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USSR invades Ukraine. (29 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 18, 2022
  • #3,851
PVA said:
Looks like Russia might start struggling in the East soon too.

Same old story - overstretched supply lines that they can't defend. Its amazing how badly they've bungled this invasion.


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What a mess, what are they doing ?!! Not sure if this will come true but bold prediction…

‘Which takes me back to my original prediction: the russian armed forces will be defeated in Ukraine and Putin will be removed from power’

The link to the Canadian Ukrainian is very interesting
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #3,852
David O'Day said:
didn't Grenners want the Ukraine to give up and allow Putin to do what he wanted with there country?
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I think it was a legitimate opinion it’s not now
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #3,853
The defence of Mariupol is amazing.

The city is utterly ruined, but it's taking a herculean effort for them to defend it and keep Russian forces occupied there rather than advancing elsewhere.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #3,854
PVA said:
The defence of Mariupol is amazing.

The city is utterly ruined, but it's taking a herculean effort for them to defend it and keep Russian forces occupied there rather than advancing elsewhere.
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They’ve got something that the Russian soldiers will never have. Something worth fighting for. Heroes, every last Ukrainian soldier and resident.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #3,855
skybluetony176 said:
They’ve got something that the Russian soldiers will never have. Something worth fighting for. Heroes, every last Ukrainian soldier and resident.
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You’re right there. Something worth fighting for is hugely important especially when the other side might not believe in what they’re doing
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #3,856
Sky Blue Pete said:
I think it was a legitimate opinion it’s not now
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it was never legitimate
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #3,857
David O'Day said:
it was never legitimate
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It’s what france did in the Second World War and it would have saved many civilian lives
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #3,858
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s what france did in the Second World War and it would have saved many civilian lives
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Just not the Jewish ones
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #3,859
shmmeee said:
Just not the Jewish ones
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Quite. Very reasonable well read and intelligent people were saying it was an option to me too. On balance I didn’t agree
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #3,860
Sky Blue Pete said:
Quite. Very reasonable well read and intelligent people were saying it was an option to me too. On balance I didn’t agree
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Hard to say when it’s not your (or your family’s) life/freedom on the line, but seeing what the Russians have done to those places they’ve occupied, I’m not even sure many lives would be saved, and those that were May end up cheap labour or moved to miles away.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #3,861
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s what france did in the Second World War and it would have saved many civilian lives
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WTF? wow

sorry but wow
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #3,862
David O'Day said:
WTF? wow

sorry but wow
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You disagree
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #3,863
Sky Blue Pete said:
You disagree
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Anyone with a brain would disagree with the people of a free democratic republic letting a fascist dictator just take over their country.

And to say letting the Nazi's over run France saved civilian lives is sick
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #3,864
This is why sanctions work and the wealthy also has more clout than the man on the street.

Sanctioned Russian tycoon condemns 'insane' war
A Russian tycoon has blasted Moscow's "massacre" in Ukraine and called on the West to end the "insane war", in a profanity-laced Instagram post.
"I don't see a SINGLE beneficiary of this insane war! Innocent people and soldiers are dying," wrote Oleg Tinkov, 54, in Russian.
According to him, "90%" of his fellow Russians are also against this war. The remaining 10% "are morons" he said.
Tinkov, one of Russia's most well-known entrepreneurs, founded Tinkoff Bank in 2006.
On Instagram he added: "Waking up with a hangover, the generals realised that they have a shit army.
"And how will the army be good, if everything else in the country is shit and mired in nepotism, sycophancy and servility?"
Before Russia invaded Ukraine in late February, Tinkov's wealth had been estimated at more than $4.4bn (£3.4bn).
But he has since lost his billionaire status as shares in his bank have plummeted, Forbes reported last month.
In a statement, Tinkoff Bank said it would not comment on the "private opinion" of its founder, saying he no longer makes decisions for the brand.
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Kieranp96

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #3,865
Seems they're calling putins bluff now UK USA and Canada providing heavy weapons
 

AOM

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #3,866
Kieranp96 said:
Seems they're calling putins bluff now UK USA and Canada providing heavy weapons
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We sending Boris?
 
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Macca1987

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #3,867
AOM said:
We sending Boris?
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No his wife
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #3,868
They're finally catching on


 
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BodicoteSkyBlue

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #3,869
Flying Fokker said:
This is why sanctions work and the wealthy also has more clout than the man on the street.

Sanctioned Russian tycoon condemns 'insane' war
A Russian tycoon has blasted Moscow's "massacre" in Ukraine and called on the West to end the "insane war", in a profanity-laced Instagram post.
"I don't see a SINGLE beneficiary of this insane war! Innocent people and soldiers are dying," wrote Oleg Tinkov, 54, in Russian.
According to him, "90%" of his fellow Russians are also against this war. The remaining 10% "are morons" he said.
Tinkov, one of Russia's most well-known entrepreneurs, founded Tinkoff Bank in 2006.
On Instagram he added: "Waking up with a hangover, the generals realised that they have a shit army.
"And how will the army be good, if everything else in the country is shit and mired in nepotism, sycophancy and servility?"
Before Russia invaded Ukraine in late February, Tinkov's wealth had been estimated at more than $4.4bn (£3.4bn).
But he has since lost his billionaire status as shares in his bank have plummeted, Forbes reported last month.
In a statement, Tinkoff Bank said it would not comment on the "private opinion" of its founder, saying he no longer makes decisions for the brand.
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If I was Mr Tinkoff I’d be checking my door handles ect for Novichok from now on!!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #3,870
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s what france did in the Second World War and it would have saved many civilian lives
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The French put up more resistance defending Vichy Madagascar against the British than they did their own homeland against Hitler. Not a great reference point.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #3,871
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The French put up more resistance defending Vichy Madagascar against the British than they did their own homeland against Hitler. Not a great reference point.
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Same in North Africa against the Yanks.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #3,872
skybluetony176 said:
Same in North Africa against the Yanks.
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If I remember right the ‘let Putin do what he likes’ approach rested on the assumption that he would voluntarily offer some of the territory back in negotiations.

