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USSR invades Ukraine. (19 Viewers)

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Skybluekyle

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,891
Evo1883 said:
The USA are backing these wars , and are also Israels greatest ally , they could stop that war tonight if they decided too
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The US is not doing anywhere near what it could do to back either side, Israel, as it should, Ukraine, they should be doing all they could but the Right are stopping them
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,892
In actuality, the UK is probably doing the best, hence why there is a freaking street named after Boris Johnson. I'm actually proud of how the UK are doing, Russia can get fucked, communist wannabe democracy pricks
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,893
Skybluekyle said:
The US is not doing anywhere near what it could do to back either side, Israel, as it should, Ukraine, they should be doing all they could but the Right are stopping them
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Looking back, it could be misconstrued. I want it perfectly known, Israel is being a complete and utter arse, I do not support Israel in anyway shape or form. Fuck them
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,894
Massive change to the tax system in Russia to fund the 3 day special military operation 3+ year war:

Russia weighs biggest tax shake-up in almost 25 years as Putin scrambles to finance Ukraine war​


A higher rate of 15% was established in 2021 for those earning more than five million roubles (around £43,500).

Now the finance ministry wants to lower the threshold for the 15% rate, so it applies to annual incomes from 2.4 (around £20,800) to five million roubles, and introduce more bands above.

Incomes between five and 20 million roubles (around £43,500 to £174,000) will be taxed at 18%, those between 20-50 million roubles (around £174,000 to £434,000) at 20%, and anything over 50 million roubles at 22%.

Under the proposals, corporation tax will also increase from 20% to 25%.
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Oof.


Russia weighs biggest tax shake-up in almost 25 years as Putin scrambles to finance Ukraine war

As the war in Ukraine drains the Kremlin's coffers, the government is scrambling to find new ways to finance it. After nearly three decades with most Russians paying just 13% in taxes, Vladimir Putin is eyeing a radical shake-up.
news.sky.com
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,895
Though until it's confirmed by Channel 4 Fact Check presumably it's just made up.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,896
PVA said:
Massive change to the tax system in Russia to fund the 3 day special military operation 3+ year war:




Oof.


Russia weighs biggest tax shake-up in almost 25 years as Putin scrambles to finance Ukraine war

As the war in Ukraine drains the Kremlin's coffers, the government is scrambling to find new ways to finance it. After nearly three decades with most Russians paying just 13% in taxes, Vladimir Putin is eyeing a radical shake-up.
news.sky.com
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It'll make zero difference to public opinion.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,897
PVA said:
Massive change to the tax system in Russia to fund the 3 day special military operation 3+ year war:




Oof.


Russia weighs biggest tax shake-up in almost 25 years as Putin scrambles to finance Ukraine war

As the war in Ukraine drains the Kremlin's coffers, the government is scrambling to find new ways to finance it. After nearly three decades with most Russians paying just 13% in taxes, Vladimir Putin is eyeing a radical shake-up.
news.sky.com
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The amount of money that many has embezzled from the country he should pay for it himself the light fingered fucker.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,898
clint van damme said:
The amount of money that many has embezzled from the country he should pay for it himself the light fingered fucker.
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How dare you. He only earns just over 100k a year and only has a small apartment and garage.


 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,899
Evo1883 said:
The USA are backing these wars , and are also Israels greatest ally , they could stop that war tonight if they decided too
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How?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,900
PVA said:
How dare you. He only earns just over 100k a year and only has a small apartment and garage.


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Never seen that before, that's mad.
 
