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USSR invades Ukraine. (15 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Flying Fokker

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,636
I started taking notes but gave up.



Nato was arming Nuclear weapons.

Nato behaviors of shame in previous conflicts.

we are being deceived. Total unprincipled lies (of the west). Russia was open to debate.

Expansion of NATO/ Defence systems throughout Europe. US. bases around world. Increase in their weaponry.

dec 21. russia asked for guarantees of security but they were rejected.

Usend force to stop attacks on Donbas. Russia also protect crimea against infinite power of the west.

West released the genie from the bottle. US starts wars. Ppeoples tragedy is not important to them, they are trying to rape countries to divert from their own socio economic problems. Like 1930’s.

There is nothing new in what is happening.

One Ukraine unit has Nazi insignia and whermacht insignia. Yet it is ignored because they want to fight Russia.

in 1930s the idea if agression to the east is being repeated. Ukrainian people are hostages to the west. The turn these people into canon fodder. Ukranian is a training ground. One thing is clear, we will need to remover the threat further away.

they want a local conflict to a global conflict. It is impossible to defeat Russia on the battlefield. They use other methods.

anti Gay comments/ Anglican Church. Spiritual destruction.
our duty to protect our children from degradation. They will be using out traitors attempting terrorist attacks to destabilize our society. We will not hunt those who betray motherland. Multicultural principled stance of majority of our citizens.


thanking all who are involved in the conflict.

>………………blah, blah, blah.

Russia is true to its word and supports other nations. The people of Russia cannot be shaken and will not stap away from helping ppl.

elections in23/4 will be lawful. Russia has a right to be strong. Front line volunteers and others are patriots.

Most important things is to stimulate society. Culture, belonging, teachers , scientists, scholars should learn about our history. New horizons are open. Military action cannot be replaced by anything else. We have to focus on critical results for our future development. We need scientific creativity /innovation for future growth.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,637
A few in here agree with this parody


 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,638
Grendel said:
He it seems earns £12,000 a year as president but oddly his net worth was reported at £500 million. Then hastily lots of denials were issued when the war started and it was downgraded to £20 million

I assume the cayman island accounts were hushed away somewhere
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This war looks to be making him a very rich man too.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,639
Nick said:
This war looks to be making him a very rich man too.
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I’m sure Netflix will be signing him up soon
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,640
The west /NATO want to inspect our nuclear facilities. They are declining our invitations. NATO says it wants to strategically defeat Russia. NATO has attempted to become a member of strategic weapon control. The west develops weapons. The statements from the west proves this. Mutual trust agreement 1991. It worked positively until the US reviewed ‘destroyed basics of world security/ order through war around the world. After collapse of Soviet Union, there are new centers of influence.

us started to struv ]cture according to own needs. The US aims to defeat Russia. We no longer comply with the 1991 agreement / it is on hold. We need to understand what France/ UK has in terms of nuclear weapons. We know that many of their weapons are aging.

Russia needs to be ready to reply to any nuclear action. NOT INITIATE IT.

We have fighters from all areas of Russia, all fighting for ml. PEOPLE GOING TO THE FRONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE FIGHTING.

russia will respond to any challenges. We are confident. Truth is with us…
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,641
Nick said:
This war looks to be making him a very rich man too.
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Does it?

He is a very rich man, mostly because of his stake in a television company.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,642
In amongst stuff about Nazis, western masters and nuclear weapons...



 

tisza

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,643
Flying Fokker said:
We have fighters from all areas of Russia, all fighting for ml. PEOPLE GOING TO THE FRONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE FIGHTING.
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That's why so many fled the country and they've put exit controls on their borders.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,644
tisza said:
That's why so many fled the country and they've put exit controls on their borders.
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,645
PVA said:
A few in here agree with this parody



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You agree with this one

 
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PVA

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,646
fernandopartridge said:
You agree with this one
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Yup I do
 
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duffer

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,647
fernandopartridge said:
You agree with this one

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Liz Truss is a complete twat, FP, I think we can all agree on that.

What I'm confused about though is where you're coming from on Ukraine.

There are two choices here, support them, or let Russia take over the entire country. What would you do?
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,648
duffer said:
Liz Truss is a complete twat, FP, I think we can all agree on that.

What I'm confused about though is where you're coming from on Ukraine.

There are two choices here, support them, or let Russia take over the entire country. What would you do?
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Yes she absolutely is, but that doesn't mean she isn't right on this.

