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USSR invades Ukraine. (14 Viewers)

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 22, 2024
  • #9,591
bigfatronssba said:
Playing devils advocate here, but why do we think we can fire a missile at him and not expect a response?
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It would be the beginning of the end of him. It would be a different story though if missiles were actually launched by the USA rather than Ukraine.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2024
  • #9,592
Sick Boy said:
Agree.
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2024
  • #9,593
bigfatronssba said:
Playing devils advocate here, but why do we think we can fire a missile at him and not expect a response?
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We haven't fired it - we have supplied weapons, as we have done throughout the war. Western weapons have killed thousands of Russian soldiers already.

British weapons are used all over the world by other countries, we aren't at war with each country on the end of them (thankfully!)
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2024
  • #9,594
bigfatronssba said:
If you actually listen to what he's saying here, this is terrifying. Basically military bases in NATO countries are now legitimate targets for attack.
Lets hope he's bluffing, because if not it wouldn't be beyond the realms of fantasy for the UK or US to be attacked tonight

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With love mate. Are you serious? If you are. Don’t be. Russia have been threatening to nuke the UK for ages on domestic TV. They do it every week. They won’t because the second the attack NATO they’d be vaporised and Putin would be dead.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2024
  • #9,595
shmmeee said:
Putin would be dead.
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well there's some people who believe he is very ill and on the way out anyway so not entirely sure its wise to be seen to be provoking him even if we do believe its all empty threats.

he hardly seem the most stable and rational person, not sure I want survival relying on some lunatic not thinking I'm on the way out so I'll take everyone else with me!
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2024
  • #9,596
Sick Boy said:
It would be the beginning of the end of him. It would be a different story though if missiles were actually launched by the USA rather than Ukraine.
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Who’s operating them? It’s not very clear
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2024
  • #9,597
shmmeee said:
With love mate. Are you serious? If you are. Don’t be. Russia have been threatening to nuke the UK for ages on domestic TV. They do it every week. They won’t because the second the attack NATO they’d be vaporised and Putin would be dead.
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An attack doesn’t necessarily mean Nuclear.

And anyway, he launched an ICBM the other day. NATO/America would’ve detected its launch. They wouldn’t have known it was only carrying a conventional bomb, rather than a nuclear warhead for which it was designed.

The initial reaction was to do nothing
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 22, 2024
  • #9,598
bigfatronssba said:
An attack doesn’t necessarily mean Nuclear.

And anyway, he launched an ICBM the other day. NATO/America would’ve detected its launch. They wouldn’t have known it was only carrying a conventional bomb, rather than a nuclear warhead for which it was designed.

The initial reaction was to do nothing
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Technically it wasn't an ICBM, it was an Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile and Russia informed the US of the launch. And it wasn't even carrying a conventional bomb - it was basically carrying fireworks!

It was pure sabre rattling from Putin, again. It's kind of worked I guess as a lot of people seem convinced we're now on the brink of nuclear war, but we are no closer.

It was a very expensive $50m launch of something they apparently have a very low stock of just to show his audience at home and admirers around the world that he's a big strong tough man.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2024
  • #9,599
bigfatronssba said:
An attack doesn’t necessarily mean Nuclear.

And anyway, he launched an ICBM the other day. NATO/America would’ve detected its launch. They wouldn’t have known it was only carrying a conventional bomb, rather than a nuclear warhead for which it was designed.

The initial reaction was to do nothing
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They probably could work out where it was heading.
 

BackRoomRummermill

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #9,600
Any conflict with Russia would around while before it became Nuclear - either way nothing will happen - China is pullling the strings and XI is not too happy with Putin
 

BackRoomRummermill

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #9,601
MalcSB said:
They probably could work out where it was heading.
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Yes
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2024
  • #9,602
"Russia's "meat-grinder" tactics, the ISW says, mean that Moscow is losing more than 50 soldiers for each square kilometre of captured territory."

Absolutely astonishing statistic. What a pointless waste of life. If only the people of Russia knew the reality of what is happening.



Russia's 'meat-grinder' tactics bring battlefield success - but at horrendous cost - BBC News

As 2024 draws to a close, Russian forces are continuing to push their Ukrainian opponents back.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2024
  • #9,603
Interesting commentary on BBC news that Russia advancement is continuing

Ukraine view that Biden has been supplying enough arms to keep the war going but will not let them ever win - just keep death going (well I never)

Biden I didn’t realise last month was furious they wouldn’t enforce conscription of 18 year olds in Ukraine.

Ukraine urged to lower army conscription age in fight against Russia

Joe Biden is pushing Ukraine to lower the age to fight
www.independent.co.uk
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,604
Russia at it again



https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/azerbaijan-airlines-flight-was-downed-by-russian-air-defence-system-four-sources-2024-12-26/
 

eastwoodsdustman

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,605
PVA said:
Russia at it again



https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/azerbaijan-airlines-flight-was-downed-by-russian-air-defence-system-four-sources-2024-12-26/
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They refused to let it land in Russia and directed them across the sea in the hope that I would go down and not be found.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,606
Grendel said:
Interesting commentary on BBC news that Russia advancement is continuing

Ukraine view that Biden has been supplying enough arms to keep the war going but will not let them ever win - just keep death going (well I never)

Biden I didn’t realise last month was furious they wouldn’t enforce conscription of 18 year olds in Ukraine.

