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USSR invades Ukraine. (15 Viewers)

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PVA

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #9,416
I wonder if this will cause any blowback for Putin.

No wonder Ukraine are advancing with little resistance if they're just up against conscripts.


Putin promised poorly trained conscripts wouldn’t be sent to war. Now the front line has come to them​


https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/16/europe/russia-putin-war-ukraine-intl-latam/index.html
 

Como

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #9,417
Time to be positive, what an excellent idea.

Hundreds of Ulez non-compliant vehicles sent from London to Ukraine

Transport for London confirms 330 vehicles approved for donation to help country’s war effort
www.theguardian.com
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 17, 2024
  • #9,418
Necessity, the mother of invention.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/iMYe6RikLl
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #9,419
Diogenes said:
There's no evidence the Russians have transferred forces from other combat zones though, and Russian advances have picked up pace if anything in Donbass.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainians have cobbled up a total of 1 heavy brigade for this escapade, with a mish-mash of armoured vehicles. It appears that the Ukrainian advances have stopped now and we will probably see them pushed out of Kursk Oblast over the next few weeks.

I wouldn't be surprised if they attempt another border raid or even another offense in the South. Tbf to Ukraine they have been written off by many who (including myself) didn't expect such a well planned assault.

That said, any similar moves are likely to fail, as did the latest attempt to land forces on the Kinburn Spit yesterday.
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They are still advancing and it involves more than just one brigade.

This has been a composite operation, well planned and executed.

But it is a salient leading nowhere
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #9,420
Diogenes said:

Zaparozhe NPP on fire.

Zelensky is accusing Russia of setting it on fire, Russia accuses Ukr of hitting it with a drone.

It wouldn't be the first time Ukr has hit the NPP if this is the case. The cooling towers are a little way from the reactors so hopefully this won't escalate into chernobyl 2.0 but this is pretty fucked up.
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Of concern, Russia has deliberately attacked the NPP previously and deliberately sabotaged it, in order to blame Ukraine.
Worrying but not imminently dangerous
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #9,421
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Genuine question, what kind of force would be needed to take Kursk?
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More than Ukraine can commit.

It isn’t just a land force of several brigades. It would require air support and more importantly, vast logistical support.

It creates a salient….essentially, a bulge in the front line. That then creates vulnerabilities, particularly on the flanks.

The other question: why does Ukraine need to take Kursk. Holding an urban area is incredibly difficult and would cause huge humanitarian problems.

The world knows that Russia is seeking genocide, that it has committed war crimes. Ukraine needs to avoid any accusation of the same because the information war is also critical
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #9,422
DrPoolittle said:
Of concern, Russia has deliberately attacked the NPP previously and deliberately sabotaged it, in order to blame Ukraine.
Worrying but not imminently dangerous
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Calling Fred Dibnah, cooling tower to collapse!!
 
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Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #9,423
So, how does a Ukraine defeat work? I’m not seeing it…

 

Flying Fokker

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  • Sep 12, 2024
  • #9,424

Putin warns Russia will be 'at war' with US if Kyiv gets new missiles

Putin said the move from the West would 'change the very nature of the conflict', and issued a severe threat against giving Zelensky access to more military might.
www.dailymail.co.uk
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #9,425
It's basically Nato v Russia at this point isn't it ? It's no longer just Ukraines war , well probably hasn't been since the start
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #9,426
Getting a bit scary.

I suggest a big piss up tomorrow. If it does kick off, it might be your last chance
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #9,427
Seems Starmer is the M16 Choice!
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #9,428
Playing out like the rumour suggested a couple of months ago. Sunak went for an early election because he didn't want to be seen as the man who took us into WW3
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #9,429
It feels impossible to know what the right thing to do even is at this stage
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #9,430
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It feels impossible to know what the right thing to do even is at this stage
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Errr.. peace is the right thing , talk and negotiate a peace deal .

This war will never be won by Ukraine and as stated many many many times before could escalate further
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #9,431
The biggest threat to global peace is the United States of America end of story
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #9,432
Poland know the crack
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #9,433
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It feels impossible to know what the right thing to do even is at this stage
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Indeed. Back down now and that is a red rag to a bull for Putin. He'd start ramping up plans to invade elsewhere cos no-one's got the balls to stop him.
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #9,434
Evo1883 said:
The biggest threat to global peace is the United States of America end of story
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It's not though, is it?
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,435
Skybluekyle said:
It's not though, is it?
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It definitely is
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,436
Evo1883 said:
It definitely is
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Hmmm, hard to disagree that the US have caused a number of issues globally, however, in recent years Putins invaded crimea, invaded wider Ukraine, killed/poisoned people on U.K. soil, shot down civilian aircraft and killed any political opponents. He’s also been willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of his own citizens for his own ends, which to me, takes him to a totally different level

