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USSR invades Ukraine. (8 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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rob9872

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  • Mar 18, 2022
  • #3,466
Fair play to see David Cameron driving a lorry carrying aid over to the Poland Ukraine border.
 
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JAM See

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  • Mar 18, 2022
  • #3,467
rob9872 said:
Fair play to see David Cameron driving a lorry carrying aid over to the Poland Ukraine border.
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If he does make it to Ukraine, it wouldn't be the first time the twat has made an ill advised decision to leave the EU
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 18, 2022
  • #3,468
JAM See said:
If he does make it to Ukraine, it wouldn't be the first time the twat has made an ill advised decision to leave the EU
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he didn’t choose to the public did
 
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rob9872

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  • Mar 18, 2022
  • #3,469
JAM See said:
If he does make it to Ukraine, it wouldn't be the first time the twat has made an ill advised decision to leave the EU
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He actually was on the side of remain which is why his tenure as PM had to come to an end.
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 19, 2022
  • #3,470
Otis said:
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What the hell is wrong with these people? His personal friend and his idol?

A man who suppresses his own people, who rigs elections so he can't lose, who arrests those for even silent protest, who has his opponents either killed or imprisoned, who breaks international law and uses banned weapons and who deliberately targets civilians in times of war?

That personal friend and idol?

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Duterte is an absolute crackpot. Some of the stuff he's said and done is absolutely mental.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 19, 2022
  • #3,471
Grendel said:
he didn’t choose to the public did
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It was him that thought it was a good idea to ask - stupid stupid non leader
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 19, 2022
  • #3,472
Grendel said:
he didn’t choose to the Kremlin did
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 19, 2022
  • #3,473
Watching world war 2 in colour

Lots of similarities and major differences.

The support of the Ukraine army being one and the bravery of their army and population another
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2022
  • #3,474
Sky Blue Pete said:
Watching world war 2 in colour

Lots of similarities and major differences.

The support of the Ukraine army being one and the bravery of their army and population another
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The "Greatest" Events one on Netflix?
Very good series. The penultimate episode at Buchenwald is horrifying.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 19, 2022
  • #3,475
Frostie said:
The "Greatest" Events one on Netflix?
Very good series. The penultimate episode at Buchenwald is horrifying.
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What’s it called? In isolation and feeling rotten so time on my hands
 

Frostie

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  • Mar 19, 2022
  • #3,476
Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s it called? In isolation and feeling rotten so time on my hands
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Ah, sorry to hear that mate, hope you're better soon.

This is the one I've seen:

Watch Greatest Events of WWII in Colour | Netflix

From the attack on Pearl Harbor to D-Day, the most pivotal events of World War II come to life in this vivid docuseries featuring colorized footage.
www.netflix.com

There's another I've not seen yet:

Watch WWII in Color: Road to Victory | Netflix Official Site

Gripping historical footage and expert commentary give detailed insights into the leading figures and decisive turning points of World War II.
www.netflix.com
 
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Macca

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  • Mar 19, 2022
  • #3,477
China, North Korea and Islamic Extremists sitting back chilling and smoking a cigar watching this
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 19, 2022
  • #3,478

Ukraine Confirms Fifth Russian General Has Been Killed

Photo Illustration by Luis G. Rendon/The Daily Beast/TwitterThe Ukrainian military claimed to have killed yet another Russian general, this time Lieutenant-General Andrei Mordvichev, making him the fifth to die so far in the conflict. Mordvichev, who led the 8th General Army of the Southern...
uk.yahoo.com
 

Finham

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,479
Frostie said:
The "Greatest" Events one on Netflix?
Very good series. The penultimate episode at Buchenwald is horrifying.
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I want to watch it but the "colourised" footage is putting me off-is there a lot of it? I always get bugged by having seen some of the footage before in B&W and imagined it looking totally different to them in colour, resulting in me shouting "they don't know!" and my partner telling me to calm down and be quiet.
 
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stupot07

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,480
[Ukraine crisis: claims Mariupol women and children forcibly sent to Russia]



Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,481
stupot07 said:
[Ukraine crisis: claims Mariupol women and children forcibly sent to Russia]



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Awful
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,482
The inhumanity in war is just awful. The Dresden programme shows just what war does to people. Dresden was an awful war crime but we won so no one was punished
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,483
Sky Blue Pete said:
The inhumanity in war is just awful. The Dresden programme shows just what war does to people. Dresden was an awful war crime but we won so no one was punished
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The debate becomes it was ok because they murdered hundreds of thousands in the camps after. Well uh no it wasn’t ok it was an act of inhumanity
 

tisza

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,484
Sky Blue Pete said:
an awful war crime but we won so no one was punished
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Pretty much Putin's strategy at the moment
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,485
Sky Blue Pete said:
The debate becomes it was ok because they murdered hundreds of thousands in the camps after. Well uh no it wasn’t ok it was an act of inhumanity
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Having said that you are right the buechenwald episode is beyond comprehension that a great Christian civilised nation can be turned into the most evil group of bastards shows what humans are capable of. Kindness might be the most revolutionary activity humans will ever know

44000 camps ffs
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,486
Sky Blue Pete said:
The inhumanity in war is just awful. The Dresden programme shows just what war does to people. Dresden was an awful war crime but we won so no one was punished
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And Franfurt amongst beautiful cities.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,487
Flying Fokker said:
And Franfurt amongst beautiful cities.
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Us bombing of Japan! Oh my

