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USSR invades Ukraine. (14 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 28, 2024
  • #8,856
PVA said:
The population of Ukraine is overwhelmingly against ceding any territory to Russia as part of any peace talks.
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Of course they’re going to be but if/when funding and weapons stop, they’re not going to have much choice. At this point it’s almost inevitable that Trump will get back in the White House.
 

skyblueelephant76

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2024
  • #8,857
Sick Boy said:
Of course they’re going to be but if/when funding and weapons stop, they’re not going to have much choice. At this point it’s almost inevitable that Trump will get back in the White House.
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The polls in the US are still fairly close, I wouldn't say it's inevitable.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2024
  • #8,858
skyblueelephant76 said:
The polls in the US are still fairly close, I wouldn't say it's inevitable.
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It isn’t but ukraines desire to regain Crimea is for the birds and in the end it becomes what is a victory
 

skyblueelephant76

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2024
  • #8,859
Grendel said:
It isn’t but ukraines desire to regain Crimea is for the birds and in the end it becomes what is a victory
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The Ukrainians believe that if they give up any territory now it will just give Putin the green light to take more in the future.

It's only going to happen as last resort.
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • May 30, 2024
  • #8,860
Madness. Biden regime/NATO consider agreeing to Ukraine using long range missiles into Russian territory.

‘The time has come,’ NATO chief latest to call for end to restrictions on Ukrainian use of US weapons - Washington Examiner

NATO urges US to lift Ukraine weapons restrictions, China denies arming Russia, North Korea spy satellite launch fails, Austin undergoes minor medical procedure
www.washingtonexaminer.com
 

skyblueelephant76

Well-Known Member
  • May 30, 2024
  • #8,861
SIR ERNIE said:
Madness. Biden regime/NATO consider agreeing to Ukraine using long range missiles into Russian territory.

‘The time has come,’ NATO chief latest to call for end to restrictions on Ukrainian use of US weapons - Washington Examiner

NATO urges US to lift Ukraine weapons restrictions, China denies arming Russia, North Korea spy satellite launch fails, Austin undergoes minor medical procedure
www.washingtonexaminer.com
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About time.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 30, 2024
  • #8,862
SIR ERNIE said:
Madness. Biden regime/NATO consider agreeing to Ukraine using long range missiles into Russian territory.

‘The time has come,’ NATO chief latest to call for end to restrictions on Ukrainian use of US weapons - Washington Examiner

NATO urges US to lift Ukraine weapons restrictions, China denies arming Russia, North Korea spy satellite launch fails, Austin undergoes minor medical procedure
www.washingtonexaminer.com
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Nato have already said yes, it's the US that have so far refused.

Should have been done a long time ago.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,863
500k casualties. Just obscene numbers.


 

Grendel

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,864
PVA said:
500k casualties. Just obscene numbers.


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Again not independently verified.
 
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fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,865
skyblueelephant76 said:
About time.
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Yea. About time we escalated the totaly shit situation a bit further towards WW3, I mean who wants to live anyway?

Wtf do you think Russia will do? Just sit back and take it, or could they seek to destroy rocket supplies with one of the tactical Nucs they've deployed to the front?

Any one who thinks launching long range rockets into Russia is a cool idea needs to give their head a wobble.

And what next, a NATO air strike on Moscow perhaps?
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,866
Grendel said:
Again not independently verified.
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How exactly are you wanting/expecting these figures to be 'independently verified'? Just send some independent verifiers into the middle of a war zone yeah?

You were crying about Ukrainian numbers and now apparently UK numbers are made up too.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,867
PVA said:
How exactly are you wanting/expecting these figures to be 'independently verified'? Just send some independent verifiers into the middle of a war zone yeah?

You were crying about Ukrainian numbers and now apparently UK numbers are made up too.
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in hardly crying just saying there are no official numbers from either side.

FactCheck: how many people have died in the Russia-Ukraine war and what could happen next?

FactCheck takes a look at how many casualties of war there have been on both sides of the conflict - and what experts think could happen next.
www.channel4.com
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,868
In reality both sides will have suffered heavy losses. Unlike Russia, Ukraine is going to find it harder and harder to replenish the frontline.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,869
fatso said:
Wtf do you think Russia will do? Just sit back and take it, or could they seek to destroy rocket supplies with one of the tactical Nucs they've deployed to the front?
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This makes no sense.

So they're only going to destroy enemy rocket supplies if they're used inside Russia, otherwise they'll just let them sit there?
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,870
Grendel said:
in hardly crying just saying there are no official numbers from either side.

FactCheck: how many people have died in the Russia-Ukraine war and what could happen next?

FactCheck takes a look at how many casualties of war there have been on both sides of the conflict - and what experts think could happen next.
www.channel4.com
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Of course there aren't any 'official' numbers.

But I'd say that UK and US intelligence is likely to have more information than Channel 4 Fact Check, wouldn't you?
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,871
I see Sick Boy made the news

The Kremlin’s Cultural Tentacles Still Poison Italian Debate

In Italy, Russia has activated its influence network to promote events whitewashing its war crimes and pushing anti-Ukrainian propaganda.
cepa.org
 
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fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,872
PVA said:
This makes no sense.

So they're only going to destroy enemy rocket supplies if they're used inside Russia, otherwise they'll just let them sit there?
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No, ffs, let me spell it out for you.

When the rockets arrive in Ukrain, Russia will destroy them, before they can be fired Into Russia.

They'll end up going the same way as all the tanks NATO sent.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,873
fatso said:
No, ffs, let me spell it out for you.

