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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 22, 2022
  • #5,251
shmmeee said:
Arms dealers and people who will rebuild probably, same as any war. Politically obviously the West. None of this is a secret or a reason not to support Ukraine.
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I’d rather we’re selling arms to Ukraine than Saudi Arabia.
 
Last edited: Dec 22, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Dec 22, 2022
  • #5,252
shmmeee said:
Arms dealers and people who will rebuild probably, same as any war. Politically obviously the West. None of this is a secret or a reason not to support Ukraine.
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Can't remember where I posted that I didn't support Ukraine.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 23, 2022
  • #5,253
An interesting window into life over in Ukraine.

 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 23, 2022
  • #5,254
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Can't remember where I posted that I didn't support Ukraine.
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Can’t remember where I said you didn’t. I meant it’s not a reason for a country not to support Ukraine.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 23, 2022
  • #5,255
100k Russians dead. Unbelievable numbers. All because of one fucking madman.


 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 27, 2022
  • #5,256
These Russian oligarchs aren’t half unlucky

Russian sausage tycoon Pavel Antov dies in Indian hotel fall

Meat millionaire Pavel Antov, who recently denied criticising the war in Ukraine, had just turned 65.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Dec 27, 2022
  • #5,257
skybluetony176 said:
These Russian oligarchs aren’t half unlucky

Russian sausage tycoon Pavel Antov dies in Indian hotel fall

Meat millionaire Pavel Antov, who recently denied criticising the war in Ukraine, had just turned 65.
www.bbc.co.uk
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They really ought to stick to bungalows and ground floor flats.
 
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Mcbean

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  • Jan 5, 2023
  • #5,258
Excellent program last night on the beeb about the small groups of Soldiers in Ukraine on the front line - it was shot I guess just before they made it into Kherson as that was right at the end - people who were teachers architects before made into tactical groups of fighters. Really shows the new drone warfare techniques - some a bit more miss than hit with the older mortar technology
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 15, 2023
  • #5,259
So this is Russia.

 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 15, 2023
  • #5,260
Was in The Herbert today and they’ve got a letter from the women of Volgograd to the women of Coventry in their about how proud they are that their husbands are off fighting fascists…

Took on a whole different tone with current events but also obvious how easy it would be to play on that pride for nefarious reasons.
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 15, 2023
  • #5,261
shmmeee said:
Was in The Herbert today and they’ve got a letter from the women of Volgograd to the women of Coventry in their about how proud they are that their husbands are off fighting fascists…

Took on a whole different tone with current events but also obvious how easy it would be to play on that pride for nefarious reasons.
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My soon to be ex-wife is from Volgograd.

Isn't that letter an old letter though about Russia fighting off fascists in WWII?

I know there was a letter, because my wife was a translator when a party came over to visit Coventry a few years back .
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 15, 2023
  • #5,262
Otis said:
My soon to be ex-wife is from Volgograd.

Isn't that letter an old letter though about Russia fighting off fascists in WWII?

I know there was a letter, because my wife was a translator when a party came over to visit Coventry a few years back .
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I think that's the point he's making - it relates to WWII but could so easily be have been written today.

In a way it's depressing that these things just seem to go on endlessly and we just let the next bunch of egotistical maniacs ruin peoples lives just because they're deluded into thinking they're special. Even sadder still that there will be always be people that fall for it despite all the warnings of history.
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 15, 2023
  • #5,263
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think that's the point he's making - it relates to WWII but could so easily be have been written today.

In a way it's depressing that these things just seem to go on endlessly and we just let the next bunch of egotistical maniacs ruin peoples lives just because they're deluded into thinking they're special. Even sadder still that there will be always be people that fall for it despite all the warnings of history.
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Ah yes. I just picked up on the "ARE fighting off fascists," and thought Shmmeee was talking in current terms.

I read it three times and couldn't get my head around it.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 15, 2023
  • #5,264
Otis said:
My soon to be ex-wife is from Volgograd.

Isn't that letter an old letter though about Russia fighting off fascists in WWII?

I know there was a letter, because my wife was a translator when a party came over to visit Coventry a few years back .
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Yeah it was from WW2. It’s got the original Russian and a translation. In the peace and reconciliation exhibit.
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 16, 2023
  • #5,265
shmmeee said:
Yeah it was from WW2. It’s got the original Russian and a translation. In the peace and reconciliation exhibit.
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Yeah, I do know about it. You would be surprised just how many Russians from Volgograd there are here in Coventry.

Since my ex came over in 2002, she must have met at least 35 plus.

It is a huge region of Russia though.
 

tisza

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  • Jan 16, 2023
  • #5,266
Otis said:
Yeah, I do know about it. You would be surprised just how many Russians from Volgograd there are here in Coventry.

Since my ex came over in 2002, she must have met at least 35 plus.

