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USSR invades Ukraine. (20 Viewers)

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PVA

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #4,866
Seeing all these videos of Russian conscripts being rounded up, chucked into vans, fighting amongst themselves, drunks stumbling around with bottles of booze, being given WW2 equipment, 2 weeks training.

It's unbelievable.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #4,867
What the fuck


 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #4,868
PVA said:
What the fuck


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Wtaf
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #4,869
PVA said:
Seeing all these videos of Russian conscripts being rounded up, chucked into vans, fighting amongst themselves, drunks stumbling around with bottles of booze, being given WW2 equipment, 2 weeks training.

It's unbelievable.
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It’s the only strategy the country has ever known. Just send wave after wave of fodder at the enemy
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #4,870
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s the only strategy the country has ever known. Just send wave after wave of fodder at the enemy
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To be fair I do think that is a little overplayed, regards to WW2 at least any way.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #4,871
Genuinely seems like a way to get a load of people out of prisons, off their dole and the pension list, or out of the way if they moan about the government or are a bit too Asian more than a serious attempt at a military operation.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #4,872
PVA said:
To be fair I do think that is a little overplayed, regards to WW2 at least any way.
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I would suggest the WW2 casualty rate says otherwise
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #4,873
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I would suggest the WW2 casualty rate says otherwise
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Germany lost more soldiers as a % of total population than The Soviet Union in WW2.

Their tactics were not to throw wave after wave of fodder at the enemy. But, similar to today, they lacked the organisation, leadership and training to successfully implement their tactics so it often appeared like they were just throwing men at it.

Films like Enemy at the Gates have a lot to answer for!
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #4,874
PVA said:
Germany lost more soldiers as a % of total population than The Soviet Union in WW2.

Their tactics were not to throw wave after wave of fodder at the enemy. But, similar to today, they lacked the organisation, leadership and training to successfully implement their tactics so it often appeared like they were just throwing men at it.

Films like Enemy at the Gates have a lot to answer for!
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just wonder if this is where you got your stats from?

Chart: World War II Casualties as a Percentage of Each Country's PopulationTopForeignStocks.com

A post on the World War II Casualties as a Percentage of Each Country's Population with multiple charts.
topforeignstocks.com
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #4,875
Flying Fokker said:
just wonder if this is where you got your stats from?

Chart: World War II Casualties as a Percentage of Each Country's PopulationTopForeignStocks.com

A post on the World War II Casualties as a Percentage of Each Country's Population with multiple charts.
topforeignstocks.com
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I had heard or read the stat before, and I just checked Wikipedia to confirm
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #4,876
PVA said:
Germany lost more soldiers as a % of total population than The Soviet Union in WW2.

Their tactics were not to throw wave after wave of fodder at the enemy. But, similar to today, they lacked the organisation, leadership and training to successfully implement their tactics so it often appeared like they were just throwing men at it.

Films like Enemy at the Gates have a lot to answer for!
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I have a pretty strong interest in WW2 beyond Jude Law films. Stalin saw people as expendable, no question. The proportion lost for the losing side would of course be higher but the absolute totals for the USSR are horrendous.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #4,877
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I have a pretty strong interest in WW2 beyond Jude Law films. Stalin saw people as expendable, no question. The proportion lost for the losing side would of course be higher but the absolute totals for the USSR are horrendous.
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The Enemy at the Gates comment wasn't aimed at you, it was just a general comment

People were expendable for all leaders and all countries, that's just the nature of war in those times.

Of course the totals for the Soviets are awful, but that still doesn't mean that sending wave after wave of people was their strategy. It happened sometimes, but was not their strategy. Same as now really.
 

dutchman

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #4,878
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The proportion lost for the losing side would of course be higher but the absolute totals for the USSR are horrendous.
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I read once that out of every 100 boys in the Soviet Union aged 14 when the war began only three survived to the end of the war.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #4,879
Poor fuckers. it’s going to be a bloodbath.

 
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tisza

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #4,880
shmmeee said:
Poor fuckers. it’s going to be a bloodbath.

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they are quite literally cannon fodder. Mass groupings going to use up Ukrainian larger missiles which are difficult to replace. Literally sending people to their death to deplete Ukrainian arms reserves.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #4,881
tisza said:
they are quite literally cannon fodder. Mass groupings going to use up Ukrainian larger missiles which are difficult to replace. Literally sending people to their death to deplete Ukrainian arms reserves.
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Still think the primary aim is ethnic cleansing.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #4,882
shmmeee said:
Still think the primary aim is ethnic cleansing.
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It does make you wonder if that's what's going on.

Though poor minorities in the middle of nowhere are less likely to cause unrest and protests than plucking people from the major cities so I think they will be conscripted in much larger numbers.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #4,883
Bugsy said:
Just got sent this. Wtf does it mean. Not saying I believe it btw

View attachment 26283View attachment 26284
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Imagine my shock when I woke up on Sunday morning to find that I was still alive. Talk about an anticlimax.
 
