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  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #6,266
PVA said:
God you're fucking tedious. Google him if you're that desperate to find out about him.

It was a throwaway tweet about a Russian nut job. Quite why you want to spend your time forensically analysing his background is beyond me.
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So you just believe any source that adopts your good v bad narrative without question or research?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #6,267
fernandopartridge said:
I didn't say she wasn't?
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You also didn’t say she was. Someone had to bring balance to the discussion. You’re welcome.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #6,268
skybluetony176 said:
You also didn’t say she was. Someone had to bring balance to the discussion. You’re welcome.
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Do you understand balance Tony? Is that like voting UKIP to offset the threat of UKIP?
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #6,269
fernandopartridge said:
Do you understand balance Tony? Is that like voting UKIP to offset the threat of UKIP?
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You’re thinking of voting brexit to punish big corporations. How did that work out by the way? I’ll check my notes. You crashed the pound inflating big corporations overseas profits sending their share values through the roof. No, that didn’t work. Maybe you voted brexit to empower the hard left. How did that work out? I’ll check my notes again. It says brexit converted them to hard right smashing the red wall and giving Boris Johnson a record majority so he could fuck you over with your blessing.

You’re not to good at this balance thing yourself.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #6,270
fernandopartridge said:
Do you understand balance Tony? Is that like voting UKIP to offset the threat of UKIP?
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Tony attempting to patronise posters is as credible as the Mcanns giving a lecture on good child care
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #6,271
Don't feed the trolls
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #6,272
skybluetony176 said:
You’re thinking of voting brexit to punish big corporations. How did that work out by the way? I’ll check my notes. You crashed the pound inflating big corporations overseas profits sending their share values through the roof. No, that didn’t work. Maybe you voted brexit to empower the hard left. How did that work out? I’ll check my notes again. It says brexit converted them to hard right smashing the red wall and giving Boris Johnson a record majority so he could fuck you over with your blessing.

You’re not to good at this balance thing yourself.
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You really don't understand the argument
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2023
  • #6,273
fernandopartridge said:
You really don't understand the argument
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What argument are you talking about? All I did was fill in your gap that this woman is a nut job herself, which she is. You couldn’t counter that so went off on a tangent which given your own history of what you thought you were voting for against what it turned out to be and your “reasoning” for doing so in the first place is a glass house of an argument for you. What I said in both cases is factually correct.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2023
  • #6,274
If these tanks are as effective as believed to be this could be a game changer. Especially if Russia really is sending 1950’s era tanks to the front lines. It should be shooting fish in a barrel.

Ukraine war: Germany sends much-awaited Leopard tanks

The first 18 of the cutting-edge tanks are sent, amid reports UK Challenger 2s have also arrived.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2023
  • #6,275
skybluetony176 said:
If these tanks are as effective as believed to be this could be a game changer. Especially if Russia really is sending 1950’s era tanks to the front lines. It should be shooting fish in a barrel.

Ukraine war: Germany sends much-awaited Leopard tanks

The first 18 of the cutting-edge tanks are sent, amid reports UK Challenger 2s have also arrived.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Any tank is better than no tank, and those T55s can still cause damage if used properly. You'd imagine they'll be used as dug in defensive weapons.

But given Russia's tactics so far they'll probably send them out in assault, which will not end well. And yeah they got annihilated by modern tanks in Iraq.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2023
  • #6,276
What a fucked up country. Poor little girl.


 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 29, 2023
  • #6,277
PVA said:
What a fucked up country. Poor little girl.


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She shouldn’t have poked the bear.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #6,278

Dmitry Muratov: Nuclear warning from Russia's Nobel-winning journalist

Dmitry Muratov says Russian propaganda is preparing people to think nuclear war isn't a bad thing.
www.bbc.com
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #6,279
Sick Boy said:

Dmitry Muratov: Nuclear warning from Russia's Nobel-winning journalist

Dmitry Muratov says Russian propaganda is preparing people to think nuclear war isn't a bad thing.
www.bbc.com
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Well that's cheerful.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #6,280
Sick Boy said:

Dmitry Muratov: Nuclear warning from Russia's Nobel-winning journalist

Dmitry Muratov says Russian propaganda is preparing people to think nuclear war isn't a bad thing.
www.bbc.com
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Boomers all over the world causing utter fucking chaos really
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #6,281
fernandopartridge said:
Boomers all over the world causing utter fucking chaos really
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Boomer by name…Boomer by nature. And if I may say, STFU.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #6,282
Russia's border with NATO just doubled in size.

Another strategic masterstroke from Putin.


 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #6,283
PVA said:
Russia's border with NATO just doubled in size.

Another strategic masterstroke from Putin.


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The bear shouldn’t have poked…
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2023
  • #6,284
PVA said:
Russia's border with NATO just doubled in size.

Another strategic masterstroke from Putin.


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Similar to pre-2014 hardly any NATO forces in the "border" countries. Then a small increase. Since invasion significant increases in NATO troops and equipment in these areas and destined to stay for a long time
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 2, 2023
  • #6,285
tisza said:
Similar to pre-2014 hardly any NATO forces in the "border" countries. Then a small increase. Since invasion significant increases in NATO troops and equipment in these areas and destined to stay for a long time
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Undoubtedly will be used by the Russian propaganda machine. "We said NATO were looking to put more troops closer to our border. They have. NATO cannot be trusted. We can".

Same as they'll use the likes of Finland joining as NATO were always looking to expand.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2023
  • #6,286
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Undoubtedly will be used by the Russian propaganda machine. "We said NATO were looking to put more troops closer to our border. They have. NATO cannot be trusted. We can".

