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USSR invades Ukraine. (17 Viewers)

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Flying Fokker

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  • Jun 24, 2023
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Fysnkysc

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,512
Darth Robins said:

This is about the least surprising thing to happen so far
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I think this is the video of this event, seems there was a few military trucks but instead of them it hit a civilian bus.
 

covhead1

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,513
Titan implodes yesterday
Russia implodes today!
 

Darth Robins

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,514

Things actually seem to be gathering a bit of steam, I really didn't expect something like this to kick off this weekend!

I'm certainly no body language expert but every single video message I've seen from Putin and his underlings looked more like a hostage situation. They're absolutely bricking it.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,515
digging trenches outside of moscow
 

skyblueinBaku

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,516
David O'Day said:
digging trenches outside of moscow
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From where did you get this information, DO'D?
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,517
skyblueinBaku said:
From where did you get this information, DO'D?
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guardian live feed
 
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Darth Robins

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,518

Putin has already fled apparently. His plane disappeared from tracking on the way to St Petersburg.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,519
 

stay_up_skyblues

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,520
Wagner claiming to have captured Russian military HQ.

All sounds promising but isn’t this guy just as/more unhinged as old swollen face?
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,521
stay_up_skyblues said:
Wagner claiming to have captured Russian military HQ.

All sounds promising but isn’t this guy just as/more unhinged as old swollen face?
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the one is rostov?
 

RegTheDonk

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,522
So what's the end game here? Replacing one nutter with another?

Am I right in thinking if Prigozhin ends up in charge or a say in actual policy, won't he just want to do the job properly and won't hold back? Could this esculate further than Putin imagined?
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,523
RegTheDonk said:
So what's the end game here? Replacing one nutter with another?

Am I right in thinking if Prigozhin ends up in charge or a say in actual policy, won't he just want to do the job properly and won't hold back? Could this esculate further than Putin imagined?
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it's not about regime changes at the presidents level, it's the MoD he is after
 
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covhead1

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,524
David O'Day said:
it's not about regime changes at the presidents level, it's the MoD he is after
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Naahh he wants Putin's head and Putin knows it!
 

tisza

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,525
David O'Day said:
it's not about regime changes at the presidents level, it's the MoD he is after
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and firmly place himself as Putin's successor??
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,526
tisza said:
and firmly place himself as Putin's successor??
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he hasn't the political elite support for that
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,527
covhead1 said:
Naahh he wants Putin's head and Putin knows it!
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he's been very careful not to call out Putin
 

tisza

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,528
RegTheDonk said:
So what's the end game here? Replacing one nutter with another?

Am I right in thinking if Prigozhin ends up in charge or a say in actual policy, won't he just want to do the job properly and won't hold back? Could this esculate further than Putin imagined?
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Certainly a nutter. Wagner been accused of most of the more serious war crimes against civilian population and their track record as a mercenary group in certain African states is grim.
The fear for the Russian leadership is maybe how other "official" troops react - not fight them or even join with them. The official Army troops don't like the leadership, the conscription amongst other things.
Wagner can't take Moscow. They are sitting ducks in their convoys to Russian airforce. But leadership don't want to be seen to be killing a load of their own citizens even if they are calling it a mutiny
 
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tisza

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,529
David O'Day said:
he hasn't the political elite support for that
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That's why he's calling out the elite.The accusations of mismanagement, corruption etc aren't confined to the military leaders. It's unlikely he can position himself but he's been allowed almost complete freedom up until now to do what he pleases. Part of this has to be about the July 1st deadline - which would strip him of a lot of power and influence
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 24, 2023
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tisza said:
That's why he's calling out the elite.The accusations of mismanagement, corruption etc aren't confined to the military leaders.
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at the mod only and for not going hard enough in the war
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,531
Putin has fled Moscow apparently.

Chechens are on their way to clash with Wagner.


I said pretty much from day one that this invasion was a catastrophic mistake from Putin that would cripple Russia for decades and the army would collapse.

Looks like that time is now.

It's gone from a 3 day special military operation to resorting to bombing their own country to halt a coup.
 
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duffer

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,532
The key will be whether the regular Russian army is willing to die for Putin. If they either join with Wagner or just sit on their hands, it might be all over for Putin.

Otherwise you'd have to think Wagner is finished.

Either result could be good for Ukraine.

This was always Putin's war, his obsession. Prigozhin is an evil man without doubt, but his primary motivation appears to be money, and there's little to be gained in a prolonged war with Ukraine in that sense. He's already vigorously criticised the reasons for the Ukrainian war as being about other generals seeking glory rather than Ukraine and NATO threatening Russia.

If Putin wins, then he's lost one of the few effective arms of his military, and has his strongman image is somewhat dented.

