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USSR invades Ukraine. (14 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 5, 2022
  • #4,131
CCFCSteve said:
The UN should’ve been involved in this side of it by now. Not necessarily to protect us from inflationary increases, more places in Africa that are going to starve. An absolute disgrace
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Putin’s crap forces could have been squished in short order. It’s a choice to let him carry on while wearing Ukraine badges
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 5, 2022
  • #4,132
PVA said:
Tanks from the '60s heading into battle


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Mcbean

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  • Jun 5, 2022
  • #4,133
Need ships to protect Odesa !
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 5, 2022
  • #4,134
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
View attachment 24941
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That's a Russian conscript issued bulletproof vest
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 5, 2022
  • #4,135
An interesting read:


 
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RegTheDonk

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  • Jun 5, 2022
  • #4,136
CCFCSteve said:
The UN should’ve been involved in this side of it by now. Not necessarily to protect us from inflationary increases, more places in Africa that are going to starve. An absolute disgrace
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Perhaps this tactic will actually get the UN to recognise this as a humanitarian crisis, which I heard somewhere would be something Russia would want to aviod. As they can veto decisions, don't know how that would play out. If there was some way of getting UN peacekeepers in the area, would that either calm or esculate things to some kind of conclusion?
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Jun 5, 2022
  • #4,137
tisza said:
Been destroying crop stores on farms as well - those they couldn't load onto rail and send back to Russia.
Food supplies and food inflation becoming a weapon.
Here dairy products up over 60%, meat products well over 50%. Supermarkets have been rationing some products for weeks now.
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Have they? I haven’t noticed
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 5, 2022
  • #4,138
Putin has now stepped up the rhetoric against western arms .
If Ukraine ask for more weaponry despite the threat of more Russian attacks in the west of the country including Kiev, we should honour it. Anything less is a total betrayal.
 
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LastGarrison

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,139
Two captured Brits sentences to death in a Russian court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61726733
 
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SBT

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,140
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Putin’s crap forces could have been squished in short order. It’s a choice to let him carry on while wearing Ukraine badges
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By the UN?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,141
SBT said:
By the UN?
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Yes.
 
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SBT

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,142
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes.
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Them and whose army?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,143
SBT said:
Them and whose army?
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The world’s minus Russia and China
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,144
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The world’s minus Russia and China
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World war 3 then. Would be several counties allied to Russia if that happened
 
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SBT

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,145
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The world’s minus Russia and China
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I’d prefer not being vaporised, and I’m guessing the UN members do too.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,146
Not sure global food shortages and poverty are a price worth paying for a country like Ukraine ? so ultimately at some point decisions will have to be made

Real talk
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,147
SBT said:
I’d prefer not being vaporised, and I’m guessing the UN members do too.
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Then really the UN isn’t fit for purpose if it’s prepared to see the alternative that is unfolding.
 
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SBT

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,148
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Then really the UN isn’t fit for purpose if it’s prepared to see the alternative that is unfolding.
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The alternative you’re suggesting is global (quite possibly) nuclear war - how is that better for the world?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,149
SBT said:
The alternative you’re suggesting is global (quite possibly) nuclear war - how is that better for the world?
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That is if you believe that Putin will nuke the world over Ukraine and that people will obey the orders of a humiliated leader. Do you?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,150
At some point , when people are struggling to pay for food and their bills are even more ridiculous .. they will become angry at their leaders for continuing to plow billions into a foreign war thats helping cause it .. we arent at that point yet .. it's what I'm getting at really.
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,151
LastGarrison said:
Two captured Brits sentences to death in a Russian court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61726733
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Maybe a massive escalation of war, they’re pow and Ukrainian citizens not Mercenaries so I can see the uk doing something to prevent these deaths.
 
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SBT

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,152
Brighton Sky Blue said:
That is if you believe that Putin will nuke the world over Ukraine and that people will obey the orders of a humiliated leader. Do you?
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I think it’s a very real (not to mention completely terrifying) possibility, and most world leaders seem to agree. Why else would they not have simply steamed in to “squish Russia in short order”?

