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USSR invades Ukraine. (9 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 11, 2023
  • #6,861
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But then you have the argument that removing it gives Russia a chance to regroup and regain an initiative and we end up back where we started.
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They’ve admitted that’s exactly what they’d do. It’s an incredibly naive take even if it were true that Ukraine hadn’t retaken any ground. Which is obviously not true.

You either back them to the point where serious negotiations can happen or you embolden Russia. The idea the wests objectives have been met are silly. Need to finish the job.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 12, 2023
  • #6,862
Some big balls on these lads


 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 12, 2023
  • #6,863
This could have gone in about three OT threads:

 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #6,864
Sick Boy said:
Shouldn’t be an issue, our resident military expert told us that even plucky old Ireland could defeat Russia.
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Interesting stuff. Given that the UK and US are in NATO and that several NATO nations watch Russia with concern, it’s absolutely our business to align ourselves with Ukraine.

If Ukraine falls, then Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are next
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,865
Poland officially ending its support for Ukraine , describing them as a drowning person who will drag Poland down with them ..

Interesting, I wonder if more will follow
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,866
Evo1883 said:
Poland officially ending its support for Ukraine , describing them as a drowning person who will drag Poland down with them ..

Interesting, I wonder if more will follow
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Its because Ukraine want to export its grain and Poland doesn’t want it to. It’s nothing to do with the war directly.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,867
shmmeee said:
Its because Ukraine want to export its grain and Poland doesn’t want it to. It’s nothing to do with the war directly.
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,868
Evo1883 said:


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If anyone’s up for killing some Russians it’s Poland

I know you’re desperate for a Russia win here for some reason but you’ll have to wait.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,869
In all seriousness. Threatening to sue countries that were blocking your grain was a dumb PR move.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,870
shmmeee said:
If anyone’s up for killing some Russians it’s Poland

I know you’re desperate for a Russia win here for some reason but you’ll have to wait.
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Not desperate , just the inevitable


Not particularly arsed about either country
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,871
Meanwhile , my fuels gone up again
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,872
shmmeee said:
If anyone’s up for killing some Russians it’s Poland

I know you’re desperate for a Russia win here for some reason but you’ll have to wait.
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Historically they aren’t too keen on Ukraine either.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,873
Grendel said:
Historically they aren’t too keen on Ukraine either.
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Got an election coming too. It’ll probably die down, but Ukraine misstepped diplomatically.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,874
Evo1883 said:
Meanwhile , my fuels gone up again
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Not an oil market expert, but think it’s the Saudis playing silly buggers.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,875
shmmeee said:
Got an election coming too. It’ll probably die down, but Ukraine misstepped diplomatically.
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Well one election will determine how long this drags on - support their is declining

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia | CNN Politics

Most Americans oppose Congress authorizing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, as the public splits over whether the US has already done enough to assist Ukraine.
amp.cnn.com
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,876
Grendel said:
Well one election will determine how long this drags on - support their is declining

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia | CNN Politics

Most Americans oppose Congress authorizing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, as the public splits over whether the US has already done enough to assist Ukraine.
amp.cnn.com
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There’s too much support for kicking Russia on both sides of the aisle and Trump is senile so can’t see him managing a campaign.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,877
Grendel said:
Well one election will determine how long this drags on - support their is declining

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia | CNN Politics

Most Americans oppose Congress authorizing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, as the public splits over whether the US has already done enough to assist Ukraine.
amp.cnn.com
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Reading the article it’s a usual American Reps think X so Dems think Y situation. God I hope we never end up as polarised as them. Completely stunts all democratic legitimacy.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,878
It's not just the Poles - nearly all Ukraine's neighbours are very unhappy about them dumping cheap grains on the market. These countries have powerful agricultural interests as well as many small producers that create a lot of influence. Until the Black sea channels can be opened it's a big issue.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,879
shmmeee said:
Not an oil market expert, but think it’s the Saudis playing silly buggers.
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It is, OPEC have cut production a couple of times recently which has lead to the increase in oil price…greedy fuckers.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 21, 2023
  • #6,880
No sign that it’s going to be anything other than a stalemate. The infamous counter-offensive started, didn’t it?
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 22, 2023
  • #6,881
CCFCSteve said:
It is, OPEC have cut production a couple of times recently which has lead to the increase in oil price…greedy fuckers.
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It's pretty much the definition of a cartel.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 22, 2023
  • #6,882
Sick Boy said:
No sign that it’s going to be anything other than a stalemate.
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The USA likes this.
The EU likes this.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,883
Sick Boy said:
No sign that it’s going to be anything other than a stalemate. The infamous counter-offensive started, didn’t it?
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'The infamous counter-offensive'

What is this supposed to mean?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,884
PVA said:
'The infamous counter-offensive'

What is this supposed to mean?
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It’s a pretty simple question.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,885
Sick Boy said:
It’s a pretty simple question.
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I wasn't referring to the question.

Why is it 'infamous'?
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,886
PVA said:
I wasn't referring to the question.

Why is it 'infamous'?
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Dont you know what infamous means?
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,887
Grendel said:
Dont you know what infamous means?
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Yes, but it seems you and Sick Boy don't. Or you don't know what counter offensive means.

Or maybe it's both.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,888
PVA said:
Yes, but it seems you and Sick Boy don't. Or you don't know what counter offensive means.

Or maybe it's both.
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Do you detect some sarcasm in his post?
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,889
Grendel said:
Do you detect some sarcasm in his post?
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I think that he, and you, are suggesting the counter offensive is failing/has failed.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,890
PVA said:
I think that he, and you, are suggesting the counter offensive is failing/has failed.
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I have no idea - have they repelled the Russian forces back across the border?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,891
I did read an article from the BBC which was as ever the usual pro Ukraine narrative but for the first time within a lot of bluster the correspondent did finally acknowledge talks and diplomacy will be the only way this war will be resolved
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,892
Grendel said:
I have no idea - have they repelled the Russian forces back across the border?
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Sometimes it's quite difficult to tell whether you really do enjoy getting a kick of out being a contrarian, or if you're just genuinely really thick.

I think it's the former, but I do wonder sometimes.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,893
Grendel said:
I did read an article from the BBC which was as ever the usual pro Ukraine narrative but for the first time within a lot of bluster the correspondent did finally acknowledge talks and diplomacy will be the only way this war will be resolved
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With Russia agreeing to withdraw from the invaded territories and pay full reparations.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,894
PVA said:
Sometimes it's quite difficult to tell whether you really do enjoy getting a kick of out being a contrarian, or if you're just genuinely really thick.

I think it's the former, but I do wonder sometimes.
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I’m sorry that really is a lazy answer. Given you literally swallow Ukrainian and more importantly US propaganda at every turn in this ridiculous war you really need to look in the mirror

The US don’t want a “win” - they want a stalemate which in their ideology will last for a decade - if every Ukrainian dies in that decade it’s mission accomplished

Even you aren’t so stupid that you don’t see this as a fact
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #6,895
Grendel said:
I’m sorry that really is a lazy answer. Given you literally swallow Ukrainian and more importantly US propaganda at every turn in this ridiculous war you really need to look in the mirror

The US don’t want a “win” - they want a stalemate which in their ideology will last for a decade - if every Ukrainian dies in that decade it’s mission accomplished

Even you aren’t so stupid that you don’t see this as a fact
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It's not lazy.

You clearly don't understand what a counter-offensive is or how this one is going.

I'll ask again, do you think it is failing/has failed?
 
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