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Skybluekyle

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,901
"US are backing these wars", pretty much the only reaction I've got, apparently they're sponsoring a genocide, that doesn't exist, but it's as good as we're going to get, people, apparently
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,902
shmmeee said:
How?
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Threaten to stop funding their military expenses to the tune of 4 billion a year
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,903
Evo1883 said:
Threaten to stop funding their military expenses to the tune of 4 billion a year
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4 billion a year is pocket change, The UK's defence spending is more than 10 times that...
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,904
Skybluekyle said:
4 billion a year is pocket change, The UK's defence spending is more than 10 times that...
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I don't care what our spending is , without the USA israel wouldn't be able to be the massive cunts that they are
 
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Skybluekyle

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,905
Evo1883 said:
I don't care what our spending is , without the USA israel wouldn't be able to be the massive cunts that they are
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Agreed, I'd also like for Russia to stop being "massive cunts" too...
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,906
Skybluekyle said:
Agreed, I'd also like for Russia to stop being "massive cunts" too...
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And this really is why the Israel funding will continue. As I understand tying the Ukraine funding and Israel funding together is the only way he can get it passed.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,907
Skybluekyle said:
Name a genocide the US has been in favour of
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They created genocide in Vietnam. In one incident alone a whole village was destroyed and all inhabitants killed and raped by US troops.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,908
Grendel said:
They created genocide in Vietnam. In one incident alone a whole village was destroyed and all inhabitants killed and raped by US troops.
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Your stance would have been let them crack on going by your views on Russias invasion of Ukraine. Russia is guilty of the same war crimes in Ukraine.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,909
skybluetony176 said:
Your stance would have been let them crack on going by your views on Russias invasion of Ukraine. Russia is guilty of the same war crimes in Ukraine.
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Well with respect surely its those people who support US action and look in horror at Russian atrocities need to look in the mirror.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,910
Grendel said:
Well with respect surely its those people who support US action and look in horror at Russian atrocities need to look in the mirror.
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Pretty sure the USA’s involvement in Vietnam was widely condemned both in the US and abroad. It finished before I was born but I don’t doubt for a minute that I would have condemned the USA much as I have Russia in the same circumstances in Ukraine. In stark contrast to your juxtaposition.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,911
skybluetony176 said:
Pretty sure the USA’s involvement in Vietnam was widely condemned both in the US and abroad. It finished before I was born but I don’t doubt for a minute that I would have condemned the USA much as I have Russia in the same circumstances in Ukraine. In stark contrast to your juxtaposition.
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Well as said before - and someone gloated about it - this war is a way the US can take on the east and let other people die. Russia behaviour is a picnic compared to the US in Vietnam. It never changes either as witnessed with illegal torture in Iraq.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,912
Grendel said:
Well with respect surely its those people who support US action and look in horror at Russian atrocities need to look in the mirror.
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It's almost as if it's possible to look at different events and judge each one independently.
 
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skyblueelephant76

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,913
Grendel said:
Well as said before - and someone gloated about it - this war is a way the US can take on the east and let other people die. Russia behaviour is a picnic compared to the US in Vietnam. It never changes either as witnessed with illegal torture in Iraq.
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The difference is that the US acknowledged what happened, investigated it and people were charged (admittedly not many were convicted).

Russia on the other hand won't acknowledge that anything has happened and certainly won't be charging anyone for doing it.

Also, saying Russian behaviour is a picnic compared to the US is a ridiculous statement. There were children raped in Bucha, people lined up and executed, people tortured, people mutilated. They also continue to target and kill civilians and have stolen thousands of children.

Whether you mean to or not, your constant focus on the US comes across as trying to downplay Russia's role in this. They are fully responsible and have the power to end this today if they want.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,914
Grendel said:
Well as said before - and someone gloated about it - this war is a way the US can take on the east and let other people die. Russia behaviour is a picnic compared to the US in Vietnam. It never changes either as witnessed with illegal torture in Iraq.
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You could probably do with reading some of the reports on Russias behaviour in Ukraine before making that sweeping statement. Try reading some of the human rights watch reports or articles by reporters without borders, not just towards Ukrainians but also their own conscripts. Then there’s the stealing of Ukrainian children and packing them of to Russia. Human rights watch have confirmed rape of children as young as 4, elderly women and even captured male soldiers. They also use rape as a punishment against their own conscripts who refuse to fight or who go awol from the front line only to be caught. There isn’t yet a definitive numbers of villages, towns and areas of cities wiped off the map by Russia but they’re mounting. Russia is also known to use torture including mock executions against captured Ukrainian soldiers and civilians.

