talks about Europe continuing to buy oil and gas from Russia (idiotic and when you look at what some of them are paying for the electricity unit price makes us look like mugs)

Just googled - According to data from the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA), as of May 2025:

Total Russian fossil fuel export revenue since the invasion was over €883 billion.

Of this total, approximately €209 billion came specifically from EU member states.

ps still can’t justify asking Ukraine to give up half their military though !
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It's all dropped massively from pre war though, it's not the kind of thing you can just switch off overnight.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,455
PVA said:
It's not a Starmer-ism, if you're trying to suggest he came up with the phrase.
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Ha ha, it turns out he has copied others in an entirely unoriginal way.

Funnily enough the willingness does not extend beyond funding the Ukrainian forces to send their young men to die in a hopeless cause.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,456
PVA said:
It's all dropped massively from pre war though, it's not the kind of thing you can just switch off overnight.
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It has and I think it’s due to totally end by 2027. You cannot fund your enemy and then wonder why they’re still going strong 3+ years later. Sure I read that the Russian energy purchases have outweighed the financial support provided to Ukraine
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,457
CCFCSteve said:
It has and I think it’s due to totally end by 2027. You cannot fund your enemy and then wonder why they’re still going strong 3+ years later. Sure I read that the Russian energy purchases have outweighed the financial support provided to Ukraine
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Coalition of the willing

EU bankrolling Putin with growing Russian fuel buys from India, report warns

The EU is paying more for fuel imports made from Moscow’s crude, showcasing the growing failure of its signature price-cap sanction.
www.politico.eu
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,458
Captain Dart said:
Ha ha, it turns out he has copied others in an entirely unoriginal way.

Funnily enough the willingness does not extend beyond funding the Ukrainian forces to send their young men to die in a hopeless cause.
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Haha look at this phrase he made up

Oops I mean, haha look he copied a phrase.

And yes of course Starmer is to blame for Ukrainians dying, he's the real baddie.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,459
CCFCSteve said:
ps still can’t justify asking Ukraine to give up half their military though !
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The demand for the Ukrainian nuclear plant the Russians seized to supply half and half energy to Russia is a bizarre request, as is this clause about Nazi symbols in Ukraine.

You can't appease a maniac like Putin which is all that agreeing to this would attempt (and fail) to do.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,460
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The demand for the Ukrainian nuclear plant the Russians seized to supply half and half energy to Russia is a bizarre request, as is this clause about Nazi symbols in Ukraine.

You can't appease a maniac like Putin which is all that agreeing to this would attempt (and fail) to do.
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The Nazi symbols reference is probably aimed at the likes of the Azov Brigade.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,461
Sick Boy said:
The Nazi symbols reference is probably aimed at the likes of the Azov Brigade.
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I would accept things like that if Putin's men hadn't destroyed holocaust memorial sites.
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,462
CCFCSteve said:
It has and I think it’s due to totally end by 2027. You cannot fund your enemy and then wonder why they’re still going strong 3+ years later.
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They aren't still going strong though, hence why they're at the negotiating table nearly 4 years into a war they planned would be over in days.

There's no doubt the EU reduction has had a big impact, even though in a perfect world it would be zero (and hopefully they can get there as you say).
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,463
PVA said:
They aren't still going strong though, hence why they're at the negotiating table nearly 4 years into a war they planned would be over in days.

There's no doubt the EU reduction has had a big impact, even though in a perfect world it would be zero (and hopefully they can get there as you say).
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Where are the purchases from India from?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,464
Ah

India is selling Russian oil products to EU at record rate before ban kicks in

From January new EU sanctions will prohibit the import of petroleum products refined from Russian oil in third countries
www.independent.co.uk
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 23, 2025
  • #10,465
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, that’s the bit where we can’t really have any complaints. This isn’t really trumps war and he’s got a point when he talks about Europe continuing to buy oil and gas from Russia (idiotic and when you look at what some of them are paying for the electricity unit price makes us look like mugs)

Just googled - According to data from the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA), as of May 2025:

Total Russian fossil fuel export revenue since the invasion was over €883 billion.

Of this total, approximately €209 billion came specifically from EU member states.

ps still can’t justify asking Ukraine to give up half their military though !
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When did Boris get rid of our storage for gas?
 
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