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USSR invades Ukraine. (13 Viewers)

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Sick Boy

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  • Dec 13, 2023
  • #7,736
skybluetony176 said:
Which Gulf states do you expect to bail Russia out with investment?
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For starters - What does Putin want from the UAE and Saudi Arabia? | The Strategist
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Dec 13, 2023
  • #7,737
CCFCSteve said:
Best thing is for him to pass away as a replacement would have some wriggle room to do a deal that might be acceptable/justifiable to both ukraine and Russian people
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Depends who the replacement is as well - things could be worse!
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2023
  • #7,738

Russia-Ukraine war: Putin tells Russia his war objectives are unchanged

Russia's leader holds his first major news conference since his full-scale invasion of Ukraine began.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 14, 2023
  • #7,739
Sick Boy said:
For starters - What does Putin want from the UAE and Saudi Arabia? | The Strategist
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Visiting 2 countries that aren’t in the ICC to try and get them to fix the barrel price of crude oil is hardly evidence that they’re going to invest heavily in Russia. If anything it’s confirmation that Putin is desperate. You have to remember that as much as these 2 countries have a long standing relationship with Russia they have a much larger one with the west. The UAE and the US are strategic security partners in the Middle East and Gulf States, it even has a permanent military base in the UAE as part of that, it relies heavily on the US for security. Both countries also rely heavily on western armaments. I would be shocked if either would risk that to keep Putin in power. They will after all still have the option of doing trade with Russian whether Putin is there or not.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 14, 2023
  • #7,740
"Putin describes the US as an important country but accuses it of imperialism. He urges the US to 'respect other people and countries'"

Err...
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 14, 2023
  • #7,741

Russia Has Lost Almost 90% of Its Prewar Army, U.S. Intelligence Says

The declassified estimate says 315,000 personnel have been killed or injured in Ukraine.
www.wsj.com

Was this his war objective?
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,742
Interest rate in Russia is up to 16%, inflation up to 8%. Ruble is depreciating. Hopefully (probably wishful thinking) opinion will start to turn on Putin and the war.
 
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tisza

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,743
PVA said:
Interest rate in Russia is up to 16%, inflation up to 8%. Ruble is depreciating. Hopefully (probably wishful thinking) opinion will start to turn on Putin and the war.
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Plus the obvious massive ramp in military spending at the expense of other areas of govt spending
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,744
PVA said:
Interest rate in Russia is up to 16%, inflation up to 8%. Ruble is depreciating. Hopefully (probably wishful thinking) opinion will start to turn on Putin and the war.
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It's a bit risky turning against Putin or the war in Russia (see Prigozhin and everyone jailed for criticising the war). I think he'll win the election too. If we're holding out for the overthrow of Putin and the rest of the current regime I think we might be waiting quite a while.
 
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tisza

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,745
Deleted member 9744 said:
It's a bit risky turning against Putin or the war in Russia (see Prigozhin and everyone jailed for criticising the war). I think he'll win the election too. If we're holding out for the overthrow of Putin and the rest of the current regime I think we might be waiting quite a while.
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Definitely wins the election and opposition severely handcuffed in terms of party financing, media coverage, key personnel in jail or left the country
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,746
Deleted member 9744 said:
It's a bit risky turning against Putin or the war in Russia (see Prigozhin and everyone jailed for criticising the war). I think he'll win the election too. If we're holding out for the overthrow of Putin and the rest of the current regime I think we might be waiting quite a while.
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Still not convinced whoever follows him will be a liberal friend of the West, anyway!
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,747
Deleted member 9744 said:
I think he'll win the election too.
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There's zero chance of him not winning.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,748
Deleted member 5849 said:
Still not convinced whoever follows him will be a liberal friend of the West, anyway!
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This - if anything they'll be even more hostile. Will keep saying it but I think we're at the start of the balance of global power slowly moving away from the west.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,749
PVA said:
Interest rate in Russia is up to 16%, inflation up to 8%. Ruble is depreciating. Hopefully (probably wishful thinking) opinion will start to turn on Putin and the war.
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You do realise that is paradise compared to Gorbachev and when he dallied with Western democracy?
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,750
Deleted member 5849 said:
Still not convinced whoever follows him will be a liberal friend of the West, anyway!
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Why does no one understand Gorbachev is loathed on Russia and the flirtation with Western democracy proved a disaster and it’s population will move ever further away from this if challenged?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,751
Sick Boy said:
There's zero chance of him not winning.
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Oh really?

