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USSR invades Ukraine. (17 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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shmmeee

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  • May 14, 2024
  • #8,716
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
It doesn't need to take the whole of Ukraine.
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Just wants the oily bits and the coastline I’d imagine.
 
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fatso

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  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,717
SBT said:
Are you a regular viewer of Napolitano’s show? He has quite the career history.
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Ahhh I see, it's that old trick, where if you don't like the message, discredit the messenger.
 
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SBT

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  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,718
fatso said:
Ahhh I see, it's that old trick, where if you don't like the message, discredit the messenger.
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I didn’t watch the video, so I’m only talking about the messenger really.
 

fatso

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  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,719
SBT said:
I didn’t watch the video, so I’m only talking about the messenger really.
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Well that's constructive.
 
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SBT

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  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,720
fatso said:
Well that's constructive.
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Didn’t mean to make you feel insecure about your fave YouTuber!
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,721
SBT said:
Didn’t mean to make you feel insecure about your fave YouTuber!
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I never said anything about him being my favourite, just thought the guy being interviewed by him (Larry Johnson) seemed to have a reasonable handle on the current situation.

You on the other hand didn't even listen to the interview because you've decided that you don't like the guy asking the questions.

But still thought it was prudent to add a negative comment, which is unbelievably bizarre.
 

skyblueelephant76

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,722
fatso said:
I never said anything about him being my favourite, just thought the guy being interviewed by him (Larry Johnson) seemed to have a reasonable handle on the current situation.

You on the other hand didn't even listen to the interview because you've decided that you don't like the guy asking the questions.

But still thought it was prudent to add a negative comment, which is unbelievably bizarre.
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I did watch the video and 'reasonable handle on the current situation' is an interesting way to describe it.

Johnson has been spouting vitriolic nonsense for years, coming out with constant unsubstantiated claims and happy to share his views with propagandists.

He claimed Zelenskiy has stolen billions and had his political opponents killed (I think he's getting confused with Putin).

He also spouts the same neo-nazi rubbish as Putin:




 

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,723
Zelensky has had to cancel his various planned trips abroad due to Russian advances.
 
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wingy

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  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,724
Slovakia PM shot, apparently after he's expressed a more tolerant attitude to Russia?
 

Grendel

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  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,725
Sick Boy said:
Zelensky has had to cancel his various planned trips abroad due to Russian advances.
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Im sure with all their lives lost and they only had 1 tank at the parade this has to be propaganda
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,726
wingy said:
Slovakia PM shot, apparently after he's expressed a more tolerant attitude to Russia?
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Possibly too early to tell but he’s definitely pro Russian. I read an article a month or two back where he’d pledged to not send one more penny to Ukraine only for the general public to raise $1M dollars from donations for Ukraine to buy ammunition.

Been kicking off in Georgia too this week. Mass protests in the streets as the government is trying to push more pro Russian legislation through.

Eastern Europe is a tinderbox at the moment.
 
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wingy

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  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,727
skybluetony176 said:
Possibly too early to tell but he’s definitely pro Russian. I read an article a month or two back where he’d pledged to not send one more penny to Ukraine only for the general public to raise $1M dollars from donations for Ukraine to buy ammunition.

Been kicking off in Georgia too this week. Mass protests in the streets as the government is trying to push more pro Russian legislation through.

Eastern Europe is a tinderbox at the moment.
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Not been following it closely but saw something about Georgia this week, women don't know who suggesting it's not aligned with the population,85% of electorate express a more western desire?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,728
skybluetony176 said:
Possibly too early to tell but he’s definitely pro Russian. I read an article a month or two back where he’d pledged to not send one more penny to Ukraine only for the general public to raise $1M dollars from donations for Ukraine to buy ammunition.

Been kicking off in Georgia too this week. Mass protests in the streets as the government is trying to push more pro Russian legislation through.

Eastern Europe is a tinderbox at the moment.
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Yeah and the general public also voted him into power with the pledge. It's always tended to have more of a pro-Russian view that others in the region.
 