Same as they'll use the likes of Finland joining as NATO were always looking to expand.
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Someone should have told Finland not to bother as Putin clearly won’t invade any other non NATO members on his doorstep.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 6, 2023
  • #6,287
Another one for the 'invite Russia for a cup of tea' folk:


 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2023
  • #6,288
PVA said:
Another one for the 'invite Russia for a cup of tea' folk:


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Russian tea is very nice actually - many different varieties
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 6, 2023
  • #6,289
Grendel said:
Russian tea is very nice actually - many different varieties
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Especially those glow-in-the-dark varieties.
 

covhead1

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2023
  • #6,290
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Especially those glow-in-the-dark varieties.
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Hmm novichok, it's a Russian speciali-tea
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2023
  • #6,291
skybluetony176 said:
You’re thinking of voting brexit to punish big corporations. How did that work out by the way? I’ll check my notes. You crashed the pound inflating big corporations overseas profits sending their share values through the roof. No, that didn’t work. Maybe you voted brexit to empower the hard left. How did that work out? I’ll check my notes again. It says brexit converted them to hard right smashing the red wall and giving Boris Johnson a record majority so he could fuck you over with your blessing.

You’re not to good at this balance thing yourself.
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Have you got some notes ?
 
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Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2023
  • #6,292
A couple of weeks old but interesting article regarding masses of Russian tanks.

In my view:
1. There is of course the probability that Ukraine has just as many anti-tank weapons without putting their tanks in harms way.
2. The range/ effectiveness of the guns of ‘big tanks’ such as the Leopard may prove to be effective.
3. Russia is likely to use their tanks ‘dug in’ and used as artillery rather than field.

Make no mistake huge numbers of Russian tanks will terrorise Ukraine

There has been a general chortling in the commentariat over news that the Russians are now apparently transporting obsolete tanks to the Ukraine war zone.
www.express.co.uk
 
Last edited: Apr 8, 2023

Flying Fokker

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  • Apr 10, 2023
  • #6,293
Denmark
 

duffer

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  • Apr 11, 2023
  • #6,294
Flying Fokker said:
A couple of weeks old but interesting article regarding masses of Russian tanks.

In my view:
1. There is of course the probability that Ukraine has just as many anti-tank weapons without putting their tanks in harms way.
2. The range/ effectiveness of the guns of ‘big tanks’ such as the Leopard may prove to be effective.
3. Russia is likely to use their tanks ‘dug in’ and used as artillery rather than field.

Make no mistake huge numbers of Russian tanks will terrorise Ukraine

There has been a general chortling in the commentariat over news that the Russians are now apparently transporting obsolete tanks to the Ukraine war zone.
www.express.co.uk
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I did wonder about this idea of old tanks as artillery, turns out it's not a brilliant idea, but if you're scraping the bottom of the barrel it's a possible option. (TLDR: Nowhere near as good as proper artillery, but they will at least survive for a bit, unlike in combat against modern tanks!).

Russia’s Ancient T-55 Tanks Could Double As Artillery. But Not Very Good Artillery.

A T-55 is a poor substitute for a purpose-built howitzer, which might fire twice as far as the tank can do, more accurately, faster and for longer.
www.forbes.com
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 12, 2023
  • #6,295
Flying Fokker said:
A couple of weeks old but interesting article regarding masses of Russian tanks.

In my view:
1. There is of course the probability that Ukraine has just as many anti-tank weapons without putting their tanks in harms way.
2. The range/ effectiveness of the guns of ‘big tanks’ such as the Leopard may prove to be effective.
3. Russia is likely to use their tanks ‘dug in’ and used as artillery rather than field.

Make no mistake huge numbers of Russian tanks will terrorise Ukraine

There has been a general chortling in the commentariat over news that the Russians are now apparently transporting obsolete tanks to the Ukraine war zone.
www.express.co.uk
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Issue with the article is that frequently reported that Russia don't have the "bells and whistles" mentioned to upgrade these tanks or even repair damaged modern ones. The high Tec bits were made from parts from the likes of Germany and France. Sanctions cut that supply route.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 12, 2023
  • #6,296
Russians are now beheading Ukranian captives (on video).

Yet more reasons not to give them what they want.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Apr 12, 2023
  • #6,297
Fucking bastards. Yes you are right. Still out there. This Wagner group is not an army of strength. Wicked, just wicked. Putin and his Satanist West. Shoot to kill Russians but not resort to their enemies appalling actions. It just increases resolve to fight to the last man.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 12, 2023
  • #6,298
PVA said:
Russians are now beheading Ukranian captives (on video).

Yet more reasons not to give them what they want.
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Obviously want to ensure all Ukrainian soldiers fight to the death. No point surrendering if you’re just trying to avoid certain death by committing to certain death. Not sure the Russians have thought this through. Not sure the Russians have thought any of it through though.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 17, 2023
  • #6,299
Bloody hell.


"A Russian fighter jet fired a missile at a manned British surveillance aircraft flying over the Black Sea in September but the munition malfunctioned, according to U.S. defense officials and a recently leaked classified U.S. intelligence report. The incident was far more serious than originally portrayed and could have amounted to an act of war."


Miscommunication Nearly Led to Russian Jet Shooting Down British Spy Plane, U.S. Officials Say (Published 2023)

Recently leaked intelligence documents called the incident, last year, a near shoot down. Officials said it was more serious than originally reported.
www.nytimes.com
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 17, 2023
  • #6,300
This is why there’s no point engaging in piece talks with Russian. They’ll ultimately mean nothing

Vladimir Kara-Murza: Russian opposition figure jailed for 25 years

Vladimir Kara-Murza says the harsh sentence shows he is "doing everything right".
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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