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USSR invades Ukraine. (11 Viewers)

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Grendel

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  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,751
PVA said:
Because it was making progress. Then it stopped.

Like the Kharkiv offensive was making progress. Then it stopped.
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Lol
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,752
Come back to me when you figure out the concept of time
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,753
In other news:


 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,754
PVA said:
Come back to me when you figure out the concept of time
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I don’t think I’ll bother - I think most concepts involving any kind of cognitive thoughts are beyond you.

Are you a company director by any chance?
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,755
Because my employment status is really relevant to the war in Ukraine. Creep.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,756
Ukraine obviously won't even entertain this, but a sign of Putin panicking? Momentum shifting back to Ukraine?


 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,757
PVA said:
Ukraine obviously won't even entertain this, but a sign of Putin panicking? Momentum shifting back to Ukraine?


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How's the momentum shifting back to Ukraine? It was only a few days ago that you finally started to acknowledge that it's a stalemate.
 
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PVA

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,758
Sick Boy said:
How's the momentum shifting back to Ukraine? It was only a few days ago that you finally started to acknowledge that it's a stalemate.
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Well given their incredible new offensive has amounted to nothing and Putin is now considering halting the war I'd say it's a fairly obvious indicator that it's not looking great for Russia at the moment no?
 
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wingy

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,759
Who knows where we are in the political cycle worldwide?
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,760
PVA said:
Well given their incredible new offensive has amounted to nothing and Putin is now considering halting the war I'd say it's a fairly obvious indicator that it's not looking great for Russia at the moment no?
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No, you've completely missed the point.

Putin offered a truce nearly 2 years ago, and it was rejected, he's now got all the territory he wants, he's got his foot on the throat of Ukraine, and he's offered some clemency.
If an offer is rejected, he will roll all over Ukraine. They'd be stupid to reject the offer.
As it stands the whole of Ukraine is on the brink of collapse.

As far as the USA continuing to supply Ukraine with weapons, I'd suggest that will come to an end very soon, the will of the American people is no longer behind the plan, and there is an election later this year, after which I think the money for Ukraine will stop.
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,761
fatso said:
No, you've completely missed the point.

Putin offered a truce nearly 2 years ago, and it was rejected, he's now got all the territory he wants, he's got his foot on the throat of Ukraine, and he's offered some clemency.
If an offer is rejected, he will roll all over Ukraine. They'd be stupid to reject the offer.
As it stands the whole of Ukraine is on the brink of collapse.

As far as the USA continuing to supply Ukraine with weapons, I'd suggest that will come to an end very soon, the will of the American people is no longer behind the plan, and there is an election later this year, after which I think the money for Ukraine will stop.
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Hitler also agreed to a truce in 1939, but told the Allies that Poland's future would be exclusively decided by the Soviet Union and Germany.

Unfortunately for Herr Putin, Europe has realised that appeasement is not the answer.
 
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PVA

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,762
fatso said:
he's now got all the territory he wants, he's got his foot on the throat of Ukraine, and he's offered some clemency.
If an offer is rejected, he will roll all over Ukraine. They'd be stupid to reject the offer.
As it stands the whole of Ukraine is on the brink of collapse.
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Yes, he's got his foot on the throat of Ukraine and he's just waiting for the right moment to steamroller the whole country 800 days into his 3 day war.

Any minute now.

Yep, he's intentionally waited this long and inflicted 500k Russian casualties because...reasons.

Everything is going perfectly to plan.

Just waiting for him to give the order.
 
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PVA

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,763
Skybluekyle said:
Hitler also agreed to a truce in 1939, but told the Allies that Poland's future would be exclusively decided by the Soviet Union and Germany.

Unfortunately for Herr Putin, Europe has realised that appeasement is not the answer.
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Yeah a truce would be suicidal for Ukraine. It's quite clear Russia would just use it to rearm and go again in a few years time.
 
