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USSR invades Ukraine. (13 Viewers)

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covhead1

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  • Sep 11, 2022
  • #4,761
eastwoodsdustman said:

Looks like the Russians are in disarray.
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They have been since they first invaded!

Fuckin shambles!!!
 

tisza

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  • Sep 11, 2022
  • #4,762
Russia just convened a meeting of un security council demanding Ukraine should return all illegally captured arms and munitions
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 12, 2022
  • #4,763
tisza said:
Russia just convened a meeting of un security council demanding Ukraine should return all illegally captured arms and munitions
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They need to define illegally captured surely
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 12, 2022
  • #4,764
tisza said:
Russia just convened a meeting of un security council demanding Ukraine should return all illegally captured arms and munitions
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They’ll return them OK. The munitions individually and they’re having trouble returning the hardware because every time they get near them they keep running away.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 12, 2022
  • #4,765
tisza said:
illegally captured arms and munitions
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this can't be a thing surely. know there's rules of war but if you're running away so fast you can't take stuff with you or destroy it when you've been illegally occupying somewhere you can't ask for it back!
 
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tisza

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  • Sep 12, 2022
  • #4,766
chiefdave said:
this can't be a thing surely. know there's rules of war but if you're running away so fast you can't take stuff with you or destroy it when you've been illegally occupying somewhere you can't ask for it back!
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Someone breaks into your house and leaves his jemmy there. Then sends the police around to fetch it for him as it's his property.
 
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AOM

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  • Sep 12, 2022
  • #4,767
tisza said:
Russia just convened a meeting of un security council demanding Ukraine should return all illegally captured arms and munitions
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Hope there are some Leonidas fans on the Ukrainian frontline

 
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PVA

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  • Sep 12, 2022
  • #4,768
Probably wishful thinking, but imagine if they rout Kherson as well.

Seems to be a lot of reports of soldiers surrendering and refusing to fight there


 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 12, 2022
  • #4,769
Kicking off in Armenia now, Russia obligated to step in in their version of NATO.
 

JAM See

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  • Sep 12, 2022
  • #4,770
shmmeee said:
Kicking off in Armenia now, Russia obligated to step in in their version of NATO.
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Gotta link please?
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 12, 2022
  • #4,771
Presumably it's Azerbaijan (/Turkey) striking while Russia is weak and distracted.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Sep 13, 2022
  • #4,772
shmmeee said:
Kicking off in Armenia now, Russia obligated to step in in their version of NATO.
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Isn't Armenia pretty much in a permanent dispute with Azerbaijan?
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 13, 2022
  • #4,773
Deleted member 9744 said:
Isn't Armenia pretty much in a permanent dispute with Azerbaijan?
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Yeah they've been fighting over Nagorno-Karabakh for centuries
 

tisza

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  • Sep 13, 2022
  • #4,774
PVA said:
Yeah they've been fighting over Nagorno-Karabakh for centuries
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Had a case here about 15 years ago. Armenian and Azeri officers on a training course. Azeri officer basically chopped up Armenian officer with an axe while he was in bed. Sentenced to life here then was supposed to go backto Azerbajian to serve out his sentence but their President pardoned him as soon as he got off the flight.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 13, 2022
  • #4,775
Was obviously happening, but they've finally actually confirmed it.


 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Sep 14, 2022
  • #4,776
PVA said:
Was obviously happening, but they've finally actually confirmed it.


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Just wondering, Surely we/ US et Al have boots on the ground? Special forces are there for such circumstances.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 14, 2022
  • #4,777
Flying Fokker said:
Just wondering, Surely we/ US et Al have boots on the ground? Special forces are there for such circumstances.
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Would be a major international incident if it was discovered. I’d expect we’re giving loads of intel and support, and maybe a few special ops hidden as foreign legion.
 
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tisza

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  • Sep 14, 2022
  • #4,778
Flying Fokker said:
Just wondering, Surely we/ US et Al have boots on the ground? Special forces are there for such circumstances.
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Would be surprised. Catastrophic politically if one got caught. Hi Tec assistance can be provided from distance.
Also NATO going to great lengths & expense to train large numbers of Ukrainians on their own countries rather than provide "on site" training.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 14, 2022
  • #4,779
This is awful and exactly why agreeing for 'peace' talks was never really an optoin


 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 14, 2022
  • #4,780
PVA said:
This is awful and exactly why agreeing for 'peace' talks was never really an optoin


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Absolute monsters. Hearing some of the reports the Russian soldiers have bought into their propaganda about Ukrainians being Nazis and murderers and the Americans secretly doing the fighting.

Seen a few takes that Russians just don’t have the mindset for liberal democracy, or any democracy for a variety of cultural reasons. Real shame cos I know some lovey Russians, but as a whole they seem to be wedded to this bunker mentality, strong man leader type stuff.

And no one can do much cos of the nukes. So not sure how they become a functioning part of the international community again. Maybe demographic change, though a lot of the liberal young just seem to up sticks and move to the West.
 
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tisza

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  • Sep 14, 2022
  • #4,781
shmmeee said:
Absolute monsters. Hearing some of the reports the Russian soldiers have bought into their propaganda about Ukrainians being Nazis and murderers and the Americans secretly doing the fighting.

