Brighton Sky Blue
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Yes OK but you agreed that the US wants Ukraine off the map. If it does it has a very strange way of going about it.
Yes OK but you agreed that the US wants Ukraine off the map. If it does it has a very strange way of going about it.What do all the arms supplied by America do to Ukraine? Remember the war is being conducted entirely in Ukrainian territory
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Fuckin hell. You do understand that Russia invaded another country? Have you somehow missed that detail? I really don’t know what to expect next from you. You sound like the sort of deranged individuals that’s claim Hitler was misunderstood while dipping into holocaust denial.Only if you live in a simplistic goodies vs baddies world like you do
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Fuckin hell. You do understand that Russia invaded another country? Have you somehow missed that detail? I really don’t know what to expect next from you. You sound like the sort of deranged individuals that’s claim Hitler was misunderstood while dipping into holocaust denial.
It really would have been as simple as let Russia crack on with it while not spending $1.Yes OK but you agreed that the US wants Ukraine off the map. If it does it has a very strange way of going about it.
You clearly don’t. You may be aware that it happened but you’re well short of understanding the implications of that. I’ll help you out. That makes Russia the baddies. Same as it did is when we invaded Iraq on a lie. Or maybe you think that’s too simplistic again.Yes, of course I understand that you stupid twat.
You clearly don’t. You may be aware that it happened but you’re well short of understanding the implications of that. I’ll help you out. That makes Russia the baddies. Same as it did is when we invaded Iraq on a lie. Or maybe you think that’s too simplistic again.
Depends. If you’re a Putin sympathiser then I guess not. If you believe that a sovereign nation has the right to democratically choose its own ideology and direction without fear of being invaded by a hostile neighbour who thinks they don’t have that right then there clearly is a goody and a baddie.Yes Tony, like I said it isn't a goodies vs baddies situation, is it?
Depends. If you’re a Putin sympathiser then I guess not. If you believe that a sovereign nation has the right to democratically choose its own ideology and direction without fear of being invaded by a hostile neighbour who thinks they don’t have that right then there clearly is a goody and a baddie.
For the record if Ukraine had have voted in a pro Russian/anti EU government triggering the/a neighbouring EU countries to invade Ukraine I would be labelling those EU countries the baddies. I also doubt that you would be claiming that it isn’t a of goodies vs baddies, I don’t doubt for one minute you’d do anything other than label them the baddies. It’s pretty clear from this thread that your migration from far left to far right is complete.
Better hit rate than Wright and Simms if he knows who they areTwo cathedrals Tonester strikes again
What about it? What about the first one?That second paragraph
Just your usual emotive irrational nonsenseWhat about it? What about the first one?
I’ll start worrying when I go as far as claiming that there’s no goodies or baddies in a conflict where who the baddies are couldn’t be clearer.Just your usual emotive irrational nonsense
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See any of your posts over the last couple of days.I will entertain you Tony:
Yes, Putin is a baddie for invading another country. Where have I ever said otherwise?
Ukraine is entitled to defend itself (this isn't in itself virtuous). Where have I ever said otherwise?
See any of your posts over the last couple of days.
The gymnastics you must be doing in your head. Just on the US Russia trying to achieve the same goal thing. You’ve become a parody.Thanks for proving my point
The gymnastics you must be doing in your head. Just on the US Russia trying to achieve the same goal thing. You’ve become a parody.
I will entertain you Tony:
Yes, Putin is a baddie for invading another country. Where have I ever said otherwise?
Ukraine is entitled to defend itself (this isn't in itself virtuous). Where have I ever said otherwise?
There’s only one country intent on destroying Ukraine and that’s Russia. For instance, they’ve just delivered Ukraine the unenvied accolade of being the most mined country in the world. On that single fact Russia is the baddie. The West (once Russia knows it’s already beaten) will have to assist in demining what Russia has done and that will fall mainly on charities and will take decades. For instance the Falklands was only just declared mine free in 2020 almost 40 years after the end of the conflict. I know you struggle with this but Argentina were the baddies in that one.The same outcome can be achieved through different goals, the USA's goal of keeping Russia occupied in war will equally contribute to the destruction of Ukraine as Russia's invasion in the first place.
It's the other actors involved isn't it?So Ukraine is entitled to defend itself but by defending itself it’s ensuring more of them die? Has anyone told them of the paradise they could be living otherwise?
Is it Russia or is it Putin? It's importantThere’s only one country intent on destroying Ukraine and that’s Russia. For instance, they’ve just delivered Ukraine the unenvied accolade of being the most mined country in the world. On that single fact Russia is the baddie. The West (once Russia knows it’s already beaten) will have to assist in demining what Russia has done and that will fall mainly on charities and will take decades. For instance the Falklands was only just declared mine free in 2020 almost 40 years after the end of the conflict. I know you struggle with this but Argentina were the baddies in that one.
It's the other actors involved isn't it?
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I know you struggle with this but Argentina were the baddies in that one.
Well, not really. Regardless of whether it received external support or not, if Ukraine continued to want to defend itself (and there’s nothing to suggest they’d have gone off the idea) then the same that is currently happening and likely will happen would have happened anyway.
Well, not really. Regardless of whether it received external support or not, if Ukraine continued to want to defend itself (and there’s nothing to suggest they’d have gone off the idea) then the same that is currently happening and likely will happen would have happened anyway.
Not really. Nazi Germany or Hitler?Is it Russia or is it Putin? It's important
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Not really. Nazi Germany or Hitler?
A very important distinction as the last nigh on 70 years demonstrateNot really. Nazi Germany or Hitler?
Why do you think that is?Russia's 3 day war is now a 3 year war
Why do you think that is?
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Sounds like desperation to me, a sabre rattling bluff. Have they even got the resources to fight until 2025 other than conscripts? In the last couple of weeks alone they’ve had to go cap in hand to North Korea for bullets, they had to suspend fuel exports this week in an attempt to avoid rationing in Russia, they’ve took a major hit to supply lines, they have a diminished ability to service equipment, they’re relying more and more on mothballed Cold War era equipment.Russia's 3 day war is now a 3 year war
Why do you think that is?
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It’s classic
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