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SIR ERNIE

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,764
A generation of Ukrainian young men have been killed, seriously wounded or fled the country to avoid call up. They need another 500,000 front line troops. In six months time Biden's support and funding will cease. There's no realistic alternative to a negotiated settlement.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,765
Sick Boy said:
How's the momentum shifting back to Ukraine? It was only a few days ago that you finally started to acknowledge that it's a stalemate.
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The Kyiv News is clearly an independent source
 
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Grendel

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,766
SIR ERNIE said:
A generation of Ukrainian young men have been killed, seriously wounded or fled the country to avoid call up. They need another 500,000 front line troops. In six months time Biden's support and funding will cease. There's no realistic alternative to a negotiated settlement.
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Too sensible for PVA
 
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fatso

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,767
PVA said:
Yes, he's got his foot on the throat of Ukraine and he's just waiting for the right moment to steamroller the whole country 800 days into his 3 day war.

Any minute now.

Yep, he's intentionally waited this long and inflicted 500k Russian casualties because...reasons.

Everything is going perfectly to plan.

Just waiting for him to give the order.
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That's about right.
 
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PVA

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,768
fatso said:
That's about right.
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Funny thing is I think you actually believe that.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,769
PVA said:
Well given their incredible new offensive has amounted to nothing and Putin is now considering halting the war I'd say it's a fairly obvious indicator that it's not looking great for Russia at the moment no?
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So it's a stalemate, then.
 
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PVA

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,770
Sick Boy said:
So it's a stalemate, then.
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Just waiting for Putin to give the nod and it'll all be over in a few days apparently.
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,771
PVA said:
Funny thing is I think you actually believe that.
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Well I can tell you one thing for sure, Putin ain't losing, if you choose to believe he's struggling, then good luck to you, as you've clearly got your head stuck in the sand.

If you don't believe me, fine. just sit tight and watch this play out.
 
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PVA

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,772
fatso said:
Well I can tell you one thing for sure, Putin ain't losing, if you choose to believe he's struggling, then good luck to you, as you've clearly got your head stuck in the sand.

If you don't believe me, fine. just sit tight and watch this play out.
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Just trying to work out the logic of racking up 500k casualties and hundreds of billions of dollars of equipment losses when apparently all he has to do is give an order to steamroll the whole country. Seems a bit of a strange tactic for such a strategic genius.
 
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Skybluekyle

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,773
fatso said:
Well I can tell you one thing for sure, Putin ain't losing, if you choose to believe he's struggling, then good luck to you, as you've clearly got your head stuck in the sand.

If you don't believe me, fine. just sit tight and watch this play out.
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It is almost perverse how much glee you take from this war. I wouldn't go as far as to say you want Russia to win, but you would definitely take an unhealthy amount of joy in them doing so to be proven "right".
 

fatso

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,774
PVA said:
Just trying to work out the logic of racking up 500k casualties and hundreds of billions of dollars of equipment losses when apparently all he has to do is give an order to steamroll the whole country. Seems a bit of a strange tactic for such a strategic genius.
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I originally thought that, but apparently that's how they do things, it's all about limiting his own casualties, and according to some strategists, Russian losses are nowhere near the numbers we are hearing.

There's no doubt they are continuing to creep forward relentlessly. They now have total air supremacy and are taking a number of towns with no resistance. It looks like it will be over before the end of summer unless NATO puts boots on the ground in massive numbers, which I can't see happening.

The worry for me is that the slow pace of the Russian advance is tantamount to Putin goading the west to interveen, which would obviously play right into his hands.

Imo, if there's a truce to be had, Ukraine needs to take it, before there's no one left to fight.
 

fatso

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,775
Skybluekyle said:
It is almost perverse how much glee you take from this war. I wouldn't go as far as to say you want Russia to win, but you would definitely take an unhealthy amount of joy in them doing so to be proven "right".
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Complete and utter nonsence of the absolute highest order.
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,776
fatso said:
I originally thought that, but apparently that's how they do things, it's all about limiting his own casualties, and according to some strategists, Russian losses are nowhere near the numbers we are hearing.

There's no doubt they are continuing to creep forward relentlessly. They now have total air supremacy and are taking a number of towns with no resistance. It looks like it will be over before the end of summer unless NATO puts boots on the ground in massive numbers, which I can't see happening.

The worry for me is that the slow pace of the Russian advance is tantamount to Putin goading the west to interveen, which would obviously play right into his hands.

