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USSR invades Ukraine. (13 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #351
PVA said:
Good grief.

Quick tell us about some obscure Labour policy from 30 years ago that validates Putin's invasion
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what?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #352
Grendel said:
well I’m referring to a labour policy in its last manifesto but hey ho
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Which one exactly?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #353
Ian1779 said:
Which one exactly?
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The one I assume that Mr Starmer has now totally distanced himself from

This must be a very difficult time for you as in recent history people in Mr Johnson’s position at these times become very popular

Do you support Ms Sultana wanting to stop Russia in it’s actions?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #354
Cowards and traitors every one of them

 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #355
Jesus Christ this is turning into the EU in out shake it all about Brexit bollocks threads.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #356
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Jesus Christ this is turning into the EU in out shake it all about Brexit bollocks threads.
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I doubt anyone who cares about this country will vote for Sultana again
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #357
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Jesus Christ this is turning into the EU in out shake it all about Brexit bollocks threads.
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Plus nukes
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #358
David O'Day said:
It's not that he cares or not about sanctions. It's more that conditions for the people in Russia including those close to him become so bad Putins power slips.

There will be no WW3 as we won't directly fight in the Ukraine and Putin won't attack a NATO country as that triggers actual conventional war which he can't win.

Nuclear weapons are a nonsense as well as no one is going use them knowing they'll destroy their own country as well.
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I don't think that really answers it, obviously nobody wants an all out war so it looks like the only option is to watch on and offer moral support in a fight that looks like ukraine can't win.

What I'm asking, what happens if putin threatens war on countries aiding ukraine or sanctioning Russia, do they call it a bluff that he won't start a war and carry on or do they back down under the threat of war?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #359
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
I don't think that really answers it, obviously nobody wants an all out war so it looks like the only option is to watch on and offer moral support in a fight that looks like ukraine can't win.

What I'm asking, what happens if putin threatens war on countries aiding ukraine or sanctioning Russia, do they call it a bluff that he won't start a war and carry on or do they back down under the threat of war?
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Actually the real problem is if missiles accidentally cross borders and cause casualties in neighbouring countries
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #360
Grendel said:
Actually the real problem is if missiles accidentally cross borders and cause casualties in neighbouring countries
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Yes I did wonder that also
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #361
Tom Tugendhat talking some sense on C4 news.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #362
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
I don't think that really answers it, obviously nobody wants an all out war so it looks like the only option is to watch on and offer moral support in a fight that looks like ukraine can't win.

What I'm asking, what happens if putin threatens war on countries aiding ukraine or sanctioning Russia, do they call it a bluff that he won't start a war and carry on or do they back down under the threat of war?
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It answers it perfectly, Putin will not declare war on the west.

the sanctions are here to stay
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #363
David O'Day said:
what?
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Sorry quoted wrong person
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #364
Grendel said:
Cowards and traitors every one of them

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Their position (which I disagree with) is certainly not as cowardly as “let them get on with it”.
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #365
David O'Day said:
It answers it perfectly, Putin will not declare war on the west.

the sanctions are here to stay
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You seems confident in that, I am by no means an expert so I'll take your word. Sounds like playing a game of poker with a mad man
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #366
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Jesus Christ this is turning into the EU in out shake it all about Brexit bollocks threads.
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Because you know who has done nothing except cry about Labour despite it being absolutely nothing to do with Labour
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #367
All this stuff is going to push the announcement of the queen's death right back.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #368
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
You seems confident in that, I am by no means an expert so I'll take your word. Sounds like playing a game of poker with a mad man
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Basically you can take nuclear weapons off the off the table. Mutually assured destruction sees to that.

Putin isn't going to get involved in a conventional war that he can't win. He goes to war against the west then he has to fight a combined force a much bigger and more advanced force than he has while watch his ability to spunk money on war dwindle as his economy crashes.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #369
A sizeable protest in St Petersburg tonight, Putins home city. Maybe this isn’t going the way he planned in Russia.

Also some talk that Ukrainian soldiers have taken back the airport and done enough damage to the runway to stop planes landing on it. Big stumbling block for Putin if true.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #370
SBT said:
Their position (which I disagree with) is certainly not as cowardly as “let them get on with it”.
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well they want them to get on with it
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #371
Grendel said:
The one I assume that Mr Starmer has now totally distanced himself from

This must be a very difficult time for you as in recent history people in Mr Johnson’s position at these times become very popular

Do you support Ms Sultana wanting to stop Russia in it’s actions?
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So not an actual policy you have read or know of. Not like you to make something up with no actual evidence to back it up.
FYI - Labour 2019 manifesto said it would reiterate its commitment to be a part of NATO.