FP and Grendel are quite clear that their preference is for the latter.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,649
duffer said:
Liz Truss is a complete twat, FP, I think we can all agree on that.

What I'm confused about though is where you're coming from on Ukraine.

There are two choices here, support them, or let Russia take over the entire country. What would you do?
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It feels like a fanciful idea that a few fighter jets wins the war and that's that. Where are they going?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,650
PVA said:
Yes she absolutely is, but that doesn't mean she isn't right on this.

FP and Grendel are quite clear that their preference is for the latter.
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Why do you think she's saying it?
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,651
fernandopartridge said:
Why do you think she's saying it?
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For a laugh. Because she had a dream about it. To wind up this forum. Because she has a stake in a defence company. Who knows.

I don't really care what her reason is for saying it, maybe she's saying it for a completely different reason to me, but the end result is she's still right.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,652
fernandopartridge said:
Why do you think she's saying it?
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Because Boris does as well?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,653
fernandopartridge said:
It feels like a fanciful idea that a few fighter jets wins the war and that's that. Where are they going?
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Whose flying them?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,654
duffer said:
Liz Truss is a complete twat, FP, I think we can all agree on that.

What I'm confused about though is where you're coming from on Ukraine.

There are two choices here, support them, or let Russia take over the entire country. What would you do?
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There is a third option of course
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,655
Grendel said:
Whose flying them?
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The pilot hopefully.
 

duffer

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #5,656
fernandopartridge said:
It feels like a fanciful idea that a few fighter jets wins the war and that's that. Where are they going?
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That's not really what I'm asking mate. In your opinion should we support Ukraine against the Russians or not?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,657
Grendel said:
There is a third option of course
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Is this your idea of Ukraine agreeing to hand over more of its own territory in exchange for Putin promising to leave the rest?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,658
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Is this your idea of Ukraine agreeing to hand over more of its own territory in exchange for Putin promising to leave the rest?
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It sounds a bit like the north of Ireland to me.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,659
Sick Boy said:
It sounds a bit like the north of Ireland to me.
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Not really.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,660
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Is this your idea of Ukraine agreeing to hand over more of its own territory in exchange for Putin promising to leave the rest?
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Are you trying to suggest that a bloke who agreed humanitarian corridors for civilians to escape only to shell said corridors isn't very trustworthy?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,661
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not really.
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It worked for the British putting settlers there - how’s that different to what Russia has been doing?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,662
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not really.
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It is in some ways. The British essentially agreed to leave “Ireland” on the basis that the provenance of Ulster (well, most of it anyway) remained as part of the UK leaving the rest of the island of Ireland to be a free state. It’s not often referred to as the free state anymore but it’s a term I heard regularly as a kid when in Fermanagh, the term was dropped largely after the GFA and the British Army checks stopped on the North side of the border. So there are parallels.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,663
Sick Boy said:
It worked for the British putting settlers there - how’s that different to what Russia has been doing?
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The majority of Protestants in Northern Ireland refer to themselves as Ulster Scots. My gran always did, she even had a Scottish maiden name.
 

Nuskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,664
What England did in Ireland is umm yea. I am amazed it isn't taught in school here tbh.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,665
Nuskyblue said:
What England did in Ireland is umm yea. I am amazed it isn't taught in school here tbh.
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Wow I’m not.
germany still teach their mistakes and how to avoid those same mistakes
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,666
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Is this your idea of Ukraine agreeing to hand over more of its own territory in exchange for Putin promising to leave the rest?
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Well if you think Mr Putin is going to retreat day sorry and give up that seems far more fanciful to me

There is also the notion that if Putin goes some cuddly Gorbachev figure will turn up. Given he is less popular in Russia than Liz Truss here that’s not happening either. In fact Labarov and the old guard are properly itching to go down in a blaze of glory - literally
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,667
Sky Blue Pete said:
Wow I’m not.
germany still teach their mistakes and how to avoid those same mistakes
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I did Irish history in my a level history course but
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,668
Sick Boy said:
It worked for the British putting settlers there - how’s that different to what Russia has been doing?
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Another relevant and relatively recent example is Cyprus
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,669
duffer said:
That's not really what I'm asking mate. In your opinion should we support Ukraine against the Russians or not?
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In what sense?
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #5,670
fernandopartridge said:
In what sense?
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In the sense of providing weapons and ammunition to enable Ukraine to defend itself.

I'm trying to understand your point of view, but it's hard to gauge your argument from the odd pithy remark. Why not explain where you're coming from?
 
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