Imo, if there's a truce to be had, Ukraine needs to take it, before there's no one left to fight.
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It's this kind of pro-Kremlin nonsense that I see you spout that makes me think what I outlined above. If Herr Putin does care about limiting his own causalities, it would be in complete odds with the MO of Russia up until now, and also contrary to reports.

NATO is not going to war with Russia, as NATO would wipe the floor with Russia in conventional warfare, from a defensive perspective, and Putin and Russia knows this. It's a complete fallacy to suggest otherwise. China is secretly annoyed with Russia, as Europe is a counterbalance to the US, same as their annoyance with Russian interference with the EU Referendum in the UK.
 
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PVA

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,777
fatso said:
There's no doubt they are continuing to creep forward relentlessly. They now have total air supremacy and are taking a number of towns with no resistance. It looks like it will be over before the end of summer unless NATO puts boots on the ground in massive numbers, which I can't see happening.
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I'd love to know what your sources are for all this.

You keep contradicting yourself: Putin is trying to keep casualties down...but is engaging in several years of war...that he could have got done in a few days...because they're so strong...but 500k is 'keeping casualties down '

 

fatso

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,778
PVA said:
I'd love to know what your sources are for all this.

You keep contradicting yourself: Putin is trying to keep casualties down...but is engaging in several years of war...that he could have got done in a few days...because they're so strong...but 500k is 'keeping casualties down '

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A, it's nowhere near 500k casualties, that's western propaganda. America's own strategists are admitting Russian casualties are low. (There's plenty of comment and interviews on line)

B, The slow pace of the advance could be down to a number of reasons, such as, giving civilians time to flee, not overstretching his supply lines too quickly, giving time for diplomatic talks, or simply goading NATO, in short I have no idea why Putin is being so cautious.

But I know he isn't under any pressure at home, The Russian economy has surged since going onto a war footing, businesses are booming, even workers are making unprecedented amounts of money from all the arms being manufactured.
So Putin is in no hurry to stop this war,
In fact the very opposite is probably true, when the war ends he will be facing massive inflation and rising unemployment.

He also knows that come the next American election Biden will probably be out of office, and Trump has openly said he will stop the supply of weapons to Ukraine if he wins, so again all he needs to do is sit tight.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,779
PVA said:
Just waiting for Putin to give the nod and it'll all be over in a few days apparently.
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Ive been saying it was a stalemate for nearly a year now; glad you got there in the end too.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,780
fatso said:
B, The slow pace of the advance could be down to a number of reasons, such as, giving civilians time to flee, not overstretching his supply lines too quickly, giving time for diplomatic talks, or simply goading NATO, in short I have no idea why Putin is being so cautious.
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...or because they physically aren't able to?

They planned to win the war in three days, the fact we're 800 days in and they're no further forward than this time 2 years ago is not because Putin is being 'cautious'.

I can't believe that even needs saying tbh.
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,781
PVA said:
...or because they physically aren't able to?

They planned to win the war in three days, the fact we're 800 days in and they're no further forward than this time 2 years ago is not because Putin is being 'cautious'.

I can't believe that even needs saying tbh.
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They are further forward, they are well advanced and steadily gaining ground.
 
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PVA

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  • May 24, 2024
  • #8,782
fatso said:
They are further forward, they are well advanced and steadily gaining ground.
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They aren't further forward than this time 2 years ago, they have less territory.

And they have captured approximately 170 square miles in the last month. At that rate it will take 115 years to control of Ukraine.
 

Grendel

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  • May 25, 2024
  • #8,783
In other news the totally realiable Kyiv Post suggests Elvis is still alive on the moon but living in a double decker bus was just a rumour and not yet confirmed.
 
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PVA

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  • May 25, 2024
  • #8,784
Grendel said:
In other news the totally realiable Kyiv Post suggests Elvis is still alive on the moon but living in a double decker bus was just a rumour and not yet confirmed.
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That's more believable than reporting that Kyiv would be lost in 3 days I guess.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 25, 2024
  • #8,785
PVA said:
That's more believable than reporting that Kyiv would be lost in 3 days I guess.
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Or that Putin is panicking
 
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