I’m more than aware that in times of war the incumbent is more popular - it’s hardly a secret nor a ‘hard time for me’

As for her statement - let’s get it up here and see what it says seeing as you seem to not look for facts before making statements.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #372
Grendel said:
Cowards and traitors every one of them

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Again - let’s see the actual statement on here and we can discuss it. Also add in to the mix that this was written before Russia’s invasion not today.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #373
I’m just thinking back to the Falklands war when a frightened weak dictatorship invaded it in an attempt to look strong which was actually a sign of weakness and led to it’s downfall. Is it too much to hope that this will go the same way for Putin?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #374
skybluetony176 said:
I’m just thinking back to the Falklands war when a frightened weak dictatorship invaded it in an attempt to look strong which was actually a sign of weakness and led to it’s downfall. Is it too much to hope that this will go the same way for Putin?
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It’s telling that despite his dictatorial grip on the press that some over there have been brave enough to call this out on day one.
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #375
David O'Day said:
Basically you can take nuclear weapons off the off the table. Mutually assured destruction sees to that.

Putin isn't going to get involved in a conventional war that he can't win. He goes to war against the west then he has to fight a combined force a much bigger and more advanced force than he has while watch his ability to spunk money on war dwindle as his economy crashes.
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I don't see how Ukraine win, so it looks like Russia takes Ukraine and then we hope the sanctions and economic impact of that prevent Russia from doing it again.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #376
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
I don't see how Ukraine win, so it looks like Russia takes Ukraine and then we hope the sanctions and economic impact of that prevent Russia from doing it again.
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It will become a long drawn out almost guerilla war, the people of the ukriane aren't going to stop
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #377
Ian1779 said:
Again - let’s see the actual statement on here and we can discuss it. Also add in to the mix that this was written before Russia’s invasion not today.
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Ignore the stinky Catweezle weirdo.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #378
David O'Day said:
It will become a long drawn out almost guerilla war, the people of the ukriane aren't going to stop
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Putin needs a quick knockout so the defenders have no time to consolidate. Seems like he might not be getting it
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #379
skybluetony176 said:
A sizeable protest in St Petersburg tonight, Putins home city. Maybe this isn’t going the way he planned in Russia.

Also some talk that Ukrainian soldiers have taken back the airport and done enough damage to the runway to stop planes landing on it. Big stumbling block for Putin if true.
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #380
Grendel said:
well they want them to get on with it
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You’re in good company then!

Bit of a nightmare all round for you, this one.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #381
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s telling that despite his dictatorial grip on the press that some over there have been brave enough to call this out on day one.
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Pretty much my thoughts. Suppressing free speech, protest (breaking Covid rules apparently), locking away opposition politicians etc USA sign of weakness not strength. Maybe just maybe these are the actions of a desperate man who is loosing his grip.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #382
David O'Day said:
Basically you can take nuclear weapons off the off the table. Mutually assured destruction sees to that.
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To paraphrase Blackadder:

"The idea was to have huge nuclear arsenals on both sides, so that everyone would be too scared of mutually assured destruction to ever use them. Of course there was one tiny flaw in the plan. It was bollocks!"
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #383
SBT said:
You’re in good company then!

Bit of a nightmare all round for you, this one.
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You keep saying “bit of a nightmare” - I hate to tell you but this is a football forum which has morons regarding politics who disagree with me like UKIP Tony, David “special brew” O day, the ever so earnest and ever so stupid PVA, the utter hopeless child who pretends he’s a teacher Ian and others who literally have the gravitas of losers in the first round of a 6th form debating society

The politics aspect of this forum misjudges the wider view of the country every single time. It’s just a bunch of sad bitter losers who well at election time just lose

Keep carry on losing
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #384
skybluetony176 said:
I’m just thinking back to the Falklands war when a frightened weak dictatorship invaded it in an attempt to look strong which was actually a sign of weakness and led to it’s downfall. Is it too much to hope that this will go the same way for Putin?
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Putin has quite a bit more at his disposal than Argentina.
 
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SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #385
David O'Day said:
Ignore the stinky Catweezle weirdo.
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serious question: how old are you?
 
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