And I’m pretty certain morally the atomic bombing was as wrong as the holocaust
 
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Frostie

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,488
Finham said:
I want to watch it but the "colourised" footage is putting me off-is there a lot of it? I always get bugged by having seen some of the footage before in B&W and imagined it looking totally different to them in colour, resulting in me shouting "they don't know!" and my partner telling me to calm down and be quiet.
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Ha ha. Yes, lots of colour.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,489
Sky Blue Pete said:
And I’m pretty certain morally the atomic bombing was as wrong as the holocaust
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I honestly don’t know how you would argue this. At least there was a utilitarian argument to justify the atomic bombings.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,490
SBT said:
I honestly don’t know how you would argue this. At least there was a utilitarian argument to justify the atomic bombings.
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Nagasaki was unnecessary and only possible as Americans felt the Japanese were less than them as a race I mean. What was the utilitarian argument ?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,491
Sky Blue Pete said:
Nagasaki was unnecessary and only possible as Americans felt the Japanese were less than them as a race I mean. What was the utilitarian argument ?
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its a really stupid argument to make
 
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xcraigx

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,492
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,493
Grendel said:
its a really stupid argument to make
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Many are. What is it in any case? I just think having seen it again that USA wouldn’t have dreamt of doing what they did to the Japanese to the Germans and it was probably down to them thinking of them as somehow subhuman. I’m also pretty convinced now that any nation is capable of any and all measures of evil. War is just shit
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,494
Sky Blue Pete said:
Many are. What is it in any case? I just think having seen it again that USA wouldn’t have dreamt of doing what they did to the Japanese to the Germans and it was probably down to them thinking of them as somehow subhuman. I’m also pretty convinced now that any nation is capable of any and all measures of evil. War is just shit
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you really aren’t very clued up on WW2 are you. Even that dribbling converted leftie Matthew Paris oddly in an article in The Times yesterday said the nuclear bombs were necessary and ultimately justified by what came from the consequence. He was comparing it to Putin which I found a bit odd but I guess he was making a point about a future if Russia gets defeated
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,495
Sky Blue Pete said:
Nagasaki was unnecessary and only possible as Americans felt the Japanese were less than them as a race I mean. What was the utilitarian argument ?
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The argument - which I’m not even arguing myself here, nor do you have to agree with it - is that the atomic bombs forced a Japanese surrender, which prevented a much more deadly and protracted conflict.

As horrendous as the atomic bombings were, at least they were done for strategic military reasons, which can’t be said for the Holocaust. The only real strategy there was to eradicate a race of people.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,496
Grendel said:
you really aren’t very clued up on WW2 are you. Even that dribbling converted leftie Matthew Paris oddly in an article in The Times yesterday said the nuclear bombs were necessary and ultimately justified by what came from the consequence. He was comparing it to Putin which I found a bit odd but I guess he was making a point about a future if Russia gets defeated
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Maybe that argument can be made for the first bomb. Once that goes off Japan would have surrendered anyway. The second was overkill.

Also, as has been pointed out, it all depends on the victors. Let's say the Japanese/Germans etc had rallied and won the war - do you not think the Amercian's would've been in front of a war crimes trial? Or would it then have been justified for America dropping even more nuclear bombs? If Japan ever became the dominant force in world politics you can bet they'd be calling for them to be classified historically as war crimes.

Let's get really hypothetical and say Russia and Putin went on to not only win this war but go on to gain absolute control. Who will they be putting in the dock as the 'bad guys'? Now let's say Russia gets trounced - Putin could be tried as a war criminal. China should be in court of more human rights violations that could in some cases be called genocide, but are far more likely in the future to be the ones having huge influence over the direction of 'human rights'.

The overriding factor about the perception of the nuclear bombs was who won.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,497
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Maybe that argument can be made for the first bomb. Once that goes off Japan would have surrendered anyway. The second was overkill.

Also, as has been pointed out, it all depends on the victors. Let's say the Japanese/Germans etc had rallied and won the war - do you not think the Amercian's would've been in front of a war crimes trial? Or would it then have been justified for America dropping even more nuclear bombs? If Japan ever became the dominant force in world politics you can bet they'd be calling for them to be classified historically as war crimes.

Let's get really hypothetical and say Russia and Putin went on to not only win this war but go on to gain absolute control. Who will they be putting in the dock as the 'bad guys'? Now let's say Russia gets trounced - Putin could be tried as a war criminal. China should be in court of more human rights violations that could in some cases be called genocide, but are far more likely in the future to be the ones having huge influence over the direction of 'human rights'.

The overriding factor about the perception of the nuclear bombs was who won.
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That’s what I think too. Not only is history written by the victor but so is the morality of how the fight was fought
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,498
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Maybe that argument can be made for the first bomb. Once that goes off Japan would have surrendered anyway. The second was overkill.

Also, as has been pointed out, it all depends on the victors. Let's say the Japanese/Germans etc had rallied and won the war - do you not think the Amercian's would've been in front of a war crimes trial? Or would it then have been justified for America dropping even more nuclear bombs? If Japan ever became the dominant force in world politics you can bet they'd be calling for them to be classified historically as war crimes.

Let's get really hypothetical and say Russia and Putin went on to not only win this war but go on to gain absolute control. Who will they be putting in the dock as the 'bad guys'? Now let's say Russia gets trounced - Putin could be tried as a war criminal. China should be in court of more human rights violations that could in some cases be called genocide, but are far more likely in the future to be the ones having huge influence over the direction of 'human rights'.

The overriding factor about the perception of the nuclear bombs was who won.
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do you honestly believe this tripe? Why do you even type it only Pete seems to read it
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,499
Grendel said:
do you honestly believe this tripe? Why do you even type it only Pete seems to read it
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out of interest Pete as you find it amusing would you agree the Japanese culture and behaviour in the war was the very definition of sub human
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 20, 2022
  • #3,500
Grendel said:
out of interest Pete as you find it amusing would you agree the Japanese culture and behaviour in the war was the very definition of sub human
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Describing Japanese culture as “sub human” sounds……pretty racist to me?
 
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