Seen a few takes that Russians just don’t have the mindset for liberal democracy, or any democracy for a variety of cultural reasons. Real shame cos I know some lovey Russians, but as a whole they seem to be wedded to this bunker mentality, strong man leader type stuff.

And no one can do much cos of the nukes. So not sure how they become a functioning part of the international community again. Maybe demographic change, though a lot of the liberal young just seem to up sticks and move to the West.
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Have to fear for how disciplined Ukrainians are going to be (seeing as many aren't regular troops) when they retake these areas and deal with collaborators.
Liberal democracy is found in few countries outside the EU and several within aren't keen on the concept. It appeals to stable countries not so much to unstable ones. Hungarians still accept Orban's illiberal democracy as they think it guarantees stability albeit at a price. A fair precentage here are still pro-Russia and everything here is EU and NATO's fault. Plus Ukraine is getting what it deserves for perceived abuses of the Hungarian population in trans Carpathia which they believe Putin would return to them.
Russians don't get liberal democracy because they moved from one form of total authority to another to another now.
Have a friend here now who is a senior executive for a huge French food company. He is anti-Putin and had to leave Russia on one of his companies ships. His wife and family joined but she wants to go back as she is pro-Putin and doesn't accept how much danger her husband could be in if he returned.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 14, 2022
  • #4,782
tisza said:
Have to fear for how disciplined Ukrainians are going to be (seeing as many aren't regular troops) when they retake these areas and deal with collaborators.
Liberal democracy is found in few countries outside the EU and several within aren't keen on the concept. It appeals to stable countries not so much to unstable ones. Hungarians still accept Orban's illiberal democracy as they think it guarantees stability albeit at a price. A fair precentage here are still pro-Russia and everything here is EU and NATO's fault. Plus Ukraine is getting what it deserves for perceived abuses of the Hungarian population in trans Carpathia which they believe Putin would return to them.
Russians don't get liberal democracy because they moved from one form of total authority to another to another now.
Have a friend here now who is a senior executive for a huge French food company. He is anti-Putin and had to leave Russia on one of his companies ships. His wife and family joined but she wants to go back as she is pro-Putin and doesn't accept how much danger her husband could be in if he returned.
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Yeah and you need a whole civil infrastructure that isn’t riddled with corruption for it to work, which a lot of places lack. And it’s chicken and egg cos how do you stamp down on corruption without first having a leadership who wants to?

Ukraine has these issues as well, I hope that both the cultural ties with the west being strengthened and hopefully the west being heavily involved in rebuilding post war can fix some of that. Both countries have such potential.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 14, 2022
  • #4,783
shmmeee said:
Yeah and you need a whole civil infrastructure that isn’t riddled with corruption for it to work, which a lot of places lack. And it’s chicken and egg cos how do you stamp down on corruption without first having a leadership who wants to?

Ukraine has these issues as well, I hope that both the cultural ties with the west being strengthened and hopefully the west being heavily involved in rebuilding post war can fix some of that. Both countries have such potential.
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Which we are somewhat losing at our peril
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 14, 2022
  • #4,784
Sky Blue Pete said:
Which we are somewhat losing at our peril
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Ah but our corruption is done by nice men in suits with business interests, not thugs with guns, so that’s something.
 
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Otis

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  • Sep 15, 2022
  • #4,785
I see Putin met Xi today .

 
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tisza

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  • Sep 15, 2022
  • #4,786
Otis said:
I see Putin met Xi today .

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Always confuses me why Putin isn't more paranoid about China. They have also sorts of troops and weapons have much closer to Russia than NATO do. Modernizing their military at a massive rate and aren't exactly shy about expanding their areas of influence in the future
 
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JAM See

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  • Sep 15, 2022
  • #4,787
tisza said:
Always confuses me why Putin isn't more paranoid about China. They have also sorts of troops and weapons have much closer to Russia than NATO do. Modernizing their military at a massive rate and aren't exactly shy about expanding their areas of influence in the future
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He needs a weatherman to see which way the wind blows.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #4,788
tisza said:
Always confuses me why Putin isn't more paranoid about China. They have also sorts of troops and weapons have much closer to Russia than NATO do. Modernizing their military at a massive rate and aren't exactly shy about expanding their areas of influence in the future
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Putin would Struggle with tiddlywinks judging by his strategy in Ukraine.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #4,789
Flying Fokker said:
Putin would Struggle with tiddlywinks judging by his strategy in Ukraine.
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #4,790
Got to say if it keeps going this way Biden has played an absolute blinder in geopolitical terms.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #4,791
shmmeee said:
Got to say if it keeps going this way Biden has played an absolute blinder in geopolitical terms.
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Imagine if Trump was in charge…
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #4,792
Seems to be kicking off between Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan as well now
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #4,793
‘Zelensky should have given up territory for peace’

Ukraine war: Hundreds of graves found in liberated Izyum city - officials

More than 400 bodies are thought to be on a site in the city which Russia occupied, officials say.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #4,794
Yeah why not sit down and agree to let mass murdering war criminals occupy half your country.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #4,795
What actual powers does anyone have to prosecute war crimes? Cos there seems to be tons of evidence and the international community is just kinda whistling to itself in the corner.

Ive no idea how any of that works. Do they need to catch Putin somewhere out of Russia, are there no automatic sanctions or anything? Seems weird you can have a UN Security Council member just brazenly committing atrocities and no one bats an eyelid.
 
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