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Flying Fokker

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  • Nov 4, 2022
  • #5,076
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Which side has the will to win is what it boils down to.
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The numbers stack up against Ukraine. I’m rooting for them. The problem is the same as ever. Russia throws ordinance over etc
shmmeee said:
Hmmm, random farmers taken from their homes and provided no training or equipment invading a country on dubious grounds, or a well trained, well stocked army fighting for their homeland.

I know which my money is on.
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I’m the same, It is a common myth that Russia had more men than the German’s had bullets, obvious really. Germany made a series of tactical errors. One of their biggest being the fact that they needed to take Moscow/Stalin out early. How? More reading needed, me thinks?

There is also a concern that Putin wants a ceasefire so that he can train up his conscripts/reservists. Ready for a spring offensive. I’m convinced that this is going to become a face to face slog over the next few months. It will be easier for the equipment to move as well.

Ukraine is being fed as much advanced technology as possible, Russia is acquiring some as well.

Came across this snippet:
Any war can be won if you kill enough of the enemy and that was what Germany tried to do in Barbarossa. It’s called attrition. However, unless you have a considerable technical edge (machine guns and railroads vs. spears in the 19th century), you need to have a significantly larger population with a lot more soldiers than your enemy in order to accomplish this. In World War II, Germany fielded a few wonder weapons, but she did not have a significant enough edge in technology to make up for her smaller population and poor economic management compared to the Soviet Union, to say nothing of the U.S. Her only chance of defeating the Soviets was to win in the initial attack in 1941, before the Soviets could fully mobilize their resources (the Axis forces outnumbered the Red Army when the invasion started). However, the Germans failed to destroy the Red Army, failed to prevent the evacuation of production facilities to the east, and failed to take Moscow or force the collapse of the Soviet government. To put it a bit brutally, Germany achieved an unusually favorable exchange ratio (Wehrmacht deaths vs. Red Army deaths), but the Germans could not sustain the losses and the Soviets could.

You should keep in mind that the bulk of Soviet deaths in the war were civilians, not soldiers. (Soviet rather than Russian, since the Soviet Union was a multi-ethnic state and the war in the Soviet Union was largely fought in the Baltic States, the Ukraine and Byelorussia.) In addition, the Nazi war aim was to colonize the area west of the Urals with German settlers, and they envisioned the death or displacement of tens of millions of people living there, and the effective enslavement of any who remained. Putting the war purely in terms of keeping Stalin or the Communist Party in power misses the point of what the Nazis were trying to do.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 4, 2022
  • #5,077
Flying Fokker said:
The numbers stack up against Ukraine. I’m rooting for them. The problem is the same as ever. Russia throws ordinance over etc


I’m the same, It is a common myth that Russia had more men than the German’s had bullets, obvious really. Germany made a series of tactical errors. One of their biggest being the fact that they needed to take Moscow/Stalin out early. How? More reading needed, me thinks?

There is also a concern that Putin wants a ceasefire so that he can train up his conscripts/reservists. Ready for a spring offensive. I’m convinced that this is going to become a face to face slog over the next few months. It will be easier for the equipment to move as well.

Ukraine is being fed as much advanced technology as possible, Russia is acquiring some as well.

Came across this snippet:
Any war can be won if you kill enough of the enemy and that was what Germany tried to do in Barbarossa. It’s called attrition. However, unless you have a considerable technical edge (machine guns and railroads vs. spears in the 19th century), you need to have a significantly larger population with a lot more soldiers than your enemy in order to accomplish this. In World War II, Germany fielded a few wonder weapons, but she did not have a significant enough edge in technology to make up for her smaller population and poor economic management compared to the Soviet Union, to say nothing of the U.S. Her only chance of defeating the Soviets was to win in the initial attack in 1941, before the Soviets could fully mobilize their resources (the Axis forces outnumbered the Red Army when the invasion started). However, the Germans failed to destroy the Red Army, failed to prevent the evacuation of production facilities to the east, and failed to take Moscow or force the collapse of the Soviet government. To put it a bit brutally, Germany achieved an unusually favorable exchange ratio (Wehrmacht deaths vs. Red Army deaths), but the Germans could not sustain the losses and the Soviets could.

