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USSR invades Ukraine. (14 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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Grendel

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,791
PVA said:
I know you don't, that's the problem.
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Well it’s hardly a problem it’s my opinion - it’s odd that you often mock the state of the Russian military yet believe they are capable of world dominance if they take over Ukraine
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,792
Grendel said:
I don’t see any logic to that statement
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I guess is rests on whether you believe post any coup Russia would just let the Ukrainians crack on or would have enacted the genocide they keep talking about and are enacting in occupied territories.
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,793
Grendel said:
Well it’s hardly a problem it’s my opinion - it’s odd that you often mock the state of the Russian military yet believe they are capable of world dominance if they take over Ukraine
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I have never said they are capable of world dominance, quite the opposite.

Doesn't mean that Ukraine should have just rolled over and invited Vlad in for a cuppa like you wanted them to.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,794
shmmeee said:
I guess is rests on whether you believe post any coup Russia would just let the Ukrainians crack on or would have enacted the genocide they keep talking about and are enacting in occupied territories.
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No it depends on if you believe Russia are remotely capable of taking any other country which they aren’t - a prolonged war suits the West so we will be visiting this thread for many years to come
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,795
PVA said:
I have never said they are capable of world dominance, quite the opposite.

Doesn't mean that Ukraine should have just rolled over and invited Vlad in for a cuppa like you wanted them to.
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Of course not Ukraine should resist as much as it can - why mention Hitler if it wasn’t a fear of greater dominance?
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,796
Grendel said:
No it depends on if you believe Russia are remotely capable of taking any other country which they aren’t - a prolonged war suits the West so we will be visiting this thread for many years to come
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So how many Ukrainians do you think would have lost their lives under your plan? How did you see it panning out?
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,797
shmmeee said:
So how many Ukrainians do you think would have lost their lives under your plan? How did you see it panning out?
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Without western intervention far less as they’d have capitulated
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,798
Grendel said:
Of course not Ukraine should resist as much as it can - why mention Hitler if it wasn’t a fear of greater dominance?
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Because whether it's one country or the entire world the point is the same.

You're saying countless lives would have been saved if Ukraine had capitulated, insinuating that is the better option.

Which means presumably you think allowing Germany to crack on in WW2 was the better option to save lives.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,799
PVA said:
Because whether it's one country or the entire world the point is the same.

You're saying countless lives would have been saved if Ukraine had capitulated, insinuating that is the better option.

Which means presumably you think allowing Germany to crack on in WW2 was the better option to save lives.
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Well no as again Russia aren’t capable of occupation of the whole of Europe - it’s of no danger to the wider world whatsoever
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,800
Grendel said:
Without western intervention far less as they’d have capitulated
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And then?
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,801
Anyway I’ll revisit this thread in a couple of years when I’m sure nothing will have changed
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,802
Grendel said:
Well no as again Russia aren’t capable of occupation of the whole of Europe - it’s of no danger to the wider world whatsoever
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So they're welcome to Ukraine then. That's what you're saying, whether you mean it or not.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,803
Grendel said:
Anyway I’ll revisit this thread in a couple of years when I’m sure nothing will have changed
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Not if we keep slow walking military aid certainly.
 
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duffer

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,804
Ashdown said:
You have to feel for the collateral though , like others have said, got to have been brave or stupid to travel with that man
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I take your point mate, which is that of a decent human being.

Given that it sounds like at least some of the others in the plane were Wagner too though, I'm more of the "fuck 'em and let them rot in hell" opinion.

The only thing that could've made it better was if the jet could've crashed on Putin. It's horrible to celebrate death, but my gut feel is that these particular guys deserve little better.
 
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duffer

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #6,805
And yes it does sound a bit careless doesn't it. If I was Prigozhin I'd have been living in a windowless bungalow, eating solely out of tins, avoiding door handles and suspicious underwear, and doing the school run in a tank (that someone else started for me).
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,806
duffer said:
And yes it does sound a bit careless doesn't it. If I was Prigozhin I'd have been living in a windowless bungalow, eating solely out of tins, avoiding door handles and suspicious underwear, and doing the school run in a tank (that someone else started for me).
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Yeah I said at the time he'd surely be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

But I guess Russia is so fucked up that maybe he genuinely believed whatever assurances Putin gave him? They seem to believe what they want to hear over there, rather than the actual truth.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,807
PVA said:
Yeah I said at the time he'd surely be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

But I guess Russia is so fucked up that maybe he genuinely believed whatever assurances Putin gave him? They seem to believe what they want to hear over there, rather than the actual truth.
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He tried coming back from the point of no return. Really if you're going to march on Moscow as part of some armed insurrection, you'll probably only get one go at it.
 
