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USSR invades Ukraine. (13 Viewers)

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PVA

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,086
Grendel said:
this is a conflict of no relevance or global significance and we should have left it well alone.
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This you? (literally 5 mins ago)

Grendel said:
t’s only you and a couple of others cheerleading more pointless death and destruction.
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Amazing.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,087
PVA said:
This you? (literally 5 mins ago)



Amazing.
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Er yes it is me. The point being all the West has done is prop up and cheerleader Ukraine into letting it’s people die.

With no actual military aid and support this would have ended a long time ago.

Oddly you can’t reverse what has happened

We are now where we are but there is growing realism this has to at some cease and it will never cease until Ukraine are forced to concede territory - this is inevitable now.
 
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djr8369

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,088
Grendel said:
Er yes it is me. The point being all the West has done is prop up and cheerleader Ukraine into letting it’s people die.

With no actual military aid and support this would have ended a long time ago.

Oddly you can’t reverse what has happened

We are now where we are but there is growing realism this has to at some cease and it will never cease until Ukraine are forced to concede territory - this is inevitable now.
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It will carry on until politicians feel Russia won’t be able to rebuild within a few years and do it all somewhere else in a few years.

The cost to Russia has to be great enough they won’t be able to try this again
 
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djr8369

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,089
Grendel said:
Oddly you can’t reverse what has happened
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Seems to be what Putin is attempting.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,090
djr8369 said:
It will carry on until politicians feel Russia won’t be able to rebuild within a few years and do it all somewhere else in a few years.

The cost to Russia has to be great enough they won’t be able to try this again
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They won’t try it again. Ukraine has always been a target for Russia - the notion they are going to return to the old Soviet Republic is for the birds.
 
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djr8369

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,091
Grendel said:
They won’t try it again. Ukraine has always been a target for Russia - the notion they are going to return to the old Soviet Republic is for the birds.
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Yeah it’s what, the third time in 10 years they’ve taken a bit of the republic back by force? Nothing to see here.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,092
djr8369 said:
Yeah it’s what, the third time in 10 years they’ve taken a bit of the republic back by force? Nothing to see here.
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Correct there is nothing to see. The notion it’s going to steamroll through the former states of Poland , Czech Republic etc is beyond ridiculous.
 
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djr8369

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,093
Grendel said:
Correct there is nothing to see. The notion it’s going to steamroll through the former states of Poland , Czech Republic etc is beyond ridiculous.
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Of course this is what was said about the regions they are steamrolling through now but this time it’s definitely true. Probably.

Let’s assume you’re right though. How would you explain to a Ukrainian that they should simply sit this out and see what life is like under Russian rule?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,094
Grendel said:
Correct there is nothing to see. The notion it’s going to steamroll through the former states of Poland , Czech Republic etc is beyond ridiculous.
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They were never part if the USSR. It would be places like Georgia and the Baltic states.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,095
Grendel said:
You live in a land of self delusion - this is a conflict of no relevance or global significance and we should have left it well alone.
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Of course it's of global significance!!
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,096
djr8369 said:
Let’s assume you’re right though. How would you explain to a Ukrainian that they should simply sit this out and see what life is like under Russian rule?
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Ukraine's government is corrupt so it's only right they are replaced by an even more corrupt government. Or something.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,097
In the last Polls about 59% of US public support aid to Ukraine, only 30% outright oppose it. Even in the senate’s only about half of republicans oppose funding Ukraine in any shape, way or form and that’s the MAGA contingent whose only purpose seems to be to oppose everything. I don’t know what the notion that the US doesn’t support Ukraine comes from but it’s not based in reality.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,098
PVA said:
Ukraine's government is corrupt so it's only right they are replaced by an even more corrupt government. Or something.
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So you think it should be taken over then? Who by - the US?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,099
Deleted member 9744 said:
Of course it's of global significance!!
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Why?
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,100
Grendel said:
Why?
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Breadbasket status don't know the details of rest of it but something about British interests in agriculture?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,101
skybluetony176 said:
In the last Polls about 59% of US public support aid to Ukraine, only 30% outright oppose it. Even in the senate’s only about half of republicans oppose funding Ukraine in any shape, way or form and that’s the MAGA contingent whose only purpose seems to be to oppose everything. I don’t know what the notion that the US doesn’t support Ukraine comes from but it’s not based in reality.
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Do you have a link to that?
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,102
Grendel said:
So you think it should be taken over then? Who by - the US?
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Who runs the Ukrainian government is up to the Ukrainian people.

It is not for Vladimir Putin to decide.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Feb 14, 2024
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Grendel said:
Why?
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Any idea how much of the world's food comes from Ukraine? Food security is pretty globally significant.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,104
wingy said:
Breadbasket status don't know the details of rest of it but something about British interests in agriculture?
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Its even more important than that. Really interesting article from Matthew syed in the Sunday times which I meant to attach earlier in the week

Here’s a snippet

‘Let’s circle back to Ukraine. Did you know that it has been described by Jonathan Maxwell in his superb book The Edge as a “mineral superpower”? Did you know it has the second-largest gas reserves in Europe after Norway? Or that the Donbas boasts one of the largest coal deposits in the world? And that Ukraine has stocks of 117 of the 120 most widely used metals and minerals, including manganese, sulphur, graphite, titanium and nickel? Did you know that one think tank has estimated the mineral wealth now under Russian control in Ukraine at $12.4 trillion, which is nearly four times the UK’s GDP (albeit the former is a stock, the latter a flow).’

