I've just made the point that Obama's actions show that we need to be more firm, not less. Do you disagree?
I think the point is fairly easy to understand - even for you.
I've just made the point that Obama's actions show that we need to be more firm, not less. Do you disagree?
The appeasement is nothing new and has always gone on. No one seemed to care back in 2014 though.I've just made the point that Obama's actions show that we need to be more firm, not less. Do you disagree?
He’s already seemingly acknowledged Obama’s decision was the correct one. Bizarre.
The appeasement is nothing new and has always gone on. No one seemed to care back in 2014 though.
The idea that their army and country were on the verge of collapse, as was claimed on here, was never the case and there was always going to be appeasement eventually.
That would involve a declaration of war, which would never happen...unless they directly attacked the USA.The point is that we should be learning from previous mistakes, not repeating them or even making them worse.
Trying to bog people down in a quagmire of he said she saidAbsolutely all over the shop trying to defend... something.
I would be confident in saying Obama’s handling of the presidency was far superior to Trump and Bush while still leaving much to be desired domestically and abroad.
He did at least strike a nuclear deal with Iran, restore relations with Cuba and eliminate bin Laden. The present incumbent wants to ‘take’ Gaza, absorb Greenland and Canada and rinse Ukraine dry while letting Putin have everything he wants. Bush of course started the war in Iraq which threw the region into chaos for decades after.
Really want to play this game?
Didn’t Trump famously drop more bombs in his first 6 months than Obama did in his 2 terms? In all the same countries bombed under Obama. Including the largest bomb to be dropped in a military operation since Hiroshima by any country, nicknamed the Mother of all Bombs.Really want to play this game?
He also ordered the assassination by drone of an Iranian general on his own soilDidn’t Trump famously drop more bombs in his first 6 months than Obama did in his 2 terms? In all the same countries bombed under Obama. Including the largest bomb to be dropped in a military operation since Hiroshima by any country, nicknamed the Mother of all Bombs.
Didn’t Trump famously drop more bombs in his first 6 months than Obama did in his 2 terms? In all the same countries bombed under Obama. Including the largest bomb to be dropped in a military operation since Hiroshima by any country, nicknamed the Mother of all Bombs.
Not what he actually said was it G?Bigger than that dropped in Nagasaki Tonester? Wow where was it?
He also ordered the assassination by drone of an Iranian general on his own soil
He's trying to score points by knowing that Nagasaki was after Hiroshima, i suspect!Not what he actually said was it G?
Slightly different, IMHO - legitimate government (no matter whether you like them or not) versus leader of international terrorist organisationThat’s a bad thing because…?
Obama sanctioned the assassination of Osama Bin Laden, is that bad too?!
Well okay, after Nagasaki then.Bigger than that dropped in Nagasaki Tonester? Wow where was it?
What crimes had the Iranian committed against the US?That’s a bad thing because…?
Obama sanctioned the assassination of Osama Bin Laden, is that bad too?!
Slightly different, IMHO - legitimate government (no matter whether you like them or not) versus leader of international terrorist organisation
I'm sure in your head you're really pleased with this answer because this is factually correct so you think you've got one over him.Bigger than that dropped in Nagasaki Tonester? Wow where was it?
I'm sure in your head you're really pleased with this answer because this is factually correct so you think you've got one over him.
What everyone else thinks is "there's someone who can't actually argue the point that's clearly being made."
I heard Putins puppet blaming Ukraine in a speach today. They could have stuck a deal 3 years ago apparently.
Its Ridiculous that he can blame a country for being invaded and more so that his supporters will lap it up and stir up anti Ukraine feelings in Amercia.
The blokes an arsehole.
You can see their MO with the language they use to try and twist stuff and clearly a joint effort.Trump is a parasite.Yep, they've got some brass neck these cunts.
Here's the deputy foreign minister on the possibility of peace keeping troops in Ukraine following a peace deal:
"Alexander Grushko added: 'Under whatever guise they appear there, this is a step towards escalation.'"
I do Mr King Of Deflection ! Argue your points don't spin off into bewildering off topic 'counter' points which have no relevance.I doubt anyone is thinking anything or cares less
I do Mr King Of Deflection ! Argue your points don't spin off into bewildering off topic 'counter' points which have no relevance.
Yes maybe Obama and Biden were too standoffish towards Russia. Now is our last chance to stand together... but alas step forward the man child.... desperate to make it easier for Putin and therefore harsher for Ukraine and Russian families and children alike.
Doesn’t fit with his binary worldview.
What worries me is that Putin has waged war on a sovereign country, and now if we are led to believe right, Trump wants to rape it economically. Two sides of the same sword, but the MAGA's will lap it all up that Trump is wonderful
They should have backed him financially to make the gains they were after IMO, but you know this and we disagree on it.No Charles I am not deflecting at all.
The mistake the West made historically was to encourage the break up of the Soviet Union and then leave the Russian people in abject misery and hardship without any care whatsoever. Gorbachev promised a land of promise and hope and delivered poverty not witnessed since WW2
Ironically in his fading years even Gorbachev admitted that the East of Ukraine was Russian speaking and its inhabitants should be Russian.
The West should have tried to make alliances with Russia and it didn't. Now we see the outcome.
Russia is top 5 in billionaires and top 4 in billionaires per capita in the world. The only people that left the Russian people in abject misery and hardship was Putin and his oligarchs by stealing and hoarding the nation’s wealth.No Charles I am not deflecting at all.
The mistake the West made historically was to encourage the break up of the Soviet Union and then leave the Russian people in abject misery and hardship without any care whatsoever. Gorbachev promised a land of promise and hope and delivered poverty not witnessed since WW2
Ironically in his fading years even Gorbachev admitted that the East of Ukraine was Russian speaking and its inhabitants should be Russian.
The West should have tried to make alliances with Russia and it didn't. Now we see the outcome.
Russia is top 5 in billionaires and top 4 in billionaires per capita in the world. The only people that left the Russian people in abject misery and hardship was Putin and his oligarchs by stealing and hoarding the nation’s wealth.
Russia is top 5 in billionaires and top 4 in billionaires per capita in the world. The only people that left the Russian people in abject misery and hardship was Putin and his oligarchs by stealing and hoarding the nation’s wealth.
Given you’re the guy that’s directly quoting Putins 2014 address to the nation when the ruble tanked when oil prices collapsed as Russia had Dutch disease to feed himself and his oligarchs billions your response to basic facts doesn’t surprise me. You just can’t bring yourself to lay any blame on Putin. The fact is things could have been very different in Russia if they had invested in other industries instead of a select few investing in super yachts, London property, football clubs etc. They were an industrial might in a prime position to capitalise on it but it was too hard work for Putin and his oligarchs so they got rich quick on natural resources while industry crumbled. They could have easily become a major production centre for the world much like China has, they had all the right ingredients but Putin put his mates and himself first and ordinary Russian people a very distant second. He then created the bogey man of the west and him being the only person strong enough to protect Russia and you’ve swallowed the lot, very easily. The biggest mistake that the west made was believing a man like Putin could be traded with in the interest of lasting peace. Putin was only ever in hindsight going to keep upping the ante because his world is built on a bed of lies. Now here we are.Ok Tonester
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