It is a huge region of Russia though.
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Officially Coventry and volvograd were twin cities. Council cancelled it last year because of Ukraine.
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 16, 2023
  • #5,267
tisza said:
Officially Coventry and volvograd were twin cities. Council cancelled it last year because of Ukraine.
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Yes, exactly. I think they have removed the signs for Volgograd place too.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 18, 2023
  • #5,268
So, not only do the Russians think America is satan

U.S. policy like Hitler's 'Final Solution': Russia

STORY: Lavrov, who caused an international furore last year with remarks about Hitler, also said Washington was using the same tactic as Napoleon and the Nazis in trying to subjugate Europe in order to destroy Russia.The 'Final Solution' was Hitler's Holocaust blueprint, which led to the...
uk.yahoo.com
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 18, 2023
  • #5,269

Vladimir Putin makes ominous threat as he vows to 'end' Ukraine war

Vladimir Putin has pledged to bring the conflict in Ukraine to an end with an "inevitable" Russian victory as he looked to rally troops in St Petersburgh on Wednesday.
www.express.co.uk
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 18, 2023
  • #5,270
Another few hundred thousand drunks and criminals for the meat grinder
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 18, 2023
  • #5,271
Flying Fokker said:
So, not only do the Russians think America is satan

U.S. policy like Hitler's 'Final Solution': Russia

STORY: Lavrov, who caused an international furore last year with remarks about Hitler, also said Washington was using the same tactic as Napoleon and the Nazis in trying to subjugate Europe in order to destroy Russia.The 'Final Solution' was Hitler's Holocaust blueprint, which led to the...
uk.yahoo.com
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Irony being that many of Putin's actions echo Hitler's to a large degree.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 19, 2023
  • #5,272
PVA said:
Another few hundred thousand drunks and criminals for the meat grinder
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it’s the weight of numbers that is going to be the challenge. I’m hoping it’s for defense. My guess they will come in from north of Kyiv and go straight for the jugular.
 

SBAndy

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  • Jan 19, 2023
  • #5,273
Flying Fokker said:
it’s the weight of numbers that is going to be the challenge. I’m hoping it’s for defense. My guess they will come in from north of Kyiv and go straight for the jugular.
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Didn’t they try that once already? And that was with proper soldiers that had trained for that particular exercise.
 
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tisza

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  • Jan 19, 2023
  • #5,274
Flying Fokker said:
it’s the weight of numbers that is going to be the challenge. I’m hoping it’s for defense. My guess they will come in from north of Kyiv and go straight for the jugular.
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Possibly go more towards lviv and isolate Kiev from the west. Disrupt supplies from Poland etc.
It is just weight of numbers. Also possibly trying to draw Ukrainian resources from the South which are being held there for a push towards Kreminna and Melitipol.
Troops already there are ill equipped. So Russia going to have to commit whatever resources they've been holding back. Shit or bust?
Said it (back in the spring) still not easy to move numbers from the North due to the marshy terrain limiting routes. Ukraine has been building defenses around these routes since the last attempt failed.not easy to move large numbers of troops that way.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 19, 2023
  • #5,275
Flying Fokker said:
it’s the weight of numbers that is going to be the challenge. I’m hoping it’s for defense. My guess they will come in from north of Kyiv and go straight for the jugular.
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But the issue is they don't have enough (decent) weapons, ammo, food, logistics, clothes, supplies etc etc for the soldiers they have at the moment

They won't be able to feed and clothe another 500k
 
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tisza

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  • Jan 19, 2023
  • #5,276
PVA said:
But the issue is they don't have enough (decent) weapons, ammo, food, logistics, clothes, supplies etc etc for the soldiers they have at the moment

They won't be able to feed and clothe another 500k
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Literally cannon fodder. Old soviet doctrine. The reported casualty rate for those prisoners recruited by Wagner is over 70%.
But it does "serve" to force Ukraine to move troops from areas where they were doing well or hoping to advance.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,277
A lost nation?

 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,278
tisza said:
Literally cannon fodder. Old soviet doctrine. The reported casualty rate for those prisoners recruited by Wagner is over 70%.
But it does "serve" to force Ukraine to move troops from areas where they were doing well or hoping to advance.
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Reading ‘The Gates of Europe- Serhii Plokhy

Amazon product ASIN 0141980613
it’s a thorough overview of the history of what is now Ukraine. Vikings, Mongols, Turks, Byzantium Crusaders, lithuanian,poles, (All ad 800 to 1300). God knows what else there is between then and The Crimean War.


Me thinks they will try and pile in to Kiev. From Belarus, perhaps using elite forces from that country and bag carriers from Russia? Either way, we could be in for a busy 12 months in Europe. That whole East/west are has such a lot of history. The Balkans, Slavic countries, clashing faith groups and old alliances. Countries like Lithuania (Much of Ukraine was annexed by them hundreds of years ago), will be looking at this as well. In my view, it may come to NATO feet on the ground (Oficially). No special operation, just defending the borders. it‘s absolutely spot on that Russia does not have the weapons for conventional war. I also think that Crimea needs to be cut off. Maybe it will be as a result of Russia‘s new offensives, but the sooner that happens, the better. Here’s hoping that the west weapon supply is in full swing.
 

tisza

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,279
Flying Fokker said:
Reading ‘The Gates of Europe- Serhii Plokhy

Amazon product ASIN 0141980613
it’s a thorough overview of the history of what is now Ukraine. Vikings, Mongols, Turks, Byzantium Crusaders, lithuanian,poles, (All ad 800 to 1300). God knows what else there is between then and The Crimean War.