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out, but hopefully they both lose!
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,533
duffer said:
The key will be whether the regular Russian army is willing to die for Putin. If they either join with Wagner or just sit on their hands, it might be all over for Putin.

Otherwise you'd have to think Wagner is finished.

Either result could be good for Ukraine.

This was always Putin's war, his obsession. Prigozhin is an evil man without doubt, but his primary motivation appears to be money, and there's little to be gained in a prolonged war with Ukraine in that sense. He's already vigorously criticised the reasons for the Ukrainian war as being about other generals seeking glory rather than Ukraine and NATO threatening Russia.

If Putin wins, then he's lost one of the few effective arms of his military, and has his strongman image is somewhat dented.

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out, but hopefully they both lose!
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There has been so fight from the state forces but the wagner group have got a long way so there must be a bit of the state forces that are not really fighting them
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,534
Uganda off the Christmas card list,

 
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tisza

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,535
David O'Day said:
at the mod only and for not going hard enough in the war
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He's also called out members of the elite for starting the war for their own benefit, for profiteering in the Donbas region since 2014 etc. The MOD is taking flak for their handling of the war but others are taking it for causing it to happen in the first place
 
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stay_up_skyblues

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,536
Can see this descending into a civil war. If so, awful for the Russian public, but would surely see an end to the Ukraine invasion. I hope to see Nuremberg like trials in the not too distant.
 

duffer

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,537
David O'Day said:
There has been so fight from the state forces but the wagner group have got a long way so there must be a bit of the state forces that are not really fighting them
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Funny in a way. Russia went into Ukraine, thinking they'd whip down the highway, take Kyiv, and replace the President in three days.

Turns out that the whole country was willing to fight and die to stop that happening.

Wagner, heading for Moscow, might well be there in two!
 

tisza

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,538
Flying Fokker said:
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Don't think Daddy's boy would be on the front line.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,539
tisza said:
He's also called out members of the elite for starting the war for their own benefit, for profiteering in the Donbas region since 2014 etc. The MOD is taking flak for their handling of the war but others are taking it for causing it to happen in the first place
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he's not going to be president
 
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napolimp

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,540
duffer said:
The key will be whether the regular Russian army is willing to die for Putin. If they either join with Wagner or just sit on their hands, it might be all over for Putin.

Otherwise you'd have to think Wagner is finished.

Either result could be good for Ukraine.

This was always Putin's war, his obsession. Prigozhin is an evil man without doubt, but his primary motivation appears to be money, and there's little to be gained in a prolonged war with Ukraine in that sense. He's already vigorously criticised the reasons for the Ukrainian war as being about other generals seeking glory rather than Ukraine and NATO threatening Russia.

If Putin wins, then he's lost one of the few effective arms of his military, and has his strongman image is somewhat dented.

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out, but hopefully they both lose!
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This sounds spot on to me. Doesn't seem as though there is any positive outcome possible from the point of view of the Russian government. Either a defeat for Wagner, or the Russian MOD, will just result in a seriously weakened Russian military, when their armed forces have already taken massive losses. I hope Ukraine has a tactically sound counter offensive plan they can act on immediately, and they need to hit hard.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,541
Whatever the end outcome surely this is just going to use up military focus, equipment and personnel…and will hopefully also lead to the brainwashed Russians to start questioning WTF is going on
 
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Fysnkysc

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  • Jun 24, 2023
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duffer said:
The key will be whether the regular Russian army is willing to die for Putin. If they either join with Wagner or just sit on their hands, it might be all over for Putin.

Otherwise you'd have to think Wagner is finished.

Either result could be good for Ukraine.

This was always Putin's war, his obsession. Prigozhin is an evil man without doubt, but his primary motivation appears to be money, and there's little to be gained in a prolonged war with Ukraine in that sense. He's already vigorously criticised the reasons for the Ukrainian war as being about other generals seeking glory rather than Ukraine and NATO threatening Russia.

If Putin wins, then he's lost one of the few effective arms of his military, and has his strongman image is somewhat dented.

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out, but hopefully they both lose!
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some have already switched sides
 

duffer

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  • Jun 24, 2023
  • #6,543
Otis said:
If it's not the M25, it's always the M4 isn't it.
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Never happen in this country, the M4 is a bollox once you get past Slough.

Last stand at Heston services might be the best we could hope for, probably wouldn't even get to the ULEZ.
 
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  • Jun 24, 2023
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I'm not sure this is a 'good' result. It either ends with a nutter having more power and influence, or Putin's grip being tightened.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2023
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Zelensky stayed in Ukraine even with death squads attempting to assassinate him. Putin flees at the first sign of trouble in Moscow.

Sums it all up quite well.
 
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