Thankfully we never went down that route.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #3,873
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The French put up more resistance defending Vichy Madagascar against the British than they did their own homeland against Hitler. Not a great reference point.
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To be fair the French did lose almost a generation of young men in WWI so apart from not really wanting to go down that route again they had a severely depleted number of potential soldiers to start with.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #3,874
AOM said:
We sending Boris?
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Do you really want this country to be a pariah state and facing war crime charges?

Under no circumstances should the rest of the world be made to suffer The Absolute Weapon
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Apr 21, 2022
  • #3,875
David O'Day said:
WTF? wow

sorry but wow
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Shock, horror...A country surrenders to save its citizens...That was the starK reality for other leaders before France. Without thinking of the broader picture. It is also suggested that Hitler spared Paris because he loved the architecture. Which sort of shows what kind of a mish-mash war is.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Apr 21, 2022
  • #3,876
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The French put up more resistance defending Vichy Madagascar against the British than they did their own homeland against Hitler. Not a great reference point.
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Indeed. Which brings us to Ukraine and the resolve of their nation. France seems to talk a lot. Whenever they get involved in conflict things fall to pieces. They didn't do a very good job in Veitnam either. But I guess Colonialism was falling apart for many 'Great' nations.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 21, 2022
  • #3,877
Flying Fokker said:
Indeed. Which brings us to Ukraine and the resolve of their nation. France seems to talk a lot. Whenever they get involved in conflict things fall to pieces. They didn't do a very good job in Veitnam either. But I guess Colonialism was falling apart for many 'Great' nations.
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Think they sent some soldiers to Mali at the request of their government. After a while Malians wanted them gone because they’d done jack all to help tackle the issues they were brought in for.

At least it appears that Ukraine will just about save Macron
 

tisza

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  • Apr 21, 2022
  • #3,878
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Think they sent some soldiers to Mali at the request of their government. After a while Malians wanted them gone because they’d done jack all to help tackle the issues they were brought in for.

At least it appears that Ukraine will just about save Macron
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Mali wanted a more aggressive approach from French army and troops with a ruthless streak. So shifted the French and replaced them with the Wagner group.
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 21, 2022
  • #3,879
Flying Fokker said:
Shock, horror...A country surrenders to save its citizens...That was the starK reality for other leaders before France. Without thinking of the broader picture. It is also suggested that Hitler spared Paris because he loved the architecture. Which sort of shows what kind of a mish-mash war is.
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bet the french jews were so happy to be saved
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 21, 2022
  • #3,880
Russia has claimed it has 'liberated' Mariupol

Azov are still holed up in the steel plant though and Putin has ordered the factory not to be stormed, probably because he knows they can't take it.

Instead they are going to put it under siege and make sure nothing can come in or out.

I wonder if this gives them a bit of an off-ramp. Eliminate the Azov regiment and claim they've de-nazified Ukraine and it's mission accomplished.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Apr 21, 2022
  • #3,881
Puck Futin I Stand With Ukraine Flag Support T-Shirt : Amazon.co.uk: Clothing
 

Ian1779

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  • Apr 21, 2022
  • #3,882
Flying Fokker said:
Puck Futin I Stand With Ukraine Flag Support T-Shirt : Amazon.co.uk: Clothing
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I can’t be the only person thinking profiteering like this is in bad taste.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Apr 21, 2022
  • #3,883
David O'Day said:
bet the french jews were so happy to be saved
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It’s sad. The French, Dutch, Polish and others are guilty of that. And.….the Uk would fall well short of todays standards regarding anti semetism / racial bigotry and their colonialism. Hopefully, we are becoming a better society but people still want to harm others because they are different. Pick a protected characteristic and see how tolerant society is today?
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Apr 21, 2022
  • #3,884
Ian1779 said:
I can’t be the only person thinking profiteering like this is in bad taste.
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It is. But none of us need to buy it. bot forgetting the dress like zelensky fashion items? as far as statements go, the t shirt makes it’s point. I looked at the cost and thought the same as you. Someone is profiteering.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 21, 2022
  • #3,885
PVA said:
Russia has claimed it has 'liberated' Mariupol

Azov are still holed up in the steel plant though and Putin has ordered the factory not to be stormed, probably because he knows they can't take it.

Instead they are going to put it under siege and make sure nothing can come in or out.

I wonder if this gives them a bit of an off-ramp. Eliminate the Azov regiment and claim they've de-nazified Ukraine and it's mission accomplished.
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I guess their destruction of Holocaust memorials and waging war against a Jewish leader has sort of derailed the denazification effort.
 
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