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duffer

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #4,884
skybluetony176 said:
Imagine my shock when I woke up on Sunday morning to find that I was still alive. Talk about an anticlimax.
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Yeah, with hindsight maxing out my credit card on bottles of Cristal down the casino on Saturday night probably wasn't a good move... Saying that, with this government we'll probably all be bust by the end of the month anyway.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em, seems to be the official cabinet line.
 
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Otis

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #4,885
duffer said:
Yeah, with hindsight maxing out my credit card on bottles of Cristal down the casino on Saturday night probably wasn't a good move... Saying that, with this government we'll probably all be bust by the end of the month anyway.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em, seems to be the official cabinet line.
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If ya ain't got em, then ya hit rock bottom.

 
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PVA

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,886
Lyman looks like it will be encircled soon. I wonder if this will result in a collapse of the Donbas front similar to that of Karkhiv (fingers crossed).


 
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David O'Day

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,887
PVA said:
Lyman looks like it will be encircled soon. I wonder if this will result in a collapse of the Donbas front similar to that of Karkhiv (fingers crossed).


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#prayforgrenners
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,888
So do we all believe its the Russians that have sabotaged the nord-stream pipelines?
 

Otis

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,889
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
So do we all believe its the Russians that have sabotaged the nord-stream pipelines?
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Hmm, not sure. You get information and disinformation on all sides, so hard to tell. It is a Russian type of thing to do though.

Are they saying it is definitely sabotage and not a fault?
 
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skyblueinBaku

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,890
Difficult to believe it's a fault, Otis. It's two pipielines that are leaking.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,891
Otis said:
Hmm, not sure. You get information and disinformation on all sides, so hard to tell. It is a Russian type of thing to do though.

Are they saying it is definitely sabotage and not a fault?
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Seismologists confirmed it was explosions.....whether they were caused deliberately or not is still a guess I suppose.

Just seems to me that if the Russians wanted to disrupt the gas flow, they could do it a lot more simply & a lot closer to home without risking a covert underwater mission in Danish/German waters....
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,892
Otis said:
Hmm, not sure. You get information and disinformation on all sides, so hard to tell. It is a Russian type of thing to do though.

Are they saying it is definitely sabotage and not a fault?
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Unless the fault was someone left 100kg of C4 down there by accident…

Very weird all round, not sure why the Russians would do it, unless it’s the ensure no way back from war.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,893
shmmeee said:
Unless the fault was someone left 100kg of C4 down there by accident…

Very weird all round, not sure why the Russians would do it, unless it’s the ensure no way back from war.
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My hunch is that they’ve done it to show they have the capability to take out that new Norwegian pipeline at any time. Bit of a strange way of doing it, mind.
 
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LastGarrison

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,894
SBAndy said:
My hunch is that they’ve done it to show they have the capability to take out that new Norwegian pipeline at any time. Bit of a strange way of doing it, mind.
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Surely this just pushes the EU into finding alternatives and cutting off their reliance altogether?

Unless of course it is done to drive gas prices up further to add additional pressure to EU countries over the cost of living crisis coming into the winter months.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,895
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
So do we all believe its the Russians that have sabotaged the nord-stream pipelines?
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Yea
 

Frank Sidebottom

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,896

Ukrainians told to be ready to fight for Russia

The BBC gets rare access to the front line near Kherson where Ukrainian troops are pushing Russians back.
www.bbc.co.uk

This is absolutely nuts, Drafting Ukrainians into the Russian Army to fight against Ukraine.... I'm sure that'll work well.
Fucking horrendous situation for those poor folks to be forced into.... but surely arming Ukrainians to attack their own countrymen is a very, very stupid idea.
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,897
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
So do we all believe its the Russians that have sabotaged the nord-stream pipelines?
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I'm sure I read somewhere that the only vessel in the area at the time was a US navy one.
Disclaimer: I did have cheese that evening so could have been a vivid dream.

Maybe It wasn't a dream:

On February 7, 2022, US President Joe Biden threatened to ‘end’ the Nord Stream 2 pipeline

On February 7, 2022, in a joint press conference with Olaf Scholz, US President Joe Biden threatened to ‘end’ the Nord Stream 2 pipeline
euroweeklynews.com
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,898
Timperley said:

Ukrainians told to be ready to fight for Russia

The BBC gets rare access to the front line near Kherson where Ukrainian troops are pushing Russians back.
www.bbc.co.uk

This is absolutely nuts, Drafting Ukrainians into the Russian Army to fight against Ukraine.... I'm sure that'll work well.
Fucking horrendous situation for those poor folks to be forced into.... but surely arming Ukrainians to attack their own countrymen is a very, very stupid idea.
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This is mental if they do it. They're basically asking Ukrainians to fight eachother.
The more I see of Russia's actions there, the more it parallels 1930's and 1940's Germany in Europe.
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Sep 28, 2022
  • #4,899
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
So do we all believe its the Russians that have sabotaged the nord-stream pipelines?
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Somebody is at fault but who knows who, I don’t think it benefits anyone, apart from maybe the us who can now sell gas to us via ships. One thing is for sure Europe will be struggling for a few winters to come, hopefully the governments come together and find a solution.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #4,900
Nice video

 
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