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Otis

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,808
duffer said:
And yes it does sound a bit careless doesn't it. If I was Prigozhin I'd have been living in a windowless bungalow, eating solely out of tins, avoiding door handles and suspicious underwear, and doing the school run in a tank (that someone else started for me).
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Mad isn't it. I was merely married to a Russian, but would still avoid walking past the London Palladium, because palladium sounded too close a word to polonium.

Prigozhin was either very stupid or very stubborn.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,809
Some masked men claiming to be Wagner mercenaries have released a video promising revenge. Perhaps not totally unexpected perhaps and who knows how many will get behind them but at the least Putin has probably promoted some domestic terrorism to some extent.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,810
The most depressing thing about Russia is it seems to be corrupt violent psychopaths all the way down. They could be such a great country if they had someone who could prioritise the population and interact with the world.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,811
shmmeee said:
The most depressing thing about Russia is it seems to be corrupt violent psychopaths all the way down. They could be such a great country if they had someone who could prioritise the population and interact with the world.
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Like Trump?
 
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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,812
shmmeee said:
The most depressing thing about Russia is it seems to be corrupt violent psychopaths all the way down. They could be such a great country if they had someone who could prioritise the population and interact with the world.
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Agreed. However, I think that is true of most countries. Psychopaths tend to be very effective at getting into positions of power. It's just that the history and institutions of different countries determine amount of power they can wield.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,813
Surely this is time for Wagner army to switch sides ?
 

Otis

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,814
Flying Fokker said:
Like Trump?
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I don't. Do you?
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,815
Otis said:
I don't. Do you?
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I was going to like your post but you may misinterpret it!
 
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Ashdown

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,816
Let’s just hope none of those mad bastards get their hands on any nuclear stuff in Belarus .
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,817
It's reported that Dmitry Utkin was onboard as well.

Good.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,818
shmmeee said:
The most depressing thing about Russia is it seems to be corrupt violent psychopaths all the way down. They could be such a great country if they had someone who could prioritise the population and interact with the world.
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It’s a possibility, mind you I’ve seen some of those videos of how they drive on the roads ….especially after 1/2 a bottle of vodka ……
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,819
Ashdown said:
It’s a possibility, mind you I’ve seen some of those videos of how they drive on the roads ….especially after 1/2 a bottle of vodka ……
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Ah if rednecks stopped you being a superpower the US would have no hope.
 
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Otis

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,820
I see Putin has called Prigozhin a talented businessman.

Ooh, cutting.
 

dutchman

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,821

Pentagon: No info to support missile strike theory for Prigozhin crash

The U.S. Department of Defense on Thursday said there was currently no information to suggest that a surface-to-air missile took down the plane presumed to be carrying Russian mercenary leader Yevgeny Prigozhin.
www.reuters.com
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 24, 2023
  • #6,822
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He tried coming back from the point of no return. Really if you're going to march on Moscow as part of some armed insurrection, you'll probably only get one go at it.
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If you shoot for the king, don't miss.

And certainly don't lower the gun after telling them you're going to shoot them.
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #6,823
Ukraine seem to have made some gains over the past few days and are around 30kms from Tokmak, which could be a key city to take. If not the key city.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Sep 5, 2023
  • #6,824

Reddit - Dive into anything

reddit.com
 

dutchman

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  • Sep 6, 2023
  • #6,825
Kizz said:
Can do a lot when you’re motivated, I guess they only really needed to adapt the technology I can’t imagine driving a tank is to much different to driving b tank.
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Still using them wrong I see:

Watch: First British Challenger 2 tank destroyed in Ukraine advance

Social media footage appears to show vehicle’s flaming wreckage on side of road but there may be hope of repair for the four-man tank
www.telegraph.co.uk

All the German Leopards have been destroyed too as far as I can tell.
 
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