It wasn't that long ago that Russia said Ukraine was sovereign. Now they don't. Just because they haven't gone down that route of denying a country's legitimacy yet doesn't mean they won't revise that opinion in the future. But I guess someone like you is all up for revisionism.No but its what Russia thinks and the provocation is clearly the suggestion of further NATO movement to the Russian border in addition to the bonkers comment by Von De Lyon or whatever she is called that EU membership would be considered. Neither of these suggestions were ever going to be tolerated by the Kremlin
And you can argue Russia is a threat from a western perspective.
It's the line they're touting to convince the Russian people that what they're doing is justified and not some barbaric land grab. Doesn't make it in any way true.
Just like Brexit was full of stuff that riled people up to leave even though it wasn't reality. Only if you told them that you were suddenly a traitor and hated the country.
This is a thread where someone has attempted to blame Ukraine for provoking Russia into invading it. You tell me who's madComparing the Russian invasion to brexit is just living proof of how mad this off topic chat has got recently.
As has been told to the losing side many times, there were a lot of legitimate concerns people had about the EU, and those people were laughed at, called names, and told their opinions didn't matter. It's a massive part of the reason why you lost.
This is a thread where someone has attempted to blame Ukraine for provoking Russia into invading it. You tell me who's mad
Who provoked Russia then?Not exactly what I said but hey ho
This is a thread where someone has attempted to blame Ukraine for provoking Russia into invading it. You tell me who's mad
Correct answerI know, but that's nothing to do with me. Frankly whatever you think of the regime in Ukraine, millions of innocent people face their lives ruined or taken due to Russia, and as far as I'm concerned there's no excuse or justification for it.
I was merely pointing out the similarity in the tactics.Comparing the Russian invasion to brexit is just living proof of how mad this off topic chat has got recently.
As has been told to the losing side many times, there were a lot of legitimate concerns people had about the EU, and those people were laughed at, called names, and told their opinions didn't matter. It's a massive part of the reason why you lost.
That’s a relief. This terrible war hasI was merely pointing out the similarity in the tactics.
This is a totally different topic and don't want to hijack this one with it but there were, and are, legitimate concerns about the EU (which even many on here that favoured remain said as well). We just also saw that there were many advantages to it as well, and that overall this outweighed the concerns. Plus the U.K. had a better chance of bringing about reform as a member rather than not being.
Back to this topic, there are legitimate concerns about Russia, which a certain poster seems to be totalling dismissing.
Heartwarming
Hard to see as much more than PR when it offers bullet points rather than possible solutions.China calling for peace talks.
The sovereignty of all countries is respected
• Abandoning the Cold War mentality
• Ceasing hostilities
• Resuming peace talks
• Resolving the humanitarian crisis
• Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (PoWs)
• Keeping nuclear power plants safe
• Reducing strategic risks
• Facilitating grain exports
• Stopping unilateral sanctions
• Keeping industrial and supply chains stable
• Promoting post-conflict reconstruction
Immediate points all favour Russia - cessation of hostilities allows Russia to retool, reset defensive positions etc. Sanctions removal again benefits Russia. China one of the major beneficiaries of sanctions with cheap oil.Maybe they just don't want to back the wrong horse.
Immediate points all favour Russia - cessation of hostilities allows Russia to retool, reset defensive positions etc. Sanctions removal again benefits Russia. China one of the major beneficiaries of sanctions with cheap oil.
China going to back China until an "obvious" winner emerges
Maybe they just don't want to back the wrong horse.
Yeah I meant instead of sending weapons to Russia like was being rumoured earlier in the week
Oh yeah they’ll freely admit they are doing that
Oh yeah they’ll freely admit they are doing that
This is exactly why Ukraine shouldn't, and don't want to, sit down for peace talks
But the Russians just want to be friends apparently so they should let them walk straight in.This is exactly why Ukraine shouldn't, and don't want to, sit down for peace talks
May try and circumvent this by announcing an arms deal with Belarus instead - seeing as Lukashenko is visiting Beijing atm. Timing of supposed Belarus partisan attack on Russian plane is convenient for some.Yeah I meant instead of sending weapons to Russia like was being rumoured earlier in the week
Also why Russia may not be keen on peace talks? These aren't isolated incidents. Peace talks would also accelerate the war crimes investigations.This is exactly why Ukraine shouldn't, and don't want to, sit down for peace talks
Supposing China tells them to back off? Once they have nuclear arms it may be a different situation.May try and circumvent this by announcing an arms deal with Belarus instead - seeing as Lukashenko is visiting Beijing atm. Timing of supposed Belarus partisan attack on Russian plane is convenient for some.
It's a historically brutal authoritarian regime propped up by Russia. Was under all sorts of sanctions even before the Ukraine war started.Belarusian opposition claiming responsibility for the attack on a Russian early warning plane parked in Belarus airbase. Claim to have been assisted by Belarusian military staff. Can see there being a civil war in Belarus yet, especially if the military is split.
If there is Russia will get involved, but as usual claim they're not. They won't be willing to lose such a puppet regime.Belarusian opposition claiming responsibility for the attack on a Russian early warning plane parked in Belarus airbase. Claim to have been assisted by Belarusian military staff. Can see there being a civil war in Belarus yet, especially if the military is split.
If there is Russia will get involved, but as usual claim they're not. They won't be willing to lose such a puppet regime.
The would be interesting.Do they have the resource to fight on 2 fronts? Is this why it’s happening now?
Do they have the resource to fight on 2 fronts? Is this why it’s happening now?
Something happening in Bryansk - inside Russia.
Claims that Ukrainian saboteurs have entered a town or village and taken some hostages.
It’s either a false flag by Russia, or some Ukranians gone rogue.
Either way Putin has labelled it a ‘terrorist act’ (the fucking brass neck on him). So expect an escalation of attacks on public infrastructure from Russia over the coming days.
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