Me thinks they will try and pile in to Kiev. From Belarus, perhaps using elite forces from that country and bag carriers from Russia? Either way, we could be in for a busy 12 months in Europe. That whole East/west are has such a lot of history. The Balkans, Slavic countries, clashing faith groups and old alliances. Countries like Lithuania (Much of Ukraine was annexed by them hundreds of years ago), will be looking at this as well. In my view, it may come to NATO feet on the ground (Oficially). No special operation, just defending the borders. it‘s absolutely spot on that Russia does not have the weapons for conventional war. I also think that Crimea needs to be cut off. Maybe it will be as a result of Russia‘s new offensives, but the sooner that happens, the better. Here’s hoping that the west weapon supply is in full swing.
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Difficulty going straight from Belarus to Kiev is the terrain. This time of year it's marshland with few serviceable roads through it. Know the area.
If they are setting up for a longer conflict then starving supplies from west would mean needing to cut through more towards lviv.
If they push through to Melitipol then the bridge from Russia to Crimea becomes vulnerable. That severely isolates Crimea.
Still don't see NATO getting involved unless significant change in circumstances. German reluctance to let Poland supply tanks shows how far away that might be.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,280
tisza said:
Difficulty going straight from Belarus to Kiev is the terrain. This time of year it's marshland with few serviceable roads through it. Know the area.
If they are setting up for a longer conflict then starving supplies from west would mean needing to cut through more towards lviv.
If they push through to Melitipol then the bridge from Russia to Crimea becomes vulnerable. That severely isolates Crimea.
Still don't see NATO getting involved unless significant change in circumstances. German reluctance to let Poland supply tanks shows how far away that might be.
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Yes, I think some of the issues last year were caused by the time of the invasion as well. The Winter Olympics?

I just want Russia out of there.

just saw this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-64343274
 
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tisza

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,281
Flying Fokker said:
Yes, I think some of the issues last year were caused by the time of the invasion as well. The Winter Olympics?

I just want Russia out of there.

just saw this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-64343274
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It's a key area. Wait too long and it could be too late.
Influx of Leopards could deter incursions from Belarus.
Germany wants to lead Europe but now can't make leadership decisions.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,282
PVA said:
But the issue is they don't have enough (decent) weapons, ammo, food, logistics, clothes, supplies etc etc for the soldiers they have at the moment

They won't be able to feed and clothe another 500k
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New tactic…500k nude Russians running around in the fields

tisza said:
It's a key area. Wait too long and it could be too late.
Influx of Leopards could deter incursions from Belarus.
Germany wants to lead Europe but now can't make leadership decisions.
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‘They have us over a barrel’: Inside the US and German standoff over sending tanks to Ukraine | CNN Politics

The Biden administration is stuck in a standoff with Germany over whether to send tanks to Ukraine ahead of a key meeting of Western defense leaders in Germany on Friday.
amp.cnn.com

At least UK, Poland, Finland and Baltic states are doing our/their bit in trying to get the rest to up the ante. Germany haven’t even given other countries the go ahead to send their own leopards ?!
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #5,283
Picked this up off The Pinkun.

The history of the Crimea is extremely complicated. It was Russian before it was Ukranian, but retains a strong ethnic Russian populace. Note the highlighted first sentence of the last paragraph.

"In 1783, the Russian Empire annexed Crimea after an earlier war with Turkey. Crimea's strategic position led to the 1854 Crimean War and many short lived regimes following the 1917 Russian Revolution. When the Bolsheviks secured Crimea it became an autonomous soviet republic within Russia. During World War II, Crimea was downgraded to an oblast. In 1944 Crimean Tatars were ethnically cleansed and deported under the orders of Joseph Stalin, in what has been described as a cultural genocide. The USSR transferred Crimea to Ukraine on the 300th anniversary of the Pereyaslav Treaty in 1954.

After Ukrainian independence in 1991 the central government and Crimea clashed, with the region being granted more autonomy. The Soviet fleet in Crimea was also in contention but a 1997 treaty allowed Russia to continue basing its fleet in Sevastopol. In 2014, the Russians occupied the peninsula and organized an illegal referendum in support of Russian annexation, but most countries recognize Crimea as Ukrainian terr


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/22/vladimir-putin-ukraine-west-russia-president.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #5,284
Having read about Russia stating that NATO is at war with Russia, I came across a couple of academic assessments of what Russia does and its having conditioned their society.




 
Last edited: Jan 23, 2023

Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #5,285
 
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