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USSR invades Ukraine. (15 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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PVA

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,461
He'd probably have gone for Moldova if they had steamrollered through Ukraine like they expected they would.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,462
Grendel said:
They already are in Moldova
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I mean taking it over. Same as Georgia
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,463
How rich is the Ukranian president now?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,464
fernandopartridge said:
Look at this, disgusting

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I now see Italian TV in a new (less shite) light.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,465
When Zelensky says that they’d refuse peace negotiations while Russia is in Ukraine territory, does this include Crimea?
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,466
Sick Boy said:
When Zelensky says that they’d refuse peace negotiations while Russia is in Ukraine territory, does this include Crimea?
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Yes I think so. They want Russia out of Crimea and they aim to take it back.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,467
PVA said:
Yes I think so. They want Russia out of Crimea and they aim to take it back.
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He’ll get leaned on by the west to change that then, IMO.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,468
Sick Boy said:
He’ll get leaned on by the west to change that then, IMO.
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The parameters the west deem acceptable to its own interests for any support should have been made clear at the beginning
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,469
Nick said:
How rich is the Ukranian president now?
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He it seems earns £12,000 a year as president but oddly his net worth was reported at £500 million. Then hastily lots of denials were issued when the war started and it was downgraded to £20 million

I assume the cayman island accounts were hushed away somewhere
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,470
Sick Boy said:
He’ll get leaned on by the west to change that then, IMO.
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The US has been clear that ceding Crimea as part of any negotiations is not an option.

That may change of course, but that's their stance at the moment anyway.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,471
Grendel said:
He it seems earns £12,000 a year as president but oddly his net worth was reported at £500 million. Then hastily lots of denials were issued when the war started and it was downgraded to £20 million

I assume the cayman island accounts were hushed away somewhere
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,472
PVA said:
The US has been clear that ceding Crimea as part of any negotiations is not an option.

That may change of course, but that's their stance at the moment anyway.
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But why now when it was annexed 8 years ago? It's almost as if the Americans want ongoing conflict
 

tisza

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,473
Sick Boy said:
When Zelensky says that they’d refuse peace negotiations while Russia is in Ukraine territory, does this include Crimea?
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Ultimately don't think so. Russia will fight much harder (and longer,) for Crimea. Don't think the external support for Ukraine will stomach a protracted fight over Crimea.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,474
fernandopartridge said:
But why now when it was annexed 8 years ago? It's almost as if the Americans want ongoing conflict
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If you believe what's being said about who was behind the Nordstream 2 sabotage then it adds a bit more weight to that theory as well.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,475
fernandopartridge said:
But why now when it was annexed 8 years ago? It's almost as if the Americans want ongoing conflict
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Because it was illegally annexed.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,476
shmmeee said:
Because it was illegally annexed.
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I’d be surprised if they’d be no leaning on them if there was a genuine chance for peace - having that as a red line means it’ll go on for years yet….if the west continues to fund it.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,477
Sick Boy said:
I’d be surprised if they’d be no leaning on them if there was a genuine chance for peace - having that as a red line means it’ll go on for years yet….if the west continues to fund it.
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Lets get Russia out of the rest of the country and then see. TBH I think Crimea would fall pretty quick if they managed that. Just destroy the bridge and it’s not really possible to supply it.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 17, 2023
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tisza

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,479
fernandopartridge said:
But why now when it was annexed 8 years ago? It's almost as if the Americans want ongoing conflict
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Key to all of this is what security guarantees Ukraine can get to end the conflict.
Crimea is a major threat as that is where much of the Russian war materials are being brought in from.
If NATO membership is a red line for Russia what can be put in place to protect Ukraine in the future? Ukraine obviously unable to fund its own defence for the foreseeable future due to massive cost of rebuilding the country.
It's possible the backdoor is Ukrainian EU membership with the subsequent protection of the EU army that many states seem to be pushing for but that is in the mid-term not short-term future
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,480
PVA said:
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Unlikely to be "willingly" demilitarised Sevastopol too important to Russian Navy
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,481
shmmeee said:
Because it was illegally annexed.
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I think his point is no one gave a fuck?
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,482
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Grendel said:
I think his point is no one gave a fuck?
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No one gave much of a fuck when Hitler annexed Austria either.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,483
PVA said:
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so what?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,484
shmmeee said:
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No one gave much of a fuck when Hitler annexed Austria either.
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You honestly see a comparison?
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,485
Grendel said:
I think his point is no one gave a fuck?
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Ukraine were not in a position to be fight back then. So unless you wanted the US to declare war on Russia I'm not sure what else you expected them to do?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,486
PVA said:
Ukraine were not in a position to be fight back then. So unless you wanted the US to declare war on Russia I'm not sure what else you expected them to do?
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Ukraine aren’t able to fight back now with out a significant waste of nato milatary hardware and resources

i expect a non nato country to deal with its own mess unless the nato alliance get something back

I’m not seeing much reward from a cost benefit perspective
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,487
Grendel said:
You honestly see a comparison?
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Do I see a comparison between international reactions to illegal annexation then being changed after the annexing party goes further? Yes, yes I do.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,488
Grendel said:
Ukraine aren’t able to fight back now with out a significant waste of nato milatary hardware and resources

i expect a non nato country to deal with its own mess unless the nato alliance get something back

I’m not seeing much reward from a cost benefit perspective
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The US would massively disagree with you. They are seeing an incredible return for very little investment.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,489
shmmeee said:
Do I see a comparison between international reactions to illegal annexation then being changed after the annexing party goes further? Yes, yes I do.
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So you think Putin will mobilise his army and start marching through the EU and turn it into the next USSR?

Well it’s a theory I suppose
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,490
PVA said:
The US would massively disagree with you. They are seeing an incredible return for very little investment.
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Are they? Well of course it’s in the US interest for this war to go on for a decade isn’t it?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,491
Grendel said:
So you think Putin will mobilise his army and start marching through the EU and turn it into the next USSR?

Well it’s a theory I suppose
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Genuinely not sure if you have reading comprehension issues or are just a terrible troll. Either way it’s boring.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,492
Grendel said:
Are they? Well of course it’s in the US interest for this war to go on for a decade isn’t it?
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Yes they are, it's extremely obvious.

It's in their interests to significantly weaken Russia as much as possible without having to declare war on them.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,493
shmmeee said:
Genuinely not sure if you have reading comprehension issues or are just a terrible troll. Either way it’s boring.
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Someone suggesting Hitler and Putin have similar ideology, aims and are as much of a threat are the ones trolling not me - I don’t see a threat I see collateral damage as unfortunate but an acceptable and inevitable fact regarding Ukraine and Russia
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,494
PVA said:
Yes they are, it's extremely obvious.

It's in their interests to significantly weaken Russia as much as possible without having to declare war on them.
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So it carries on for 10 years with more death torture and destruction

Nice

They will never declare war on them
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 17, 2023
  • #5,495
Grendel said:
Someone suggesting Hitler and Putin have similar ideology, aims and are as much of a threat are the ones trolling not me - I don’t see a threat I see collateral damage as unfortunate but an acceptable and inevitable fact regarding Ukraine and Russia
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Got you, it’s reading comprehension issues. Good luck with that.
 
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