But you’re happy for them to “crack on with it”. No mirrors in your house?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,915
skyblueelephant76 said:
Also, saying Russian behaviour is a picnic compared to the US is a ridiculous statement. There were children raped in Bucha, people lined up and executed, people tortured, people mutilated. They also continue to target and kill civilians and have stolen thousands of children.
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How's that any different to this - Mahmudiyah rape and killings - Wikipedia
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,916
Sick Boy said:
How's that any different to this - Mahmudiyah rape and killings - Wikipedia
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Well exactly. It's not any different, that's the point.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,917
Sick Boy said:
How's that any different to this - Mahmudiyah rape and killings - Wikipedia
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You’d be better off pointing that question in the direction of Grendull. He’s the only one saying that there is a difference. Russia is in Ukraine for a picnic according to him against the wait of evidence.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,918
skybluetony176 said:
You’d be better off pointing that question in the direction of Grendull. He’s the only one saying that there is a difference. Russia is in Ukraine for a picnic according to him against the wait of evidence.
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It was directed at this statement - Also, saying Russian behaviour is a picnic compared to the US is a ridiculous statement. There were children raped in Bucha, people lined up and executed, people tortured, people mutilated.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,919
PVA said:
Well exactly. It's not any different, that's the point.
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So you think the US are a despotic brutal regime?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,920
skyblueelephant76 said:
The difference is that the US acknowledged what happened, investigated it and people were charged (admittedly not many were convicted).

Russia on the other hand won't acknowledge that anything has happened and certainly won't be charging anyone for doing it.

Also, saying Russian behaviour is a picnic compared to the US is a ridiculous statement. There were children raped in Bucha, people lined up and executed, people tortured, people mutilated. They also continue to target and kill civilians and have stolen thousands of children.

Whether you mean to or not, your constant focus on the US comes across as trying to downplay Russia's role in this. They are fully responsible and have the power to end this today if they want.
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I think any country that indulged in this is as evil as any regime but as they adopt Western values we look the other way

Was My Lai just one of many massacres in Vietnam War?

US atrocities were far greater in the Vietnam War than is normally acknowledged, writes investigative journalist Nick Turse
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,921
Grendel said:
So you think the US are a despotic brutal regime?
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I wouldn't say despotic as yet but may become after November. Brutal certainly.
 

skyblueelephant76

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,922
Sick Boy said:
It was directed at this statement - Also, saying Russian behaviour is a picnic compared to the US is a ridiculous statement. There were children raped in Bucha, people lined up and executed, people tortured, people mutilated.
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? I was saying it wasn't different and replying to someone claiming it was?
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,923
Sick Boy said:
It was directed at this statement - Also, saying Russian behaviour is a picnic compared to the US is a ridiculous statement. There were children raped in Bucha, people lined up and executed, people tortured, people mutilated.
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Yes, exactly. I think you're missing the point being made.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,924
PVA said:
Yes, exactly. I think you're missing the point being made.
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So the US you finally admit are as evil as all other super powers and do not in reality give a fuck about Ukraine.

Wow we get there at last.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2024
  • #8,925
Sick Boy said:
It was directed at this statement - Also, saying Russian behaviour is a picnic compared to the US is a ridiculous statement. There were children raped in Bucha, people lined up and executed, people tortured, people mutilated.
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Why? The OP was making a clear comparison between the behaviour of US an Russian soldiers. Again, only one poster thinks one group is at a picnic. If you want to point that out to anyone it’s them. Your direction is misdirection.

Your link is interesting though as a comparison, at least to events in Iraq and Afghanistan for that matter. Firstly these were isolated incidents, secondly they didn’t go unpunished. Compare that to the behaviour of Russian soldiers where firstly it’s clearly not isolated incidents and secondly they will go unpunished.
 
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