The guy just doesn’t give a shit and everyone’s just let him get away with it for way too long. I want to see a negotiated settlement to end the war and worried about escalation but he’s prayed on a weak responses in the last 15 years.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,437
CCFCSteve said:
Hmmm, hard to disagree that the US have caused a number of issues globally, however, in recent years Putins invaded crimea, invaded wider Ukraine, killed/poisoned people on U.K. soil, shot down civilian aircraft and killed any political opponents. He’s also been willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of his own citizens for his own ends, which to me, takes him to a totally different level

The guy just doesn’t give a shit and everyone’s just let him get away with it for way too long. I want to see a negotiated settlement to end the war and worried about escalation but he’s prayed on a weak responses in the last 15 years.
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If there is to be a settlement that sees Ukraine surrender some territory, it should come with immediately admitting the rest of it to NATO as a safeguard against future invasion.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,438
CCFCSteve said:
Hmmm, hard to disagree that the US have caused a number of issues globally, however, in recent years Putins invaded crimea, invaded wider Ukraine, killed/poisoned people on U.K. soil, shot down civilian aircraft and killed any political opponents. He’s also been willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of his own citizens for his own ends, which to me, takes him to a totally different level

The guy just doesn’t give a shit and everyone’s just let him get away with it for way too long. I want to see a negotiated settlement to end the war and worried about escalation but he’s prayed on a weak responses in the last 15 years.
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Since 2001 the USA has spent over 7 trillion in the middle east , it's helped create a refugee crisis which we are feeling today in Europe and is a massive cause of political anger , some of it was based on lies
They are funding israels crimes in gaza and have funded Ukraine to the tune of over 60 billion in their military efforts v Russia .

They are the world's biggest war criminals
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,439
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If there is to be a settlement that sees Ukraine surrender some territory, it should come with immediately admitting the rest of it to NATO as a safeguard against future invasion.
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That wouldn’t happen officially but it would unofficially, I’m sure.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,440
Sick Boy said:
That wouldn’t happen officially but it would unofficially, I’m sure.
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It would need to be official to show that both sides accepted something they really didn’t want.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,441
Evo1883 said:
Errr.. peace is the right thing , talk and negotiate a peace deal .

This war will never be won by Ukraine and as stated many many many times before could escalate further
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What do you mean when you say “the war can’t be won”?

because it always seems to mean “Ukraine should capitulate and give Russia everything”. Which is not the same thing.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,442
Evo1883 said:
Since 2001 the USA has spent over 7 trillion in the middle east , it's helped create a refugee crisis which we are feeling today in Europe and is a massive cause of political anger , some of it was based on lies
They are funding israels crimes in gaza and have funded Ukraine to the tune of over 60 billion in their military efforts v Russia .

They are the world's biggest war criminals
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Have you been on Russian TikTok again?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,443
shmmeee said:
Have you been on Russian TikTok again?
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Is what I've said untrue ?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,444
shmmeee said:
What do you mean when you say “the war can’t be won”?

because it always seems to mean “Ukraine should capitulate and give Russia everything”. Which is not the same thing.
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Ukraine can't win the war , they need to negotiate a peace deal
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,445
Flying Fokker said:
So, how does a Ukraine defeat work? I’m not seeing it…

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What you should be asking is what a Ukraine victory actually looks like
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,446
Evo1883 said:
Is what I've said untrue ?
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Its certainly an interesting framing.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,447
Evo1883 said:
Ukraine can't win the war , they need to negotiate a peace deal
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So Russia can’t win war either? How will this peace deal come about do you think?
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,448
shmmeee said:
Its certainly an interesting framing.
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So the United States didn't go to war on a lie in 2003 and haven't helped create a huge refugee crisis in the middle east by funding several other conflicts in that region ?

Please tell me your interesting take on that , please tell me how the united states aren't funding israels military actions in gaza

Which bit is interesting
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,449
shmmeee said:
So Russia can’t win war either? How will this peace deal come about do you think?
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Strangely by Zelensky conceding he needs to negotiate a settlement rather than carry on pretending Russia will ever concede the territory already gained
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Sep 14, 2024
  • #9,450
It is a tricky one.

On one hand I don't see why Ukraine should negotiate anything other than the complete restoration of its pre-2014 borders. Bullies like Putin should always be stood up to.

On the other hand I don't think Ukraine is worth having a Nuclear war over
 
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