The Times & The Sunday Times

News and opinion from The Times & The Sunday Times
www.thetimes.co.uk
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,105
Grendel said:
Do you have a link to that?
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Poll finds strong support for arming Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan

A Reagan Institute poll found high public support for arming friendly U.S. countries and high military spending as Congress negotiates a giant aid package.
www.defensenews.com
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,106
CCFCSteve said:
Its even more important than that. Really interesting article from Matthew syed in the Sunday times which I meant to attach earlier in the week

Here’s a snippet

‘Let’s circle back to Ukraine. Did you know that it has been described by Jonathan Maxwell in his superb book The Edge as a “mineral superpower”? Did you know it has the second-largest gas reserves in Europe after Norway? Or that the Donbas boasts one of the largest coal deposits in the world? And that Ukraine has stocks of 117 of the 120 most widely used metals and minerals, including manganese, sulphur, graphite, titanium and nickel? Did you know that one think tank has estimated the mineral wealth now under Russian control in Ukraine at $12.4 trillion, which is nearly four times the UK’s GDP (albeit the former is a stock, the latter a flow).’

The Times & The Sunday Times

News and opinion from The Times & The Sunday Times
www.thetimes.co.uk
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It’s almost as if Putins motivation is nothing to with Nazis and everything to do with mineral wealth.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #8,107
CCFCSteve said:
Its even more important than that. Really interesting article from Matthew syed in the Sunday times which I meant to attach earlier in the week

Here’s a snippet

‘Let’s circle back to Ukraine. Did you know that it has been described by Jonathan Maxwell in his superb book The Edge as a “mineral superpower”? Did you know it has the second-largest gas reserves in Europe after Norway? Or that the Donbas boasts one of the largest coal deposits in the world? And that Ukraine has stocks of 117 of the 120 most widely used metals and minerals, including manganese, sulphur, graphite, titanium and nickel? Did you know that one think tank has estimated the mineral wealth now under Russian control in Ukraine at $12.4 trillion, which is nearly four times the UK’s GDP (albeit the former is a stock, the latter a flow).’

The Times & The Sunday Times

News and opinion from The Times & The Sunday Times
www.thetimes.co.uk
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This is the real kicker. Handing Putin large chunks of the energy and food supply chain is madness. Unless you’re tankie Grendel who believes every word of a Putin interview of course.
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,108
If this a war over resources and I think there an element of that, there'll be more of them no?
What will be the ultimate outcome?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,109
skybluetony176 said:

Poll finds strong support for arming Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan

A Reagan Institute poll found high public support for arming friendly U.S. countries and high military spending as Congress negotiates a giant aid package.
www.defensenews.com
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Depends what the question is

Almost half of Americans think U.S. spending too much on Ukraine aid, AP-NORC poll says

Close to half of the U.S. public thinks the country is spending too much on aid to Ukraine.
www.pbs.org
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,110
shmmeee said:
This is the real kicker. Handing Putin large chunks of the energy and food supply chain is madness. Unless you’re tankie Grendel who believes every word of a Putin interview of course.
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I haven’t listened to the interview. No one believes mr Putin
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,111
PVA said:
Who runs the Ukrainian government is up to the Ukrainian people.

It is not for Vladimir Putin to decide.
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Lol so naive and forgetting one democratically elected leader was overthrown by a coup
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,112
Grendel said:
Lol so naive and forgetting one democratically elected leader was overthrown by a coup
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And you are aware why he was overthrown, right?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,113
PVA said:
And you are aware why he was overthrown, right?
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You are aware he was democratically elected, right?

You are aware of US interference in that process to encourage anti Russian sentiment in the area, right?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,114
Also the notion that the good old USA will not impose its continued influence in their domestic government and its financial and fiscal rules for decades to come is for the birds
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,115
Grendel said:
Also the notion that the good old USA will not impose its continued influence in their domestic government and its financial and fiscal rules for decades to come is for the birds
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So what do you think is better for the Ukrainian people, which do you think they'd choose:

Be influenced by the US

or

Cease to exist as a country and live under Russian rule


Hmmm. Tricky one isn't it.

Fucking idiot.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,116
Grendel said:
Also the notion that the good old USA will not impose its continued influence in their domestic government and its financial and fiscal rules for decades to come is for the birds
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Have to admit I never saw you as a supporter of Daniel Ortega until now!
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,117
Grendel said:
You are aware he was democratically elected, right?

You are aware of US interference in that process to encourage anti Russian sentiment in the area, right?
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On a different manifesto to the one he actually tried to implement. We’re not talking Lib Dem’s not delivering free university here. He done a complete 180, he ran on a manifesto of signing an already agreed trade deal with the EU which the vast vast majority of Ukrainians backed and instead signed a trade deal with Russia. They also held fresh elections straight after. He acted like a dictator and Ukraine wholesale rejected that.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,118
PVA said:
So what do you think is better for the Ukrainian people, which do you think they'd choose:

Be influenced by the US

or

Cease to exist as a country and live under Russian rule


Hmmm. Tricky one isn't it.

Fucking idiot.
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Christ
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,119

Ukraine-Russia war live: Moscow laying groundwork for Moldova invasion, warn experts

The Kremlin is using “very similar” rhetoric towards Moldova as it did before its invasion of Ukraine, the Institute for the Study of War reported.
www.telegraph.co.uk
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #8,120
skybluetony176 said:

Ukraine-Russia war live: Moscow laying groundwork for Moldova invasion, warn experts

The Kremlin is using “very similar” rhetoric towards Moldova as it did before its invasion of Ukraine, the Institute for the Study of War reported.
www.telegraph.co.uk
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Interesting quote from your article:

Ukrainians overwhelmingly trust the former armed forces chief over his newly-appointed replacement as confidence in President Zelensky drops, a survey has found.

That’s despite him saying the war is a stalemate, something I got hammered for on here.
 
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