Grendel

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  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,729
Sick Boy said:
Yeah and the general public also voted him into power with the pledge. It's always tended to have more of a pro-Russian view that others in the region.
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But Tony has read an article
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,730
Sick Boy said:
Yeah and the general public also voted him into power with the pledge. It's always tended to have more of a pro-Russian view that others in the region.
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He only won 28% of the vote. Slovakia is pretty polarised anyway and just because he won a majority doesn’t mean he’s still popular. Look at Argentina. They only voted their populist into power last December in a landslide and now they want him out with almost constant protesting around the country.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2024
  • #8,731
wingy said:
Not been following it closely but saw something about Georgia this week, women don't know who suggesting it's not aligned with the population,85% of electorate express a more western desire?
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From what I’ve read it’s being seen as an attempt to hinder opposition parties ahead of upcoming elections in line with changes Putin made to hold onto power in 2011. I think the majority of the population want to join the EU and this is being received as an attempt to stop that.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 16, 2024
  • #8,732
Interesting article

Ukraine Is Now a World War. And Putin Is Gaining Friends.

Global proxy conflicts were a constant in Cold War I, and Russia’s invasion marked the first of Cold War II.
www.bloomberg.com
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 16, 2024
  • #8,733
Grendel said:
Interesting article

Ukraine Is Now a World War. And Putin Is Gaining Friends.

Global proxy conflicts were a constant in Cold War I, and Russia’s invasion marked the first of Cold War II.
www.bloomberg.com
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Said it before that most don’t look at the bigger picture of what’s going on. I seem to remember being laughed at it for suggesting it and it was said that Russia was on the verge of collapse.
 

Grendel

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  • May 16, 2024
  • #8,734
Sick Boy said:
Said it before that most don’t look at the bigger picture of what’s going on. I seem to remember being laughed at it for suggesting it and it was said that Russia was on the verge of collapse.
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India are another country that is essentially seeing this is an opportunity and siding with Russia along with many African regimes
 

shmmeee

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  • May 16, 2024
  • #8,735
Sick Boy said:
Said it before that most don’t look at the bigger picture of what’s going on. I seem to remember being laughed at it for suggesting it and it was said that Russia was on the verge of collapse.
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Not sure how you and G justify crowing with this article that basically says it’s important for the West that Russia loses the war but OK.

What I get from that is fucking around and trying to play smart bought Russia enough time to get their ducks in a row and now it’s a much harder job. Which is exactly what everyone bar you two in this thread has been saying.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 16, 2024
  • #8,736
shmmeee said:
Not sure how you and G justify crowing with this article that basically says it’s important for the West that Russia loses the war but OK.

What I get from that is fucking around and trying to play smart bought Russia enough time to get their ducks in a row and now it’s a much harder job. Which is exactly what everyone bar you two in this thread has been saying.
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Of course, it's important for the West to beat Russia but it's not going to happen any time soon because Russia isn't fighting the war alone considering it essentially has China behind it.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 16, 2024
  • #8,737
Sick Boy said:
Of course, it's important for the West to beat Russia but it's not going to happen any time soon because Russia isn't fighting the war alone considering it essentially has China behind it.
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Now it does. We had made it impossible for them to join and if we’d finished the job we could have seriously weakened ties between China and Russia.

I’m not sure how China joining means we have to put less support in. Like we did with Russian oil if anything it should be an alarm to move manufacturing and the like back to the west. That’s what the US seems to have realised with chip production and the like. IMO the EU/UK needs to refocus from a very long peacetime and get real about protecting the interests of liberal democracy and the international order.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 17, 2024
  • #8,738
shmmeee said:
Now it does. We had made it impossible for them to join and if we’d finished the job we could have seriously weakened ties between China and Russia.

I’m not sure how China joining means we have to put less support in. Like we did with Russian oil if anything it should be an alarm to move manufacturing and the like back to the west. That’s what the US seems to have realised with chip production and the like. IMO the EU/UK needs to refocus from a very long peacetime and get real about protecting the interests of liberal democracy and the international order.
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Yeah, US has been working on that for a while, especially with essentials like chip manufacture. Bidens also brought in new major China tariffs this week. Chinas internal economy has been struggling, especially property market, so that might hurt but only if others follow suit. I do wonder if China might’ve overplayed their hand/flexed muscles too soon but only time will tell.