You should keep in mind that the bulk of Soviet deaths in the war were civilians, not soldiers. (Soviet rather than Russian, since the Soviet Union was a multi-ethnic state and the war in the Soviet Union was largely fought in the Baltic States, the Ukraine and Byelorussia.) In addition, the Nazi war aim was to colonize the area west of the Urals with German settlers, and they envisioned the death or displacement of tens of millions of people living there, and the effective enslavement of any who remained. Putting the war purely in terms of keeping Stalin or the Communist Party in power misses the point of what the Nazis were trying to do.
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To be honest I think the failed Soviet invasion of Finland is a better WW2 parallel to their current idiocy, if one is to be made
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 4, 2022
  • #5,078
Not a good look

Ukraine war: Putin allows former prisoners to be conscripted

Russian murderers and drug dealers who have served their time face being sent to serve in Ukraine.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 4, 2022
  • #5,079
skybluetony176 said:
Not a good look

Ukraine war: Putin allows former prisoners to be conscripted

Russian murderers and drug dealers who have served their time face being sent to serve in Ukraine.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Any thoughts on the Watford game tomorrow whilst you're here on a Coventry City forum?
 

baldy

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  • Nov 5, 2022
  • #5,080
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Any thoughts on the Watford game tomorrow whilst you're here on a Coventry City forum?
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Am I missing somethin? Surely he‘d post in the appropriate section if he did?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2022
  • #5,081
baldy said:
Am I missing somethin? Surely he‘d post in the appropriate section if he did?
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He doesn't, that's the point. Spends his entire life on this forum and doesn't contribute to the football side at all. It's bizarre.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2022
  • #5,082
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
He doesn't, that's the point. Spends his entire life on this forum and doesn't contribute to the football side at all. It's bizarre.
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Almost bizarre as you getting upset about it
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Nov 5, 2022
  • #5,083
David O'Day said:
Almost bizarre as you getting upset about it
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You must feel personally attacked considering you are also more likely to be seen scouring an SPL thread than a CCFC one on matchday.
 

baldy

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2022
  • #5,084
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
He doesn't, that's the point. Spends his entire life on this forum and doesn't contribute to the football side at all. It's bizarre.
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Wellll does he have to comment on the footy thread? There’s no law is there?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #5,085
Kin hell he’s getting desperate

Russia recruiting Afghan special forces who fought with US to fight in Ukraine

Russians want to attract thousands of former elite commandos who fear being returned to Taliban-controlled homeland from Iran
www.theguardian.com
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #5,086
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
He doesn't, that's the point. Spends his entire life on this forum and doesn't contribute to the football side at all. It's bizarre.
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Last time I checked we aren’t married so why you think what I do or don’t do has anything to do with you whatsoever is baffling to me.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #5,087
Crazy war.

 
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Kieranp96

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #5,088
Another huge fucking victory for Ukraine, Russia retreating from Kherson across the river, huge huge news
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #5,089
Kieranp96 said:
Another huge fucking victory for Ukraine, Russia retreating from Kherson across the river, huge huge news
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Yep, who would of thought an army of well equipped soldiers fighting for their homeland could beat a rag tag bunch of conscripts armed with at best cold war era weapons?

When they taking Kyiv Grenners?
 
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Mcbean

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #5,090
the worry is for me that once clear putin will drop a dirty bomb on Kherson
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #5,091
David O'Day said:

Yep, who would of thought an army of well equipped soldiers fighting for their homeland could beat a rag tag bunch of conscripts armed with at best cold war era weapons?

When they taking Kyiv Grenners?
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I think Russia are still well equipped in the donbas, but Ukraine cutting supplies to kherson and hitting the Kerch bridge has made Kherson impossible for them, hopefully we may see some movement in zaporiszia before winter really sets in.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #5,092
Mcbean said:
the worry is for me that once clear putin will drop a dirty bomb on Kherson
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Or blow the dam, but I think that causes issues for Crimea too.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #5,093
David O'Day said:

Yep, who would of thought an army of well equipped soldiers fighting for their homeland could beat a rag tag bunch of conscripts armed with at best cold war era weapons?