When the rockets arrive in Ukrain, Russia will destroy them, before they can be fired Into Russia.

They'll end up going the same way as all the tanks NATO sent.
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Ummm the rockets have always been there, and have been used, they just haven't had permission to launch them into Russia.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,874
shmmeee said:
I see Sick Boy made the news

The Kremlin’s Cultural Tentacles Still Poison Italian Debate

In Italy, Russia has activated its influence network to promote events whitewashing its war crimes and pushing anti-Ukrainian propaganda.
cepa.org
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You got me! It was the bed cover that did it for me though - Berlusconi gives Putin a duvet cover for his 65th birthday
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,875
PVA said:
Of course there aren't any 'official' numbers.

But I'd say that UK and US intelligence is likely to have more information than Channel 4 Fact Check, wouldn't you?
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Well no as they want to cause mischief regarding the proxy war and spread misinformation. I do keep telling you we haven’t seen anything like this since the Cold War.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,876
Grendel said:
Well no as they want to cause mischief regarding the proxy war and spread misinformation. I do keep telling you we haven’t seen anything like this since the Cold War.
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US intelligence has the same level of information as C4 Fact Check?

Hahaha. Incredible.

You might have finally jumped the shark.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,877
PVA said:
US intelligence has the same level of information as C4 Fact Check?

Hahaha. Incredible.

You might have finally jumped the shark.
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The fact you constantly believe propaganda is fascinating yet accuse others of the same.

The fact you trust a brutal military regime like the US is actually disturbing.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,878
Grendel said:
Again not independently verified.
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So how much do you think they’re out by?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,879
skybluetony176 said:
So how much do you think they’re out by?
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How would I know Tony? I’m sure a friend on the battlefield has told you though and you are checking notes.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,880
Grendel said:
The fact you constantly believe propaganda is fascinating yet accuse others of the same.

The fact you trust a brutal military regime like the US is actually disturbing.
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So the only true and valuable information source in the entire world is Helen Johnson of C4 Fact Check?

How can we ever believe anything ever again unless it comes from the pen of Ms Johnson

Face it, you were crying about numbers coming from Ukraine and now they've been backed up by similar numbers from other sources you've decided that actually we cant trust anyone. Because C4 said so.

Clearly US intelligence has a very close ear to the ground and will have unbelievable amounts of intelligence and data. It's absurd to suggest otherwise.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,881
Grendel said:
How would I know Tony? I’m sure a friend on the battlefield has told you though and you are checking notes.
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Okay. So numerous reliable sources are coming up with the same ballpoint numbers on Russian casualties and you instantly dismiss them because how would you know.

Let’s try this one then. Who are you expecting to Independently verify them exactly if not the numerous, reliable and independent sources that have already verified them?
 

skyblueelephant76

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,882
fatso said:
Yea. About time we escalated the totaly shit situation a bit further towards WW3, I mean who wants to live anyway?

Wtf do you think Russia will do? Just sit back and take it, or could they seek to destroy rocket supplies with one of the tactical Nucs they've deployed to the front?

Any one who thinks launching long range rockets into Russia is a cool idea needs to give their head a wobble.

And what next, a NATO air strike on Moscow perhaps?
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Ukraine has every right to go after military targets inside Russia, the ones that are constantly targeting civilians and killing innocent Ukrainians.
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,883
Grendel said:
The fact you constantly believe propaganda is fascinating yet accuse others of the same.

The fact you trust a brutal military regime like the US is actually disturbing.
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The fact you call the US a brutal military regime is actually disturbing. Their leader doesn't even know what day it is
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,884
fatso said:
Yea. About time we escalated the totaly shit situation a bit further towards WW3, I mean who wants to live anyway?

Wtf do you think Russia will do? Just sit back and take it, or could they seek to destroy rocket supplies with one of the tactical Nucs they've deployed to the front?

Any one who thinks launching long range rockets into Russia is a cool idea needs to give their head a wobble.

And what next, a NATO air strike on Moscow perhaps?
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I hate the term " tactical" nuclear weapon ; as if it's a small precise thing that will just destroy a precise target and not cause mass loss of life.
The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be considered " tactical" in terms of destructive power by today's standards. Yet somehow calling them "tactical" by the military fills us all with a sense of restraint.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,885
Skybluekyle said:
The fact you call the US a brutal military regime is actually disturbing. Their leader doesn't even know what day it is
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In fairness the USA are responsible for more war crimes and for backing genocidal regimes in the last 80 years than probably any major military on earth , they are by the very definition a brutal regime , masquerading as the world's police
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,886
Evo1883 said:
In fairness the USA are responsible for more war crimes and for backing genocidal regimes in the last 80 years than probably any major military on earth , they are by the very definition a brutal regime , masquerading as the world's police
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And invading countries, of course.
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,887
Evo1883 said:
In fairness the USA are responsible for more war crimes and for backing genocidal regimes in the last 80 years than probably any major military on earth , they are by the very definition a brutal regime , masquerading as the world's police
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Name a genocide the US has been in favour of
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,888
Skybluekyle said:
Name a genocide the US has been in favour of
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The one they are currently backing in gaza
 
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Skybluekyle

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,889
Evo1883 said:
The one they are currently backing in gaza
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You think the US is actually giving its full backing, really? Even in Ukraine it's fucking things
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2024
  • #8,890
Skybluekyle said:
You think the US is actually giving its full backing, really? Even in Ukraine it's fucking things
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The USA are backing these wars , and are also Israels greatest ally , they could stop that war tonight if they decided too
 
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