Hate that we’ve got to this point but countries really do have to start picking sides, unfortunately I worry that forcing nutters together and giving them no out, the situation could get worse.

Don’t tell Tony but if I’d known how the world would evolve over the past few years, war on our doorstep, increasing worries over China, US becoming more isolationist etc I may even have accepted remaining in the EU
 
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PVA

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  • May 17, 2024
  • #8,739
No mention of Shoigu getting sacked in here.

Russia's offensive clearly not going as well as some would have you believe. (I mean, obviously it isn't, as they're 800 days into a 3 day war, but you know what I mean).
 
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Grendel

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  • May 17, 2024
  • #8,740
PVA said:
No mention of Shoigu getting sacked in here.

Russia's offensive clearly not going as well as some would have you believe. (I mean, obviously it isn't, as they're 800 days into a 3 day war, but you know what I mean).
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Most experts thought WW1 would end by Christmas 1914 so i fail to see any point being made here
 
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PVA

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  • May 17, 2024
  • #8,741
Grendel said:
Most experts thought WW1 would end by Christmas 1914 so i fail to see any point being made here
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Well I thought it was quite simple, but I'll explain. My point is the defence minister and long term Putin ally has been sacked, so clearly all is not rosy in the Kremlin.

Hope that helps.
 
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PVA

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  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,742
Looks like the great Kharkiv offensive that you'd be forgiven for thinking would have Russia at the gates of Kyiv soon has come to a standstill after managing to advance... about 5km.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,743
PVA said:
Looks like the great Kharkiv offensive that you'd be forgiven for thinking would have Russia at the gates of Kyiv soon has come to a standstill after managing to advance... about 5km.
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It’s almost like it’s a stalemate, isn’t it?
 
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PVA

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  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,744
Sick Boy said:
It’s almost like it’s a stalemate, isn’t it?
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I haven't said otherwise for a long time, you were the one saying Russia had the upper hand and talking about Russian advances, which as is often the case seem to have bee blown out of proportion.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,745
PVA said:
I haven't said otherwise for a long time, you were the one saying Russia had the upper hand and talking about Russian advances, which as is often the case seem to have bee blown out of proportion.
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This is a response to you from nearly a year ago…
Sick Boy said:
Where have I said that? And no, of course it wouldn't have been.
I don't believe either side can actually win though and it'll be an ongoing stalemate for years to come and the best solution would be to move toward negotiations as soon as possible.
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Grendel

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  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,746
PVA said:
Looks like the great Kharkiv offensive that you'd be forgiven for thinking would have Russia at the gates of Kyiv soon has come to a standstill after managing to advance... about 5km.
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Bit like the great Ukraine counter offensive then
 

Grendel

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  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,747
PVA said:
Christ. It is. That's just a fact.

If someone were to say it's making excellent progress, or speedy progress, or they're progressing so well they'll be in the Red Square in 10 minutes then that would be wrong.

But it is making progress. That is factual.
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This is relating to the Ukraine counter offensive

If you didn’t speak in proper English dear chap I’d think you were MMM
 
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PVA

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  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,748
Grendel said:
Bit like the great Ukraine counter offensive then
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Well yeah, that’s the point. The Ukraine counteroffensive was seen as a massive failure and the Russian Kharkiv offensive seen as a great success, even though they’re basically the same.
 
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PVA

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  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,749
Grendel said:
This is relating to the Ukraine counter offensive

If you didn’t speak in proper English dear chap I’d think you were MMM
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Because it was making progress. Then it stopped.

Like the Kharkiv offensive was making progress. Then it stopped.
 

Grendel

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  • May 21, 2024
  • #8,750
PVA said:
Well yeah, that’s the point. The Ukraine counteroffensive was seen as a massive failure and the Russian Kharkiv offensive seen as a great success, even though they’re basically the same.
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You said the counter offensive was making progress (see above)
 
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