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Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,626
PVA said:
And they're losing 2000 men PER DAY, their highest losses of the war.

Staggering numbers.
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The latest bbc article suggests Ukraine’s losses are far higher than official numbers - more than 400,000 in total
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,627
Grendel said:
The latest bbc article suggests Ukraine’s losses are far higher than official numbers - more than 400,000 in total
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The BBC does not suggest that, someone they interview does.

Russia will hit the one million mark in a few months. It's absolutely obscene.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,628
PVA said:
The BBC does not suggest that, someone they interview does.

Russia will hit the one million mark in a few months. It's absolutely obscene.
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Both sides will obviously lie about their number of casualties.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,629
Sick Boy said:
Both sides will obviously lie about their number of casualties.
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I know, I'm not basing Russian losses on their own figures or from Ukraine's.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,630
PVA said:
The BBC does not suggest that, someone they interview does.

Russia will hit the one million mark in a few months. It's absolutely obscene.
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Is the million from an independent verified source? Whats the “official” Ukraine figure?
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,631
Grendel said:
Is the million from an independent verified source? Whats the “official” Ukraine figure?
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There is no 'verified source' or 'official figure' for either side, obviously.

UK and US intelligence has very similar numbers for Russian losses.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,632
Sick Boy said:
Both sides will obviously lie about their number of casualties.
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Bastard Russians

At least I know if I have a visitor try to throw me out of my bedroom window, I have the relative comfort of living in a bungalow
 
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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,633
MalcSB said:
Bastard Russians

At least I know if I have a visitor try to throw me out of my bedroom window, I have the relative comfort of living in a bungalow
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Good thinking, you might want to wear rubber gloves when you're opening your front door though mate.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,634
PVA said:
And they're losing 2000 men PER DAY, their highest losses of the war.

Staggering numbers.
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A large chunk of that was friendly fire from North Korean solders apparently. Couldn’t make it up.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,635
skybluetony176 said:
A large chunk of that was friendly fire from North Korean solders apparently. Couldn’t make it up.
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Where is the source for that Tonester?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,636
So we’re supposed to believe that Ukraine has had 43,000 casualties compared to Russia’s one million.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,637
Sick Boy said:
So we’re supposed to believe that Ukraine has had 43,000 casualties compared to Russia’s one million.
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Given no one is saying that probably not. I think you’re confusing casualties with deaths. 43K was Ukraines official death toll at the beginning of December, its casualty rate is far higher at 370k up to the same period. No sure where you’re getting a million figure from but Ukraine estimated by that same period 198k Russians killed and another 550k injured.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,638
skybluetony176 said:
Given no one is saying that probably not. I think you’re confusing casualties with deaths. 43K was Ukraines official death toll at the beginning of December, its casualty rate is far higher at 370k up to the same period. No sure where you’re getting a million figure from but Ukraine estimated by that same period 198k Russians killed and another 550k injured.
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The one million claim is from here
Post in thread 'USSR invades Ukraine.'
USSR invades Ukraine.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,639
Sick Boy said:
The one million claim is from here
Post in thread 'USSR invades Ukraine.'
USSR invades Ukraine.
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As he just said, you're getting confused between deaths and casualties.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,640
Sick Boy said:
The one million claim is from here
Post in thread 'USSR invades Ukraine.'
USSR invades Ukraine.
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So exactly like I said then. No one is saying that a million Russians have been killed as opposed to 43k Ukrainian deaths. Total combined casualties for Russia of deaths and injuries reaching a million is not beyond the realms of possibilities if Putin insists on continuing with his imperialistic folly.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,641
Some posters need to get their head around the cost of any Russian gains in terms of land. Russias casualty rate has increased exponentially this year to make little gains (in the big scheme of things) of bombed out waste lands. Ironically it tends to be the same posters dribbling over these inconsequential gains who accuse others of having a blood lust.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,642
skybluetony176 said:
So exactly like I said then. No one is saying that a million Russians have been killed as opposed to 43k Ukrainian deaths. Total combined casualties for Russia of deaths and injuries reaching a million is not beyond the realms of possibilities if Putin insists on continuing with his imperialistic folly.
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No one?

https://www.wsj.com/world/one-million-are-now-dead-or-injured-in-the-russia-ukraine-war-b09d04e5

The 43,000 figure is Ukrainian “official” figures. In other words nonsense
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,643
Grendel said:
No one?

https://www.wsj.com/world/one-million-are-now-dead-or-injured-in-the-russia-ukraine-war-b09d04e5

The 43,000 figure is Ukrainian “official” figures. In other words nonsense
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Fuck me you’re dumb. Do you not read anything you post? It’s even in the first paragraph. That’s the combined total of Russian and Ukrainian casualties. It’s also wholly consistent with what Ukraine claims are total casualties for both themselves and Russia. If your brains were dynamite you wouldn’t have enough to blow your nose.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,644
Grendel said:
No one?

https://www.wsj.com/world/one-million-are-now-dead-or-injured-in-the-russia-ukraine-war-b09d04e5

The 43,000 figure is Ukrainian “official” figures. In other words nonsense
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Are you still drunk from last night?
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,645
Grendel said:
No one?

https://www.wsj.com/world/one-million-are-now-dead-or-injured-in-the-russia-ukraine-war-b09d04e5
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Oh dear
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,646
skybluetony176 said:
Fuck me you’re dumb. Do you not read anything you post? It’s even in the first paragraph. That’s the combined total of Russian and Ukrainian casualties. It’s also wholly consistent with what Ukraine claims are total casualties for both themselves and Russia. If your brains were dynamite you wouldn’t have enough to blow your nose.
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Tonester no independent source has 43,000 Ukraine deaths. Yes I do and the death stated are 80,000 or around that It says it’s impossible and official figures are nonsense.