Must admit I thought it was obvious I was being ironic there.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,752
Deleted member 9744 said:
Oh really?

Must admit I thought it was obvious I was being ironic there.
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You never know! There was a post on here a few weeks ago seriously claiming he could end up losing.
 
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Fysnkysc

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,753
Deleted member 9744 said:
It's a bit risky turning against Putin or the war in Russia (see Prigozhin and everyone jailed for criticising the war). I think he'll win the election too. If we're holding out for the overthrow of Putin and the rest of the current regime I think we might be waiting quite a while.
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Win?
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,754
Grendel said:
You do realise that is paradise compared to Gorbachev and when he dallied with Western democracy?
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Sending 300,000 Russians and counting to an early grave for an ego trip sure sounds like paradise
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,755
Sick Boy said:
This - if anything they'll be even more hostile. Will keep saying it but I think we're at the start of the balance of global power slowly moving away from the west.
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They can't be any more hostile than Putin unless they want to be the person that destroys Russia.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,756
PVA said:
They can't be any more hostile than Putin
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Nobody could possibly be more hostile than Lenin...

And Brezhnev was pretty bad, but Andropov certainly not an improvement! Also didn't result in the withdrawal from their military operations elsewhere.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,757
Deleted member 5849 said:
Nobody could possibly be more hostile than Lenin...

And Brezhnev was pretty bad, but Andropov certainly not an improvement! Also didn't result in the withdrawal from their military operations elsewhere.
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Very different times though!

The only possible escalations from what Putin has done are to invade a NATO country and/or launch a nuke.

So they can be more hostile than Putin....but they'll destroy Russia in the process.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,758
PVA said:
Very different times though!
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The leadership successions to Gaddafi, Saddam etc then. Turned out well there.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,759
PVA said:
Sending 300,000 Russians and counting to an early grave for an ego trip sure sounds like paradise
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Point missed as always
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,760
Deleted member 5849 said:
The leadership successions to Gaddafi, Saddam etc then. Turned out well there.
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Why bother?
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,761
PVA said:
Very different times though!

The only possible escalations from what Putin has done are to invade a NATO country and/or launch a nuke.

So they can be more hostile than Putin....but they'll destroy Russia in the process.
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You have no understanding of Russia’s history and it’s culture at all
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,762
Deleted member 5849 said:
The leadership successions to Gaddafi, Saddam etc then. Turned out well there.
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I'm not sure if you've misunderstood me. I'm not saying the successor is going to be any better than Putin.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,763
Grendel said:
Point missed as always
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300,000 dead is quite a big point actually. Maybe not to you.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,764
Grendel said:
You have no understanding of Russia’s history and it’s culture at all
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Point missed as usual.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,765
PVA said:
300,000 dead is quite a big point actually. Maybe not to you.
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27 million Russians died in WW2 - Uncle Joe wasnt removed
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,766
PVA said:
Point missed as usual.
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PVA

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,767
Grendel said:
27 million Russians died in WW2 - Uncle Joe wasnt removed
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Like I said, very different times.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,768
PVA said:
Like I said, very different times.
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Is it a different culture? I have asked what you know about the Russian culture and stoicism - the reality is you know nothing but you carry on and let’s see what happens in the end shall we - perhaps you will repeat the amazing insight that Russia has become Chinas bitch - without realising the irony of such a statement.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,769
Grendel said:
Is it a different culture? I have asked what you know about the Russian culture and stoicism - the reality is you know nothing but you carry on and let’s see what happens in the end shall we - perhaps you will repeat the amazing insight that Russia has become Chinas bitch - without realising the irony of such a statement.
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I mean you said Kyiv would fall inside 3 days and that WW3 would start as soon as Ukraine received jets so really there's only one of us who knows nothing.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 17, 2023
  • #7,770
Grendel said:
27 million Russians died in WW2 - Uncle Joe wasnt removed
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My history is a little hazy but wasn’t the point WW2 to remove uncle Adolf not uncle Joe?
 
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