If your answer is ‘energy supplies’, why wouldn’t we just invade Russia, overthrow Putin and control it ourselves like we do elsewhere in the world?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,153
Brighton Sky Blue said:
That is if you believe that Putin will nuke the world over Ukraine and that people will obey the orders of a humiliated leader. Do you?
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The likely occurrence is a world war of military conflict and Russia have many allies across many continents

Ukraine isn’t worth that effort
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,154
Grendel said:
The likely occurrence is a world war of military conflict and Russia have many allies across many continents

Ukraine isn’t worth that effort
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What is the line he needs to cross, in your opinion?
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,155
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What is the line he needs to cross, in your opinion?
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Why don't we look at negotiating a peace deal before anymore lines get crossed
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,156
Kieranp96 said:
Maybe a massive escalation of war, they’re pow and Ukrainian citizens not Mercenaries so I can see the uk doing something to prevent these deaths.
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Hopefully Boris doesn’t intervene. He’ll somehow manage to get their sentence increased going by past achievements in helping brits locked up by rogue states.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,157
Grendel said:
The likely occurrence is a world war of military conflict and Russia have many allies across many continents

Ukraine isn’t worth that effort
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OK Neville.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,158
skybluetony176 said:
Hopefully Boris doesn’t intervene. He’ll somehow manage to get their sentence increased going by past achievements in helping brits locked up by rogue states.
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I hope somebody has a word with old nadine about encouraging people to get involved
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,159
Brighton Sky Blue said:
That is if you believe that Putin will nuke the world over Ukraine and that people will obey the orders of a humiliated leader. Do you?
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Any talk of global war is fucking stupid. Russia's only powerful half friend is China and they are not going to get involved in a war in the Ukraine.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,160
David O'Day said:
Any talk of global war is fucking stupid. Russia's only powerful half friend is China and they are not going to get involved in a war in the Ukraine.
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Exactly, they’re enjoying the benefits of being the world’s factory too much to get involved.

Putin is playing a game of chicken hoping the west blink first. Now is not the time to come over all Neville Chamberlain like. It’s unfortunate for Ukraine but Putin can’t come out of this with anything resembling a tangible victory. Even if that means the current hardships get worse and last longer.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,161
Evo1883 said:
At some point , when people are struggling to pay for food and their bills are even more ridiculous .. they will become angry at their leaders for continuing to plow billions into a foreign war thats helping cause it .. we arent at that point yet .. it's what I'm getting at really.
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Not sure how handing Russia massive amounts of grain supply will help that exactly. You’re proposing we add grain to oil and gas as tools of an authoritarian and frankly dangerous regime.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,162
shmmeee said:
Not sure how handing Russia massive amounts of grain supply will help that exactly. You’re proposing we add grain to oil and gas as tools of an authoritarian and frankly dangerous regime.
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I'm proposing we negotiate , or atleast attempt to negotiate a peace deal as a collective group of powerful nations.

I believe I've said this all along actually .
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,163
skybluetony176 said:
Exactly, they’re enjoying the benefits of being the world’s factory too much to get involved.

Putin is playing a game of chicken hoping the west blink first. Now is not the time to come over all Neville Chamberlain like. It’s unfortunate for Ukraine but Putin can’t come out of this with anything resembling a tangible victory. Even if that means the current hardships get worse and last longer.
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Exactly, China may not like the west but their economic model needs the west
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,164
Evo1883 said:
I'm proposing we negotiate , or atleast attempt to negotiate a peace deal as a collective group of powerful nations.

I believe I've said this all along actually .
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What do you think has been happening the last few months?

While the west won’t step in or step up arms deliveries because they’re scared of Russian nukes, Russia has no reason to give up the chance to add another piece of leverage over the world.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 9, 2022
  • #4,165
shmmeee said:
What do you think has been happening the last few months?

While the west won’t step in or step up arms deliveries because they’re scared of Russian nukes, Russia has no reason to give up the chance to add another piece of leverage over the world.
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Doesn't feel like we've pushed too hard for peace in all honesty ( as a collective )

And we most definitely won't be sending in our own troops
 
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