Ukraine urged to lower army conscription age in fight against Russia

Joe Biden is pushing Ukraine to lower the age to fight
www.independent.co.uk
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I’m sure if he did lend the materiel necessary for Ukraine to win you would be the first to criticise him for escalation. Don’t worry, Daddy Trump will be in soon to make Ukraine sign over land to Putin.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,607
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’m sure if he did lend the materiel necessary for Ukraine to win you would be the first to criticise him for escalation. Don’t worry, Daddy Trump will be in soon to make Ukraine sign over land to Putin.
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It will in the end save lives and the Biden administration was always focused on prolonging the war
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,608
Grendel said:
It will in the end save lives and the Biden administration was always focused on prolonging the war
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Would you support admitting the rest of Ukraine into NATO in such a case?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,609
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Would you support admitting the rest of Ukraine into NATO in such a case?
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No and what difference would it make anyway.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,610
Grendel said:
No and what difference would it make anyway.
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About the only thing that actually prevents Putin going back in to finish the job later.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,611
eastwoodsdustman said:
They refused to let it land in Russia and directed them across the sea in the hope that I would go down and not be found.
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Yep I saw that, shocking.

The pilot is a fucking hero.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,612
Brighton Sky Blue said:
About the only thing that actually prevents Putin going back in to finish the job later.
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Doubt it would and I doubt the US would want it
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,613
Grendel said:
Doubt it would and I doubt the US would want it
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So why not just hand over all of Ukraine now and skip the formalities?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,614
Brighton Sky Blue said:
About the only thing that actually prevents Putin going back in to finish the job later.
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Saw a report the other day that Trumps Russia/Ukraines envoy has suggested that Trump’s roadmap to peace requires an immediate ceasefire, a continuation of arming Ukraine, never ending negotiations on occupied territories and Ukraine being allowed to join NATO in ten years. It sounds like Trump is looking to just kick the can down the road.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,615
skybluetony176 said:
Saw a report the other day that Trumps Russia/Ukraines envoy has suggested that Trump’s roadmap to peace requires an immediate ceasefire, a continuation of arming Ukraine, never ending negotiations on occupied territories and Ukraine being allowed to join NATO in ten years. It sounds like Trump is looking to just kick the can down the road.
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It’s inevitable that Russia will keep the occupied territories with some kind of agreement than an attempt to take more would result in Russia essentially declaring war on America.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,616
Sick Boy said:
It’s inevitable that Russia will keep the occupied territories with some kind of agreement than an attempt to take more would result in Russia essentially declaring war on America.
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What about the territory Ukraine now occupies in Russia? There’s going to have to be a reason to hand that back so an exchange of territory to some degree is more likely.

The other interesting thing Trumps envoy was apparently saying was that there would have to be a premium on Russian oil to go to a rebuild fund for Ukraine.

It really doesn’t sound like Trump has a solution either as it’s hard to envisage Putin agreeing to NATO membership or compensation, before you even get into a continuation of the West arming Ukraine.

Sorry but the suggestion that Putin would be happy with obtaining what is essentially a bombed out, desolate waste land as a win while achieving nothing of his stated aims in the first place seems unlikely. Read between the lines and Trump only seems interested pausing the problem while he completes his second term, he’s not really come up with a solution to the problem unless he has some secret plan he’s not told anyone about. It’s got all the hallmarks of Nixons plan to stop the Vietnam war.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #9,617
skybluetony176 said:
What about the territory Ukraine now occupies in Russia? There’s going to have to be a reason to hand that back so an exchange of territory to some degree is more likely.

The other interesting thing Trumps envoy was apparently saying was that there would have to be a premium on Russian oil to go to a rebuild fund for Ukraine.

It really doesn’t sound like Trump has a solution either as it’s hard to envisage Putin agreeing to NATO membership or compensation, before you even get into a continuation of the West arming Ukraine.

Sorry but the suggestion that Putin would be happy with obtaining what is essentially a bombed out, desolate waste land as a win while achieving nothing of his stated aims in the first place seems unlikely. Read between the lines and Trump only seems interested pausing the problem while he completes his second term, he’s not really come up with a solution to the problem unless he has some secret plan he’s not told anyone about. It’s got all the hallmarks of Nixons plan to stop the Vietnam war.
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So do the reparations from oil and energy or whatever bring an increase in cost to all of,I can see him being a fan of that?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2024
  • #9,618
I see Russia has already rejected Trump’s proposals for peace with Ukraine out of hand.
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2024
  • #9,619
skybluetony176 said:
I see Russia has already rejected Trump’s proposals for peace with Ukraine out of hand.
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Trump’s 24 hour solution is looking a bit like Putin’s 3 day SMO.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,620
shmmeee said:
With love mate. Are you serious? If you are. Don’t be. Russia have been threatening to nuke the UK for ages on domestic TV. They do it every week. They won’t because the second the attack NATO they’d be vaporised and Putin would be dead.
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Phew, dodged it then.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,621
skybluetony176 said:
I see Russia has already rejected Trump’s proposals for peace with Ukraine out of hand.
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The Ukrainians want the war to end - it should have ended years ago
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,622
Grendel said:
The Ukrainians want the war to end - it should have ended years ago
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What war? It’s a special military operation according to the aggressors which simply shouldn’t have started years ago.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,623
MalcSB said:
What war? It’s a special military operation according to the aggressors which simply shouldn’t have started years ago.
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This is day 1041 of the 3 day special military operation.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,624
PVA said:
This is day 1041 of the 3 day special military operation.
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Which has suited Western strategy
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #9,625
And they're losing 2000 men PER DAY, their highest losses of the war.

Staggering numbers.
 
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