When they taking Kyiv Grenners?
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I had “chicken” Kyiv last night for tea. There were leftovers, maybe I should send them to Russia as they’re Kyivless.
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #5,094
Kieranp96 said:
I think Russia are still well equipped in the donbas, but Ukraine cutting supplies to kherson and hitting the Kerch bridge has made Kherson impossible for them, hopefully we may see some movement in zaporiszia before winter really sets in.
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They haven't been well equipped for the whole war, just the UK army wasn't either.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #5,095
Mcbean said:
the worry is for me that once clear putin will drop a dirty bomb on Kherson
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Nah. They’ll flood the place maybe, but if the do any kind of nuclear attack it’s over for them. Even the Chinese would tell them to piss off.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #5,096
skybluetony176 said:
I had “chicken” Kyiv last night for tea. There were leftovers, maybe I should send them to Russia as they’re Kyivless.
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I think they need a shit load of rabbits'feet.

Just how unlucky are Russians.



If it isn't people constantly falling out of windows, they are having car crashes.

Such an unlucky country.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #5,097
Absolutely insane video from a Russian TV presenter basically saying whatever he thinks is illegal so he’s saying nothing

 
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JAM See

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #5,098
shmmeee said:
Absolutely insane video from a Russian TV presenter basically saying whatever he thinks is illegal so he’s saying nothing

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The fact that he's openly trolling the government is so funny.

Suella Braverman would never let the BBC get away with that carry on.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #5,099
shmmeee said:
Absolutely insane video from a Russian TV presenter basically saying whatever he thinks is illegal so he’s saying nothing

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Oh, I wish to send that to someone, but I can't see any link address or share facility.

How am I able to share it?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #5,100
Code:
https://streamable.com/7jsf87
 

Otis

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #5,101
Cheers Shmmeee.
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #5,102
No arranged cease fire, so Russians are now in a “fuck around and find out”




 

JAM See

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #5,103
Kieranp96 said:
No arranged cease fire, so Russians are now in a “fuck around and find out”




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Really brings home the cost of war. That's probably a year's wages for a nurse gone right there.

This is a fucking mad world.
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #5,104
JAM See said:
Really brings home the cost of war. That's probably a year's wages for a nurse gone right there.

This is a fucking mad world.
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And the rest, but unfortunately that’s the cost of war, and defence of your country.
 

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #5,105
Kieranp96 said:
And the rest, but unfortunately that’s the cost of war, and defence of your country.
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I'm somewhat of a hypocrite, as I've never really considered the actual COST of war when looking at all the shit in the Middle East, Africa, South America etc. that's being going on in my lifetime...

...But as soon as my 'leccy bills go up, my ISA goes down, and even the nurses have had enough, I get interested.

As I said, I am a hypocrite and I repeat... This is a fucking mad world.
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Nov 11, 2022
  • #5,106
JAM See said:
I'm somewhat of a hypocrite, as I've never really considered the actual COST of war when looking at all the shit in the Middle East, Africa, South America etc. that's being going on in my lifetime...

...But as soon as my 'leccy bills go up, my ISA goes down, and even the nurses have had enough, I get interested.

As I said, I am a hypocrite and I repeat... This is a fucking mad world.
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maybe you should stop being so, your electric prices are up a bit while Ukrainians have next to no gas, no power losing many many country men and women, just outs into perspective how much we take shit for granted, the war is pretty much on my doorstep being only 50 mins from the Ukrainian border.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 11, 2022
  • #5,107
Also handing Russia even more oil and gas will certainly not help prices going forwards. Really all we can do is transition as fast as possible away from oil and gas.

Prices are eye watering though some of the missiles are hundreds of thousands each if not more. That’s one of the problems with the Iranian drones which cost “only” £30k, but the AA missile to take them down costs ten or twenty times that, so even if your shoot them all down you burn through ridiculous amounts of cash.

Has there been any movement of using the billions of frozen Russian assets? That should be the first place we look to cover the cost TBH.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 11, 2022
  • #5,108
the russians are running so fast they are leaving their wounded
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Nov 11, 2022
  • #5,109
David O'Day said:
the russians are running so fast they are leaving their wounded
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since day 1
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Nov 11, 2022
  • #5,110
Otis said:
I think they need a shit load of rabbits'feet.

Just how unlucky are Russians.

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If it isn't people constantly falling out of windows, they are having car crashes.

Such an unlucky country.
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I saw it had been announced on Russain TV that the Russians will be naming a street in Kherson after him. I wonder when that will take place?
 
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