The general consensus is the figures are at double on both sides.

When I quoted a Ukrainian source saying the true Ukraine figures of dead and injured are more like 400,000 it was only conjecture apparently
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,647
Grendel said:
Tonester no independent source has 43,000 Ukraine deaths. Yes I do and the death stated are 80,000 or around that It says it’s impossible and official figures are nonsense.

The general consensus is the figures are at double on both sides.

When I quoted a Ukrainian source saying the true Ukraine figures of dead and injured are more like 400,000 it was only conjecture apparently
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You tried to claim that Ukrainians were saying that they were less than 400k , which they wasn’t. I’ve quoted official Ukrainian figures from the 6th of December (413k) which are consistent with 400k.

You’re just all over the place. Claiming that Ukraine has said something that they haven’t, claiming that the BBC said something they didn’t to back up your claim Ukraine has said something that they didn’t, linking an article that you clearly didn’t read which actually confirmed in the headline what I said while dismissing what you thought it said out of hand.

Take a day off from being the village idiots idiot.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,648
duffer said:
Good thinking, you might want to wear rubber gloves when you're opening your front door though mate.
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Always do.
Full hazmat suit from now on.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,649
skybluetony176 said:
You tried to claim that Ukrainians were saying that they were less than 400k , which they wasn’t. I’ve quoted official Ukrainian figures from the 6th of December (413k) which are consistent with 400k.

You’re just all over the place. Claiming that Ukraine has said something that they haven’t, claiming that the BBC said something they didn’t to back up your claim Ukraine has said something that they didn’t, linking an article that you clearly didn’t read which actually confirmed in the headline what I said while dismissing what you thought it said out of hand.

Take a day off from being the village idiots idiot.
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All lost in the fog of a Special Military Operation.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,650
skybluetony176 said:
You tried to claim that Ukrainians were saying that they were less than 400k , which they wasn’t. I’ve quoted official Ukrainian figures from the 6th of December (413k) which are consistent with 400k.

You’re just all over the place. Claiming that Ukraine has said something that they haven’t, claiming that the BBC said something they didn’t to back up your claim Ukraine has said something that they didn’t, linking an article that you clearly didn’t read which actually confirmed in the headline what I said while dismissing what you thought it said out of hand.

Take a day off from being the village idiots idiot.
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Independent sources estimated between 60 and 100,000 Ukrainian deaths even 12 months ago Tonester - has crimea fell yet?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #9,651
Grendel said:
Independent sources estimated between 60 and 100,000 Ukrainian deaths even 12 months ago Tonester - has crimea fell yet?
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Mmm… interesting. And what do these independent sources believe the actual Russian death toll to be and how does that compare to the Kremlins official figures? Given you think accuracy of reported casualty rates is the measure of who’s in the wrong how do those two sticks compare? Is Ukraine more honest and trustworthy than Russia when it comes to casualty rates? It more honest isn’t it.

Also curious how you’re once again trying to move the goalposts. You say that the Ukrainian casualties are bigger than they’re reporting, more than 400k you claimed initially, when pointed out that they’re claiming that their casualties are officially over 400k you go and look for new figures.

Just so you know, you’ll always find higher figures and for many reasons. Countries always lie about casualties during war. We did it in WW1 and 2 for many reasons from morale at home to military tactics. You also have to consider that Ukraine doesn’t really know what has happened to the soldiers stranded behind enemy lines. Are they in prison, where they KIA or where they murdered after surrendering. We’ll only know the true figures after the dust has settled. Well, on the Ukraine side, I doubt we’ll ever know the true Russian numbers regardless.

The other reason you especially will find bigger figures is because you’re not bothered about the source, you don’t actually understand what you’re reading as you’ve proven once already today and you’ll always add your own context.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 2, 2025
  • #9,652
In 2024 Russia captured land roughly the size of Northamptonshire for the loss of 150-200k men.


 
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SBT

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  • Jan 21, 2025
  • #9,653
Wasn't it supposed to be over by now?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 21, 2025
  • #9,654
SBT said:
Wasn't it supposed to be over by now?
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Yep
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 22, 2025
  • #9,655
SBT said:
Wasn't it supposed to be over by now?
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Give the man a chance!

He had a busy first day pardoning criminals and neo Nazis. You know, getting the important stuff out the way first.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 22, 2025
  • #9,656
PVA said:
Give the man a chance!

He had a busy first day pardoning criminals and neo Nazis. You know, getting the important stuff out the way first.
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Probably wasn't wise to keep shooting his mouth off about things that would get done in the first 24 hours.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 22, 2025
  • #9,657
chiefdave said:
Probably wasn't wise to keep shooting his mouth off about things that would get done in the first 24 hours.
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No one minds what he does it’s always good
It’s like conversations I used to have with friends at church
Awful stuff happens for a reason
Great stuff happens for a reason
People are lovely to you for a reason
People are horrible for a reason
God is always in control
In this instance trump is in control

I think I’m a bit more random chance than god is in control now as im getting older

obviously it your kind your more likely to be treated kindly or your loving more love treat others well and they’ll treat you well etc etc
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2025
  • #9,658
chiefdave said:
Probably wasn't wise to keep shooting his mouth off about things that would get done in the first 24 hours.
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Saw one of his lackeys on about this and apparently were stupid to believe him because obviously he doesn’t literally mean 24 hours he just means it’s a priority.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 22, 2025
  • #9,659
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2025
  • #9,660
Can’t we blow it up and say we didn’t know what it was and it was in our waters? Is international maritime law like stand your ground in the US?
 
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